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santeewelding
Our own Tunisian instance of immolation, say, in front of the Lincoln Memorial, or some other abstracted venue?

I'd say, no; Maxwell notwithstanding.

We already are a tumultuous people. We do it as we go.
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    NickNielsen Moderator

    We do it as we go.

    I would expect the next revolution on the first Tuesday of November 2012.

    Preliminary skirmishes coming near you.

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    I considered starting a campaign to "Vote for the guy you've never heard of before", but two thoughts put me off:
    1. We're likely to get worse than we've already got.
    2. Many straight-party voters may already be doing this.

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    Shooting anyone that even remotely looks like a Polly?

    That way at least you are bound to get rid of them all.

    I'm pushing for the Extinctions of all people involved in politics. :0

    Col

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    drowningnotwaving

    Wouldn't the very question of "who is involved in politics?", similarly define he or she who asks?

    Just wondering where to point the gun ...

    :)

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    That the Sport that I'm Developing and will be introduced in the next Olympics. Who's sole aim is to Exterminate Politicians and ideally Drive that Sub Species of **** unErectus to Extinction in any way implies that I'm a Politician.

    The Pollies are like Lawyers not necessary to have and most times downright nasty. They are the ones who cause the Big Messes by doing what is required in the most complicated manner possible and then allowing the Bureaucrats to Administer the System and Save Money.

    As Sir Humphrey said in Yes Minister Well Minister the Queen wants the Business of Government to continue even if there is a change of Government.

    So after we drive the Sub Species Pollinations to extinction and ideally remove them from the Race Memory we can then start to think what will be an acceptable way to get rid of the Bureaucrats.

    Col

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    drowningnotwaving

    First you need a criteria. Then you need a list.

    Make sure your cohorts don't see you make the list, as you instantly meet the criteria!!

    ch-chik - Kaboom !!!!!! {If you hear the gunshot, you're safe ... :) }

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    They never will be missed...

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    drowningnotwaving

    ... have lists.

    I'm also confident that I am on other people's lists as well!

    Only the paranoid survive. I think.

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    AnsuGisalas

    "vote for the WOMAN you've never heard of", but then, you've got that psycho with the mad scientist grin... which makes me think the females of the species [H.Politicus] have caught it too...

    Look, just vote for someone openly gay, then at least you know they have balls. Should be a guaranteed improvement!

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    CharlieSpencer

    "Look, just vote for someone openly gay, then at least you know they have balls."

    Not the lesbians.

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    AnsuGisalas

    Not getting into the whole recreational ball-shaped tools... I was talking figuratively.

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    drowningnotwaving

    a lot of men and lesbians have figurative balls.

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    AnsuGisalas

    I get dizzy.
    I see two completely overlapping images.
    One, a nation of white picket fences, lantern-jawed smiles ear-to-ear, hard workers and fair dealers.
    The other, a nation in constant low-intensity civil war, where the worth of a human life is entirely negotiable, and where the powerful hardly even see whom they step on.

    My prime estimate is, that both images carry some truth.
    One is a tad better than what we have here, the other a tad worse.
    Could be a big tad, for all I know.

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    dogknees

    The white picket fence world never existed. Pretending it did, or that it even should isn't helpful. Impossible goals just build anger and frustration, and a world of identical people with identical thoughts and desires sounds like **** to me.

    I remember a great letter to the editor in Omni magazine in the 80's from a Russian reader (they had just started publishing an edition there) who asked that the editors refrain from including advertisments for expensive western products (Mercedes...) as all they did was raise impossible expectations in their Russian readership.

    This letter comes to mind everytime I see a salesman saying "you can have this...." when it's something the majority of society can never afford. We can't all have a Mercedes/Porsche/... We can't all fly business class. Telling us we can is disingenuous at best and could even be seen as misleading advertising.

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    AnsuGisalas

    what I mean is, I see traces of both. I have met genuinely nice people from the States.
    I do not think these nations really overlayed or coexistent. Both are nonexistent.
    I do not want to let myself buy into all the negative buzz that I know the media makes it's biggest bucks out of.
    I do not trust their self-control.

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    drowningnotwaving

    What would you have?

    Do we apsire to better things, or do we accept mediocrity as a way of life?

    The former may have its own issues - no doubt or argument - but I think the world has seen enough of the latter to conclude its failure as a model.

    Your great letter is, to me, simply an example of that failure.

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    dogknees

    Is everyone incapable of understanding that there are many ways to run our lives other than the two ridiculous extremes postulated?

    It seems to be the case with a lot of the discussions here. No one seems to be capable of taking a middle path. Go figure!

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    drowningnotwaving

    I'd hate to see you "angry or frustrated".

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    AnsuGisalas

    not striving to be ridiculously rich is striving to be "mediocre"?
    Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean.

    Of course, I did not mean, by white picket fences, the ridiculously rich. They tend to have the 8-foot tall cast-iron sort of fence - that is, if they stop short of a 10 foot tall encircling wall.

    The civil war wasn't figurative. You usually call it crime, but it looks to have taken on the nature of general climate.

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    You appear to confuse the aspiration to improve one's circumstances with the expectation of getting that improvement without first having earned it.

    The former is a goal, the latter is an unfortunately all too common attitude in today's world.

    I have a goal to own a <a href=http://www.ruf-automobile.de/en/Roadster.25d90.php>Ruf Roadster</a>. My expectation is that, try as I might, I will never achieve that goal without winning the lottery.

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    dogknees

    My point is that the two worlds presented are extremes. The white picket fence world is one extreme and the constant low-intensity civil war is the other.

    My point is that they are as foolish as each other and that we should be aiming for a middle road.

    It's like capitalism and communism. Neither are workable in their purest forms. The best road is somewhere in the middle. It might well be closer to the capitalist ideal, but it won't be either extreme.
    I'm not sure where you get aspirations and expectations from that.

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    santeewelding

    Owes only to your having bought into the extremes as all there is.

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    His considering them extremes in the first place.

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    santeewelding

    Slip them surly bonds.

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    Michael Jay

    I get dizzier still, your two images are true for sure, but there are many more that make up the whole of America.

    So many different classes of the white picket fence crowd, from the unemployable, to the unwilling to work, to the working poor to the affluent, seems they all want that white picket fence, just seems not all are willing to pay for it themselves.

    Away from the large cities are the rural areas, where agriculture and ranch farming are common, these folks are a proud sort and feed the world, just knowing a few of these people makes me proud to be an American, more helpful and honest people you will not find.

    The constant and unending civil war does seem to encompass all people, we all want better for our lives and mostly for our kids. It seems clear that the government is not our friend in this area, the people in power like their power, influence and money, and they want to keep it, even at the cost of doing the wrong thing for the people.

    Diversity, no two people the same, but all with the same desires, life, liberty and property.

    Is it just an American thing?

    Or do some people desire death, being controlled and having nothing?

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    AV .

    Wasn't the Tucson massacre as extreme as immolation and even worse? If I was a member of Congress, I would seriously be shoring up my security and even the rest of us should take heed.

    How do people get that crazy?

    AV

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    santeewelding

    Because of that large segment who take no heed.

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    generalist

    <p>In Robert Heinlein's 'Future History' the 2012 elections resulted in a backwoods preacher named Nehemiah Scudder becoming president of the United States.</p>
    <p>There were no elections in 2016 because the preacher became a dictator and the First Prophet.</p>
    <p>While it is fiction written seventy years ago, it makes me wonder if that may be the wave of the future.</p>
    <p>If this goes on...</p>

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    We do it as we go.

    I would expect the next revolution on the first Tuesday of November 2012.

    Preliminary skirmishes coming near you.

    ----

    I considered starting a campaign to "Vote for the guy you've never heard of before", but two thoughts put me off:
    1. We're likely to get worse than we've already got.
    2. Many straight-party voters may already be doing this.

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    Shooting anyone that even remotely looks like a Polly?

    That way at least you are bound to get rid of them all.

    I'm pushing for the Extinctions of all people involved in politics. :0

    Col

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    drowningnotwaving

    Wouldn't the very question of "who is involved in politics?", similarly define he or she who asks?

    Just wondering where to point the gun ...

    :)

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    That the Sport that I'm Developing and will be introduced in the next Olympics. Who's sole aim is to Exterminate Politicians and ideally Drive that Sub Species of **** unErectus to Extinction in any way implies that I'm a Politician.

    The Pollies are like Lawyers not necessary to have and most times downright nasty. They are the ones who cause the Big Messes by doing what is required in the most complicated manner possible and then allowing the Bureaucrats to Administer the System and Save Money.

    As Sir Humphrey said in Yes Minister Well Minister the Queen wants the Business of Government to continue even if there is a change of Government.

    So after we drive the Sub Species Pollinations to extinction and ideally remove them from the Race Memory we can then start to think what will be an acceptable way to get rid of the Bureaucrats.

    Col

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    drowningnotwaving

    First you need a criteria. Then you need a list.

    Make sure your cohorts don't see you make the list, as you instantly meet the criteria!!

    ch-chik - Kaboom !!!!!! {If you hear the gunshot, you're safe ... :) }

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    They never will be missed...

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    drowningnotwaving

    ... have lists.

    I'm also confident that I am on other people's lists as well!

    Only the paranoid survive. I think.

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    AnsuGisalas

    "vote for the WOMAN you've never heard of", but then, you've got that psycho with the mad scientist grin... which makes me think the females of the species [H.Politicus] have caught it too...

    Look, just vote for someone openly gay, then at least you know they have balls. Should be a guaranteed improvement!

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    CharlieSpencer

    "Look, just vote for someone openly gay, then at least you know they have balls."

    Not the lesbians.

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    AnsuGisalas

    Not getting into the whole recreational ball-shaped tools... I was talking figuratively.

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    drowningnotwaving

    a lot of men and lesbians have figurative balls.

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    AnsuGisalas

    I get dizzy.
    I see two completely overlapping images.
    One, a nation of white picket fences, lantern-jawed smiles ear-to-ear, hard workers and fair dealers.
    The other, a nation in constant low-intensity civil war, where the worth of a human life is entirely negotiable, and where the powerful hardly even see whom they step on.

    My prime estimate is, that both images carry some truth.
    One is a tad better than what we have here, the other a tad worse.
    Could be a big tad, for all I know.

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    dogknees

    The white picket fence world never existed. Pretending it did, or that it even should isn't helpful. Impossible goals just build anger and frustration, and a world of identical people with identical thoughts and desires sounds like **** to me.

    I remember a great letter to the editor in Omni magazine in the 80's from a Russian reader (they had just started publishing an edition there) who asked that the editors refrain from including advertisments for expensive western products (Mercedes...) as all they did was raise impossible expectations in their Russian readership.

    This letter comes to mind everytime I see a salesman saying "you can have this...." when it's something the majority of society can never afford. We can't all have a Mercedes/Porsche/... We can't all fly business class. Telling us we can is disingenuous at best and could even be seen as misleading advertising.

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    AnsuGisalas

    what I mean is, I see traces of both. I have met genuinely nice people from the States.
    I do not think these nations really overlayed or coexistent. Both are nonexistent.
    I do not want to let myself buy into all the negative buzz that I know the media makes it's biggest bucks out of.
    I do not trust their self-control.

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    drowningnotwaving

    What would you have?

    Do we apsire to better things, or do we accept mediocrity as a way of life?

    The former may have its own issues - no doubt or argument - but I think the world has seen enough of the latter to conclude its failure as a model.

    Your great letter is, to me, simply an example of that failure.

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    dogknees

    Is everyone incapable of understanding that there are many ways to run our lives other than the two ridiculous extremes postulated?

    It seems to be the case with a lot of the discussions here. No one seems to be capable of taking a middle path. Go figure!

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    drowningnotwaving

    I'd hate to see you "angry or frustrated".

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    AnsuGisalas

    not striving to be ridiculously rich is striving to be "mediocre"?
    Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean.

    Of course, I did not mean, by white picket fences, the ridiculously rich. They tend to have the 8-foot tall cast-iron sort of fence - that is, if they stop short of a 10 foot tall encircling wall.

    The civil war wasn't figurative. You usually call it crime, but it looks to have taken on the nature of general climate.

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    You appear to confuse the aspiration to improve one's circumstances with the expectation of getting that improvement without first having earned it.

    The former is a goal, the latter is an unfortunately all too common attitude in today's world.

    I have a goal to own a <a href=http://www.ruf-automobile.de/en/Roadster.25d90.php>Ruf Roadster</a>. My expectation is that, try as I might, I will never achieve that goal without winning the lottery.

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    dogknees

    My point is that the two worlds presented are extremes. The white picket fence world is one extreme and the constant low-intensity civil war is the other.

    My point is that they are as foolish as each other and that we should be aiming for a middle road.

    It's like capitalism and communism. Neither are workable in their purest forms. The best road is somewhere in the middle. It might well be closer to the capitalist ideal, but it won't be either extreme.
    I'm not sure where you get aspirations and expectations from that.

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    santeewelding

    Owes only to your having bought into the extremes as all there is.

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    His considering them extremes in the first place.

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    santeewelding

    Slip them surly bonds.

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    Michael Jay

    I get dizzier still, your two images are true for sure, but there are many more that make up the whole of America.

    So many different classes of the white picket fence crowd, from the unemployable, to the unwilling to work, to the working poor to the affluent, seems they all want that white picket fence, just seems not all are willing to pay for it themselves.

    Away from the large cities are the rural areas, where agriculture and ranch farming are common, these folks are a proud sort and feed the world, just knowing a few of these people makes me proud to be an American, more helpful and honest people you will not find.

    The constant and unending civil war does seem to encompass all people, we all want better for our lives and mostly for our kids. It seems clear that the government is not our friend in this area, the people in power like their power, influence and money, and they want to keep it, even at the cost of doing the wrong thing for the people.

    Diversity, no two people the same, but all with the same desires, life, liberty and property.

    Is it just an American thing?

    Or do some people desire death, being controlled and having nothing?

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    AV .

    Wasn't the Tucson massacre as extreme as immolation and even worse? If I was a member of Congress, I would seriously be shoring up my security and even the rest of us should take heed.

    How do people get that crazy?

    AV

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    santeewelding

    Because of that large segment who take no heed.

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    generalist

    <p>In Robert Heinlein's 'Future History' the 2012 elections resulted in a backwoods preacher named Nehemiah Scudder becoming president of the United States.</p>
    <p>There were no elections in 2016 because the preacher became a dictator and the First Prophet.</p>
    <p>While it is fiction written seventy years ago, it makes me wonder if that may be the wave of the future.</p>
    <p>If this goes on...</p>