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    • #2433263

      Not everyone in Slat Lake is a Mormon, and even some Mormons are more

      by deadly ernest ·

      In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…

      in love with their party than other church members. Religion is NOT enough to vote for someone if that’s the only factor you’re using. yet many feel the party they stand for is sufficient by itself.

    • #2433231

      Pseudoliberal media

      by john.a.wills ·

      In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…

      is probably all we need to explain this. Just reading the article through suggests imbalance in the author. Of course, there are many things seriously amiss with Romney, but there are even more important things amiss with Obama. If one tries to measure the many and the important with the same metric one is ultimately left with mere gut feelings. I suggested in another thread how one should proceed, so I will not repeat the description of my metric here.

      • #2433215

        Nobody has ever been able to explain to me how…

        by ansugisalas ·

        In reply to Pseudoliberal media

        just how the mainstream, centrist, pro-status-quo media of the US, with all its economic incentives clearly pulling it towards centrist defense of the status quo… just how that media could possibly be liberal.

        I’ve heard it repeated many times, of course. But no explanation has ever been given to me on how it could possibly be true.

    • #2433221

      Most people here in Massachusetts do not support Mitt either.

      by jjfitz ·

      In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…

      In 2006, while governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney spent 212 days outside of the state.
      If he becomes president, I wonder which country he will be spending most of his time in?

    • #2433220

      Huh?

      by charliespencer ·

      In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…

      You assume people automatically support a candidate because they have a religion in common.

      • #2433216

        The article doesn’t focus on religion…

        by ansugisalas ·

        In reply to Huh?

        Mittens is well-liked in that area for saving the Olympics, among other things…
        And still they think he’s too Harvey Dent…

        • #2433214

          Not everyone in Salt Lake City likes him

          by jjfitz ·

          In reply to The article doesn’t focus on religion…

          I have been to Salt Lake City many times. Believe me, not everyone there likes what he did to “fix” the Olympics.

    • #2433194

      And not….

      by jp85257 ·

      In reply to You know… when people from Salt Lake City endorse Obama…

      every person in Kenya is supporting Obama. What’s your point?

      • #2434582

        The point is

        by jjfitz ·

        In reply to And not….

        Kenyans can’t vote for an American president.

        • #2434573

          But it appears they can be one -nt

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to The point is

          nt

        • #2434542

          Wow. Not you too? (nt)

          by jjfitz ·

          In reply to But it appears they can be one -nt

          nt

        • #2434525

          His father was Kenyan, so he is by derivation -nt

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Wow. Not you too? (nt)

          nt

        • #2434493

          You’re referring to ethnicity, not nationality, right? No text.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to His father was Kenyan, so he is by derivation -nt

          .

        • #2434547

          If..

          by jp85257 ·

          In reply to The point is

          they’re Democrats they can. Heck, they can even vote for Obama after they’ve died.

        • #2434541

          I hope you really don’t believe that. (nt)

          by jjfitz ·

          In reply to If..

          nt

        • #2434524

          why not, many US politicians freely admit the graveyard votes well -nt

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to I hope you really don’t believe that. (nt)

          nt

        • #2434518

          Maybe that’s why Texas

          by john.a.wills ·

          In reply to why not, many US politicians freely admit the graveyard votes well -nt

          is refusing to let OSCE monitors inspect its election process. I read about this yesterday in a news wire report attached to yahoo.nl, but it doesn’t seem to be in today’s SF Chronicle, despite the chance of mocking Texan quasiconservatives as the chauvinists or cheaters they surely are.

        • #2434508

          Hey, the Democrats in Texas have a history of turning out more votes in

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Maybe that’s why Texas

          some counties in some elections than there are registered voters in the county. Makes you wonder which counties the Republicans do that in or do they just take mroe care to hide it.

        • #2434437

          You just have to …

          by jp85257 ·

          In reply to I hope you really don’t believe that. (nt)

          research the Governor’s race for Washington state in 2004 or the Al Franken election to know what they’re capable of doing. It happens a lot more than people are willing to admit.

        • #2434538

          Even Lyin’ Ryan doesn’t believe in that!

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to If..

          hahaha

        • #2434537

          Proof, please.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to If..

          After all the time wasted in SC with a voter ID bill, and the money wasted defending it in multiple courts, there are still no documented cases of voter fraud in the state since Reconstruction, and far more cases of legal voters being denied access to the polls. What a waste ‘protecting’ us from something that has occurred less frequently than shark attacks at Myrtle Beach or earthquakes in Charleston.

        • #2434509

          I suspect he’s going back to the research, after the fact, on the 1960

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Proof, please.

          presidential election where a report found that most of the graveyards around Chicago voted Democrat for Kennedy. In a couple of counties in Texas the number of votes counted equalled one and a half times that of the number of registered voters – neat trick.

          One part of the research showed a small 3 bedroom house in Chicago appeared to have 56 voters registered to it – talk abut cramped quarters.

          It was interesting reading about the things that went on. Kennedy was once quoted as saying that in one Senatorial election he won as his people got around to more graveyards than his opponent – it was an accepted practice to vote the graveyard then, and would appear it still is.

        • #2434491

          50 years ago.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to I suspect he’s going back to the research, after the fact, on the 1960

          And my SC state tax dollars aren’t being wasted in IL, TX, or MA.

        • #2434478

          latest evidence is that it still happens, just not so blatant -nt

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to 50 years ago.

          nt

        • #2434435

          latest evidence?

          by jjfitz ·

          In reply to 50 years ago.

          Deadly Ernest,
          Please cite your sources of confirmed cases of voter fraud.
          Then compare your figure to the over 130 million people who voted in the 2008 presidential election.
          Absentee ballot voting by using the names of dead people still on the reigstration rolls is more significant than voter impersonation at the polls yet we hear very little discussion from either major party about that.
          If the government wants to spend money to reduce voter fraud, they should hold up a mirror to themselves and say, “Gee, we should clean up our registration list from readily available information (death records)on a more frequent basis.”

        • #2434429

          JJ the problem is getting enough evidence to be safe from legal action

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to 50 years ago.

          however, here’s something more recent than the 1960s, as asked, of

          votes being made by the deceased on 1993 –
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Stinson

          unstated voting fraud in 1996 with David Thibodaux – Chris John

          Media reports on elections as recent as the US 2008 election have claims of the recently deceased voting from the graveyard via an absentee or postal vote. Also Caging of votes is increasing as well, according to some reports.

        • #2434340

          RE: “safe from legal action”

          by jjfitz ·

          In reply to I suspect he’s going back to the research, after the fact, on the 1960

          So Wikipedia is your best source?
          Did you know that most universities do not allow students to cite Wikipedia? I am sure you know why.
          Please find a reputable source and then report back. I will be happy to read it.
          FYI: Even Wikipedia has a list of hoaxes posted to Wikipedia. 🙂

        • #2434434

          To think that this problem is unique to either party is truly naive. (nt)

          by jjfitz ·

          In reply to If..

          (nt)

        • #2434395

          Please explain….

          by jp85257 ·

          In reply to To think that this problem is unique to either party is truly naive. (nt)

          You start off by saying “I hope you don’t really believe that” and end up saying “to think that this problem is unique to either party is truly naive”.

          So, you don’t believe it’s happening but, if it is, both sides are doing it??

        • #2434341

          I apologize

          by jjfitz ·

          In reply to Please explain….

          for not making myself clear. When I said, “I hope you don’t really believe that”, I was responding to your post “they’re Democrats they can. Heck, they can even vote for Obama after they’ve died.”

          You are implying that [I]only Democrats[/I] commit voter fraud. If you really believe that then you are lost. Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck would be proud of you.

        • #2434328

          Voter fraud is an imaginary problem

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to I apologize

          electoral fraud on the other hand is where republicans really shine.

        • #2434323

          The Republicans have voter fraud all wrong

          by jjfitz ·

          In reply to I apologize

          Republicans have been fighting in various states to institute voter ID legislation for some time now.
          Voter ID’s will only solve a tiny problem of people impersonating other voters. (voting on behalf of someone else)
          In the last presidential election, there were less than 100 recorded cases of voter fraud at the polls and even fewer convictions.
          That is a very small percentage considering that more than 130 million votes were cast. 0.0000077%. So, in my opinion, a voter id law is a solution looking for a problem.
          Absentee ballot fraud (dead people voting) may or may not be a problem but it can be solved with more frequent checks of the register. Compare the register to death records more frequently. It’s a simple solution to a [I]possible[/I] problem with no burden on the voter.

        • #2434303

          Thanks for the clarification

          by jp85257 ·

          In reply to I apologize

          NT

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