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What's going to happen in Iraq now that all

By HAL 9000 Moderator ·
The aid agencies have withdrawn?

So far most of the people have been on the side of the "Liberators" as we see them but we now have the problem of no international aid agencies being left in Iraq and there is nothing like hunger to drive people into action.

Till now there has only been a minority of people who have been actively campaining against our forces but then there where a lot of aid agencies in the country handing out food and other aid but with these organisations coming under direct attack and withdrawing, it at the very least is going to make things harder for our troops who are serving in the area.

They will now have to take on the role of aid workers, police, troops protecting the general population, and whatever else is necessary most of which they where never trained for. This is a major problem as we are constantly asking our troops to perform things that they have never been trained for. Right now the element who has still been fighting seems to becoming more organised and with their cowardly attacks on "soft targets" like the aid agencies they have now placed our troops in a position that isn't all that great.

Currentlt there is a lack of troops to protect these agencies and there certianly are not the troop numbers there to take over the job that these agencies where performing. Until the infrastructure is rebuilt and kept working there are going to be major problems in Iraq with the general population becoming more disenfranchised every day and eventually if things continue along this path they will be forced out of hunger to raise up and throw out the people who where sent in there to help them.

This is a very important lesson that we should have learnt from WW11 where invading most of Europe was realitively easy for the Germans but they had to tie up more and more of their front line troops just to keep the peace in the ocpuied lands.

They failed miseriable and this is something that I for one don't want to see happen to our boys & girls in Iraq. They already have a hard enough job to do and this is only going to make things harder for them.

So any ideas of how we can help to improve the situation in Iraq so it doesn't **** up into an all out war again soon?

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I've got it

by Oz_Media In reply to What's going to happen in ...

The USA needs to speak with other countries such as Germany, France, Canada and Australia and try to reach some sort of uh.....Alliance. this Alliance, we'll call it Allied forces for now, would enable the US military to enter a war or conflict such as this as a united force. By all working together tha objectives should be easy enough to achieve! Now I know it a bit far fetched to think that you can "partner" with like minded countries against terrorists bt you never know. 'Allied Forces', it's got a ring to it, I wonder if it will stick?

As for being hungry, the Iraqis are used to it. The USA took so long to 'inspect' imports to Iraq that the people never saw squat for a very long time, another reason they and Saddam were so pissed at the USA.

I still like the idea of an "Allied Invasion" though I think it has definite potential, the only thing I could see screwing it up is if one country went against the wishes of the 'Allied forces', this would result in an unprepared and poorly equipped invasion without any financial or economic supoprt. I can't see anyone REALLY being dumb enough to do that though it wouldn't make sense, but you never know.

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How about NATO?

by LesDabney67 In reply to I've got it

Or...I don't know...the UN. Oh, wait...never mind...

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Winning Hearts and Minds

by road-dog In reply to What's going to happen in ...

There is an upside to the situation, that being that the minority that has chased off the relief agencies will be blamed for the hardships caused by it.

I've read interviews where Iraqis blame the UN, Germany, and France for failure to act against Saddam. The Sunni minority is less than 1/5 of the Iraqi population. I would expect that the Shiites will clean house in Tikrit and the Sunni areas of Baghdad where these attacks originate before acting against the US in a big way.

Don't overestimate these attacks. They are fewer by half since the US began hitting back harder. Medical supplies and food will flow. Every relief column attacked by the Baathists will only harden the general population against them.


Remember that most of the country hates Saddam in a big way, the US pulling out is an invitation to have him back in power....

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Recent reports

by Oz_Media In reply to Winning Hearts and Minds

Also state that MANY Iraqis who wer once FOR the US occupation are quickly turning against it as more and more innocent casualties of war are shown each day. these people are extremely mad by teh US's actions and feel that the US soldiers are not the ever so powerful team of highly trained soldiers they are said to be. Many have died unwarranted deaths, not just cross fire or being in the wrong place at the wrong time but in a cowboy's and indians fashion. They say that many US troops are starting to buckle due to the impromptu car bombings and killngs of thier comrades and as a result are being quite hasty and unwarranted in thier retaliation on innocents.

With more and more Iraqi citizens who were once for the US now turning AGAINST the US, I fear that you conclusion is premature. this isn't based on WHAT happened or how peolpe USED to feel, it is a new feeling by the Iraqi citizens based on what HAS been done so far and what IS happening now. This isn't the pretty cleanup that america had assured Iraq it would be.

It's a HUGE mess of a conflict with no end in sight, even though C. Powell stated it would take no more than 6 months at most.

I don't know what you've seen lately bt from my perspective, there has been little or no improvement to the way of life for these people who you apparently went to liberate. they don't believe it and neither do I. Actions speak louder than words unfortunately for GWB.

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Heh, I couldn't resist

by Garion11 In reply to Recent reports

"Also state that MANY Iraqis who wer once FOR the US occupation are quickly turning against it as more and more innocent casualties of war are shown each day. these people are extremely mad by teh US's actions and feel that the US soldiers are not the ever so powerful team of highly trained soldiers they are said to be. Many have died unwarranted deaths, not just cross fire or being in the wrong place at the wrong time but in a cowboy's and indians fashion. They say that many US troops are starting to buckle due to the impromptu car bombings and killngs of thier comrades and as a result are being quite hasty and unwarranted in thier retaliation on innocents."


"I don't know what you've seen lately bt from my perspective, there has been little or no improvement to the way of life for these people who you apparently went to liberate."

Umm..yeah... so like do you have proof of that above statement or is this more insane babble?

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uh, yeah

by Oz_Media In reply to Heh, I couldn't resist

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MY OWN
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"well gee wiz...
...then what would be the point of me answering any questions since you expect my age no less to be of false information?"

And yet you expect to be listened to , understood, agreed with, repected and given credibility.

"CIO/CTO" "gee whiz" "Like" "buahahahahahaha"

Right.

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Exactly

by Garion11 In reply to uh, yeah

You don't believe my profile, why would you believe anything else?

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And who said

by Garion11 In reply to uh, yeah

anyting about "listened to , understood, agreed with, repected and given credibility."? Stop assuming stuff junior and just answer one of the many questions I asked.

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Not an assumption

by Oz_Media In reply to And who said

I don't assume your character, that is impossible on the Internet. You could be a 13 year old girl for all I know. What you can do though is get a fair estimate of someone's thought process. You have shown yourself to be uninterested in the topic of discussion at all and simply want to disagree. Now even if you gave YOUR reason for feeling that way, it would be OK. Instead you just expect me to defend a statement without knowing what or why I'm defending it.

Ex.1)
BILLY) The world is flat.
WILLY) what are you taking about you idiot, hahahahhahaha! The world's not FLAT!

Exampls 2)
BILLY) The world is flat.
WILLY) No it isn't. I have a globe and it's round. Here's a picture of Earth from outer space.

Get it?

In the firat example, Billy said something that Willy didn't agree with. Willy just laughed at Billy and called silly. I don't think Billy was convinced that the world is round, he just thinks Willy is silly too.

Willy wasn't very good at expressing his opinions was he!

In example 2) Billy said to Willy that the world was flat. Willy told Billy that he was silly, the world was round and then told him about his globe while showing Billy a picture from OUTERSPACE!

Now I think Willy did a good job of expressing his opinion and Billy is much smarter now that he knows the world is ROUND after all!

So are you Silly Willy or SMART BILLY or what?

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Scenario3

by Garion11 In reply to Not an assumption

"Exampls 2)
BILLY) The world is flat.
WILLY) No it isn't. I have a globe and it's round. Here's a picture of Earth from outer space"

But Billy says) 'I think you need to brush you r teeth for bedtime now, mom will come and read you a story soon.' 'Get your head out of your *** and open your eyes.'

and Billy continues) uh, yeah
N/a N/a
Executive IS/IT Management (CIO, CTO)
MY OWN
NJ


"well gee wiz...
...then what would be the point of me answering any questions since you expect my age no less to be of false information?"

And yet you expect to be listened to , understood, agreed with, repected and given credibility.

"CIO/CTO" "gee whiz" "Like" "buahahahahahaha"

Right.

Willy says) So is Earth round or Flat?

and Billy continues) If you have SPECIFIC questions you want me to support, please ask.

Willy asks again) So is Earth round or Flat?

and willy is still waiting for a response for all that question and many others he asked in the previous posts. Note to the blind: Its a question if it has >>> ? <<<< that symbol at the end of a sentence.

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