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Windows Genuine Advantage is anti piracy or spware you be the judge.

By Dumblogic ·
Is Windows Genuine Advantage is that anti piracy or is just spyware you be the judge. Its not okay for Sony to put a rootkit in your computer but Microsoft can by usine Window Genuine Advantage? Spyware weather you call it by another name is still spying.
Microsoft is not telling you the whole story if you look on the internet you find buches of website that already cracke the code and telling you a different side of the story on what it does. Would you want your computer reporting back to Microsoft what it doing? Techreplubic members what is your take on it.

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Actually the spyware is incidental - WGA is the

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Windows Genuine Advantage ...

front line in the Windows Intel fight to get everyone to accept compulsory Secure Computing whereby your system will NOT be allowed on the network, be it internal or the Internet, unless it is registered as being legal hardware with legal software in the centralised database.

They announced this intent about eight years ago and the hardware and software has been moving down that path since. The use of the CPU and / or the hard drive seriel number in the authentication process was but one phase of this push.

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I agree with you

by verd In reply to Actually the spyware is i ...

I agree with you on this issue

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How enlightening, B1ff.

by nighthawk808 In reply to I agree with you
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You're on the right track.

by nighthawk808 In reply to Actually the spyware is i ...

They may be working the bugs out for when the Windows Live paradigm shift comes, which would need a Trusted Computing Platform first. When most of the "service" comes from a central server, ensuring that Microsoft can correctly identify its paid users becomes even more critical. It's harder to pirate an entire operating system than it is to have a small subset of the code on your PC and then fool the server into giving you "services" you haven't paid for. The entire Genuine Advantage program may be less about ensuring today's profits than it is about locking in tomorrow's. The fact that the program helps them today may be nothing more than a nice side effect for them.

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Don't agree this time

by pkr In reply to Actually the spyware is i ...

"in the Windows Intel fight to get everyone to accept compulsory Secure Computing"

The first issue to solve in secure comouting is not to check wheter software is paid for or not. First issue is to create a secure PC in the first place, that means secure OS and applications.

Unsecure SW, and an unsecure PC on any net, is unsecure whether it is paid for, borrowed, pirated, or free.

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Secure Computing is not about security but profits

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Don't agree this time

For MS and Intel as they force everybody to upgrade all their computer hardware. If you want a secure computing environment and the only way to get is to have a specific set of hardware and software and the system is NOT compatible with anything else, and refuses to accept anything from a non-secure system, then your only option is to buy the new hardware and software. And once committed to it, you have to continue with the updates and upgrades they put out, regardless of the cost.

Now the biggest problem that Wintel (the MS Intel combine) has, is that Secure Computing will not work if the company concerned needs to interact with another company. Modern business means heavy Internet usage for e-commerce, e-communications, exchanging orders, sales, invoices, banking, e-mails over the Internet. Thus the aim to get the Internet Secure Computing stable, thus the need to get all the users buying in to the system.

They have some major issues to overcome here.

1. The Internet is deliberately designed to be an open communications system that will survive extreme infrastructure damage and still oeprate.

2. Most home users use older equipment to access the Internet.

3. Any corporate network can be made totally secure from EXTERNAL attack using existing hardware and software, this has been possible for over a decade. NB Nothing can protect you fully from an Internal attack.

The real questions are how far will users and business allow themselves to be pushed by MS and Intel so that Wintel can sew up their profit base? Will they spend the money to properly establish secure gateways or spend the money on the Wintel option?

Back in the 1990's I worked with a secure gateway that was well designed, included features that stopped intrusions, viruses, and trojans dead in their tracks. The price to be paid was that proprietary program files like .pdf, flash movies, Java pages etc were not visible through the gateway as the anti-virus software could not open, read and verify the code was NOT malicious. So some users complained - the answer they got was "get back to work, no work required web site use that crap." Oh, almost forgot, all e-mail attachments had to be in industry standard open code formats like .txt, .rtf, .jpg etc.

The gateway had full redundancy and everything got scanned twice, by two different styles of software as it transited the gateway. Costly to set up, easy to maintain, and Dept of Defence approved.

The only virii that ever hit their internal network were quickly shutdown and traced to people who brought disks in from infected machines at home.

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this story...

by psychologist In reply to Actually the spyware is i ...

Are you saying that if my Dell HD crashes, and I replace the HD, that I must also by a new XP Pro software package as well or I have broken the law?

Dr. Chevalier
132121@charter.net

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You got to be kidding!

by GovTech In reply to this story...

You bought the license the first time and received a code for the software that you had to register in order to use it. That same number will be called in again when a significant number of changes have been made to your system.
A new hard drive no longer contains the validation code in the registry, so naturally, the OS must be re-registered with Micro$oft.

I change out hard drives often and make a lot of hardware changes that require registration. So far, no problem with the tech support people at Micro$oft.

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MS has quietly changed the licensing policy

by Dragnmstrx In reply to You got to be kidding!

Windows XP was originally launched with the idea that people would change (upgrade) parts of their systems over time. It was determined that if you changed 4 items in your system (6 if you had a network card installed) it would then need to be reactivated. They eventually made it where this applied in a 120 day period, since some people complained about testing equipment, etc.

More recently, however, I found out this had changed at an MS event. The MS rep said that they now say once you activated the copy of Windows, it is now bound to that motherboard forever. If the board proves defective, it may allow a second activation, but only (during the warranty)if it is replaced by the OEM that installed it. The big names all have corporate keys, so that does not matter to them to put a fresh copy on, but the little guys may not have any option but to "eat the cost," if MS will not. Seems unfair if someone sells you a motherboard and it fails 3-6 months down the line, you would have to buy a new copy of Windows if you did not buy it with the board.

This is bad for small OEMs, businesses, and consumers who like to build their own equipment to their own specs. Now, everytime you upgrade your motherboard, you have a new system, requiring a new copy of the same Windows you had previously. It doesn't matter that the old motherboard will never be used again (or that you would put Win 98 on it, then give it to your grandmother for email) They want a new license for the "new" computer you just assembled.

We were told by the rep that this allows us (system builders) the chance to sell another license, and what did anyone expect when they were already paying half the price of the retail version. (That $150 piece of cardboard)
I am an Action Pack subscriber, and this was never mentioned to me, but I was wondering why MS would not (flat out told me NO) activate my software.

They originally said that the AP software was for testing and evaluation in your business. While I did install on some systems to use, I kept some of the licenses for testing on various systems, which I changed. Now I found that I have licenses bound to what is now old hardware, that I can't use on newer platforms to see if they are viable alternatives. They did not even send me new keys to use when I renewed my subscription earlier this year, just took the same $300 they did last year. They also dropped the $100 discount for renewals.

Obviously I am not happy with MS, but why alienate the people you need to evangelize your software? Between this and the WGA fiasco, who really wants to have a Windows PC if they have to jump through hoops to maintain it? Rumor is that this only applies to people who buy OEM copies, not retail. Since I do not know anyone who actually owns a retail copy of the full version of XP Pro, I can't confirm this. Anyone out there know for sure?

WGA is just plain spyware MS forced down users throats. This was not a critical update that should be installed ASAP, it was a piece of software that if given the choice, most users would not install. This would mean that MS would not have had as large a "beta test pool" to work with before rolling it out as mandatory. It did nothing to repair a flaw in the OS, it just phones home everyday (or 14 days, now) to say, "Yes, everything is fine here, no piracy detected." It records your IP address, so with the push by the government to have ISPs track users IPs for months to years, it would not be difficult for MS to come back on someone now (or later) for "piracy" violations. If MS would do this, how much longer before they just decide to force down a patch to give them all the info of a user or system? Could this already be something being implemented in Vista? Sounds like paranoia, but could it happen before anyone found out? Do not forget what they did to DR-DOS years ago. Where do we as a community draw the line and say enough? Could it be time to have the world move to Linux? Stay tuned for the next exciting chapter.

OK, I will get off the soapbox now to allow others to agree or disagree at their whim. I'll just get an icy cold one and see what anyone else has to say. Thanks for letting me vent :)

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Don't take their word for it check with the consumer law

by Deadly Ernest In reply to MS has quietly changed th ...

people for your jurisdiction. Under the law here, NSW Australia, I have a copy of MS Win XP I can lawfully put it on any machine I damn well please as long as I have it on only one machine at a time. If they refuse to activate then they have to prive that I'm running it on more than one machine and take me to court or end up paying big fines under the consumer laws.

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