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1TB harddrive

Beginner9
Hi all

I have 1TB Internal sata hard disk. I bought it from my back home which was working fine. This internal 1TB harddrive was formatted using XP and used as a slave.

No clues in Device Manager / Disk Management / Add hardware. If it is a problem with OS or compatability it should atleast detect in BIOS.

I assembled a new System and everyting is working fine except this 1TB Internal sata hard drive.

I changed sata cables, power supply and I even tried it on my friends i7 computer but still this 1TB Sata is not detecting. I checked BIOS aswell .

Every other hard drive/cables/ power supply works fine in my friends i7 computer and my computer.

This TB is not detected so can any one suggest me what to do please.

(if you dont know please dont give stupid answers like take it to computer shop/ throw it bla bla bla ......)

Thank you
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    OldER Mycroft

    http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=326547&messageID=3252015&tag=main;wideContent

    Just because you don't like the answers you got, doesn't mean if you ask again you'll get any better ones. :^0

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    Beginner9

    hey OldER Mycroft

    I am CCNP, CCSP and Msc in computers but still I consider I know a little and there are very talented people out there who can help.

    I am trying to find some help in this website But I face most Idoits like you who think the sun shines out of their ***.

    I posted again because someone somewhere knows the answer

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    OldER Mycroft

    It doesn't detract from the fact that your CCNP, CCSP and Msc in computers didn't prevent you from creating 6 partitions on a 500GB Seagate, install a triple boot of XP~Vista~W7, then decide to delete 2 partitions and end up losing 4.

    http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=323949&start=0&tag=content;leftCol

    Whichever one (or more) of your bits of paper didn't cover installing W7 onto a fresh unpopulated hard drive FIRST, is probably also responsible for your blinkered approach when faced with a hard drive that has passed on.

    A dead hard drive is still a dead hard drive, no matter how many pieces of useless paper you happen to have.


    Edit for link.

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    Beginner9

    Dear OldER Mycroft

    I give up The sun really shines out of your ***.
    =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

    hey god please keep this idiot away from humans

    I personally request the tech republic to get the idiots out of this site.

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    Slayer_

    If not, its probably dead.

    You can always try a different computer.

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    yes

    Beginner9

    Thanks

    I can hear the disk spinning. the harddrive gets hot after some time and the cables are fine.

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    CG IT

    computer?

    BTW change the jumper back to master. While probably doesn't make a difference, SATA controllers are not like IDE controllers where you have 2 drives on the same cable thus need master and slave.

    IF the drive doesn't show up in computer management, the BIOS isn't reporting it to the O/S.

    If the drive isn't being detected it's possible the drive is bad... it happens.

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    jfuller05

    If it has an operating system on the hdd then it will only be detected by that computer which the os was installed on. I ran into a similar problem, back in the day, I was going to use a hdd(with XP installed) on a different computer, but the hdd couldn't be detected! I finally realized that OS installed hdds will only work on the specific computer that installed the os on the drive.
    Maybe that is the problem your having? I could be wrong.

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    TheChas

    If the hard drive spins up, you know it is getting power and may even pass it's internal POST.

    The next thing to do is inspect the pins on the Data connector under magnification. Perhaps one of the contacts was damaged when you disconnected the drive from the old system, or from the first data cable you used on the new system.

    One other off the wall possibility, is the SATA 1 jumper in place? If your old system only supported SATA 1 transfer speeds and you set the jumper for that, it is remotely possible that the new system with SATA 2 support cannot work with a single drive set to SATA 1 transfer rates.

    Chas

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    Beginner9

    Hi

    The data cable is fine and the pins on the drive is fine. do not have any jumper so I Place the jumpers in different place and tried but still no use. I tried in different motherboards including i7 Motherboard.

    Thank you

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    ThumbsUp2

    You said: "do not have any jumper so I Place the jumpers in different place and tried but still no use."

    If the drive has no jumpers, what jumpers did you place?

    We can go round and round like this all day without finding a solution for you. How about telling us the specific make/model of BOTH the drive AND the motherboard you're connecting it to. Perhaps we can find the owner's manuals for them and we might even get lucky enough to see a diagram or two.

    A photograph of the connection end of the drive might even help.

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    OldER Mycroft

    This bloke's got THREE bits of paper!

    How dare you suggest that he doesn't understand.

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    jfuller05

    in which something we've all mentioned is the correct answer, but it's being overlooked, perhaps? I still think the hdd has an OS installed on it; I could be wrong though... :)

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    exhitechhobo

    This kind of crap gets nowhere - except for tiring people who might be able to help from reading through 10,000 BS posts to see what has actually already been tried...

    Why don't you go fishing...unless you're too busy arguing with others about how to bait the hook - and leave the rest of us who might want to actually try to help out to offer advice here..??

    Don't get me wrong - there's a lot of truth - in my opinion - in what you are getting at about "paper tigers" - I was Cisco router support and much more for IBM without the first piece of paper, based solely on years of real experience instead of the ability to pass a standardized test - and feel experience to be of MUCH more value - but the p!ssing contest you seem intent on perpetuating here is doing no one any good - and the whole point here is supposed to be to help one another resolve REAL problems - not useless debates instead of answers...

    Have a great day - and hopefully enjoy your retirement...

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    exhitechhobo

    A few thoughts...

    During 25+ years in the industry - I've seen drives that could ONLY work as a slave - didn't even try to figure out why once that was established..but would assume something wrong with a portion of the drive hardware that was ONLY used when the drive was configured as the master...

    Beginning with XP - "Microsloth" started experimenting with a lockdown match to the hardware the OS was installed onto - a very sloppy overkill method to use the computer hardware to stop piracy of their precious OS - you might try wiping the drive clean and seeing if the new machine could recognize the drive once the original install of XP was removed from the drive..??

    Also a possibility that it could be an incompatibility between the BIOS level of the new machine and backwards compatibility to SATA 1 hard disks - or the firmware of the hard drive itself not being compatible with the newer motherboard/controller/machine - although any manufacturer should be shot for not allowing backwards compatibility for at LEAST the last couple of generations of hardware...Perhaps a BIOS upgrade might aid in getting the new hardware to recognize the older drive..?? Or a firmware upgrade to the drive itself might allow the newer hardware to recognize the older drive...Again, makes NO SENSE - but a quarter century of hardware engineer experience has proven that not all vendors remember to consider older hardware when designing their "latest and greatest"... And it certainly would not be unheard of to need to upgrade the firmware on older hardware to allow compatibility with a newer generation of hardware...

    Guessing about jumper configurations is a needle in a haystack approach that is only successful if one gets extremely lucky - the earlier post about doing a Google (or whatever)search for the specific manufacturer/model numbers of the hard drive AND motherboard in question should provide you with links to the manufacturers websites - or other sources - that would provide the tech specs and manuals for both - and perhaps your answer would most likely lie in the documentation found by such a step.

    Let me know if these tips are of no help...and I'll try to help you find an answer beyond those "expert" tips provided by the other old fart posting here - who apparently is interested in nothing beyond attempting to aggravate you and your quest for a resolution...

    And, unfortunately - it IS always possible that there simply IS no answer...the drive could have been zapped in the move somehow.. any number of possibilities there... :-(

    Feel free to contact me at ron_ruble@yahoo.com - be sure to include reference to this thread and your specific problem in the subject line - as my offers to others such as this have obviously earned me large amounts of spam/junk/useless mails to my address from others like Mycroft who don't appreciate others speaking the truth about their helpful posts...and delight in seeing that I'm added to every spam list they can find... ;-)

    Best of luck in your quest...

    Ron

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    OldER Mycroft

    http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=326547&messageID=3252015&tag=main;wideContent

    Just because you don't like the answers you got, doesn't mean if you ask again you'll get any better ones. :^0

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    Beginner9

    hey OldER Mycroft

    I am CCNP, CCSP and Msc in computers but still I consider I know a little and there are very talented people out there who can help.

    I am trying to find some help in this website But I face most Idoits like you who think the sun shines out of their ***.

    I posted again because someone somewhere knows the answer

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    OldER Mycroft

    It doesn't detract from the fact that your CCNP, CCSP and Msc in computers didn't prevent you from creating 6 partitions on a 500GB Seagate, install a triple boot of XP~Vista~W7, then decide to delete 2 partitions and end up losing 4.

    http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=323949&start=0&tag=content;leftCol

    Whichever one (or more) of your bits of paper didn't cover installing W7 onto a fresh unpopulated hard drive FIRST, is probably also responsible for your blinkered approach when faced with a hard drive that has passed on.

    A dead hard drive is still a dead hard drive, no matter how many pieces of useless paper you happen to have.


    Edit for link.

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    Beginner9

    Dear OldER Mycroft

    I give up The sun really shines out of your ***.
    =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

    hey god please keep this idiot away from humans

    I personally request the tech republic to get the idiots out of this site.

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    Slayer_

    If not, its probably dead.

    You can always try a different computer.

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    yes

    Beginner9

    Thanks

    I can hear the disk spinning. the harddrive gets hot after some time and the cables are fine.

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    CG IT

    computer?

    BTW change the jumper back to master. While probably doesn't make a difference, SATA controllers are not like IDE controllers where you have 2 drives on the same cable thus need master and slave.

    IF the drive doesn't show up in computer management, the BIOS isn't reporting it to the O/S.

    If the drive isn't being detected it's possible the drive is bad... it happens.

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    jfuller05

    If it has an operating system on the hdd then it will only be detected by that computer which the os was installed on. I ran into a similar problem, back in the day, I was going to use a hdd(with XP installed) on a different computer, but the hdd couldn't be detected! I finally realized that OS installed hdds will only work on the specific computer that installed the os on the drive.
    Maybe that is the problem your having? I could be wrong.

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    TheChas

    If the hard drive spins up, you know it is getting power and may even pass it's internal POST.

    The next thing to do is inspect the pins on the Data connector under magnification. Perhaps one of the contacts was damaged when you disconnected the drive from the old system, or from the first data cable you used on the new system.

    One other off the wall possibility, is the SATA 1 jumper in place? If your old system only supported SATA 1 transfer speeds and you set the jumper for that, it is remotely possible that the new system with SATA 2 support cannot work with a single drive set to SATA 1 transfer rates.

    Chas

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    Beginner9

    Hi

    The data cable is fine and the pins on the drive is fine. do not have any jumper so I Place the jumpers in different place and tried but still no use. I tried in different motherboards including i7 Motherboard.

    Thank you

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    ThumbsUp2

    You said: "do not have any jumper so I Place the jumpers in different place and tried but still no use."

    If the drive has no jumpers, what jumpers did you place?

    We can go round and round like this all day without finding a solution for you. How about telling us the specific make/model of BOTH the drive AND the motherboard you're connecting it to. Perhaps we can find the owner's manuals for them and we might even get lucky enough to see a diagram or two.

    A photograph of the connection end of the drive might even help.

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    OldER Mycroft

    This bloke's got THREE bits of paper!

    How dare you suggest that he doesn't understand.

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    jfuller05

    in which something we've all mentioned is the correct answer, but it's being overlooked, perhaps? I still think the hdd has an OS installed on it; I could be wrong though... :)

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    exhitechhobo

    This kind of crap gets nowhere - except for tiring people who might be able to help from reading through 10,000 BS posts to see what has actually already been tried...

    Why don't you go fishing...unless you're too busy arguing with others about how to bait the hook - and leave the rest of us who might want to actually try to help out to offer advice here..??

    Don't get me wrong - there's a lot of truth - in my opinion - in what you are getting at about "paper tigers" - I was Cisco router support and much more for IBM without the first piece of paper, based solely on years of real experience instead of the ability to pass a standardized test - and feel experience to be of MUCH more value - but the p!ssing contest you seem intent on perpetuating here is doing no one any good - and the whole point here is supposed to be to help one another resolve REAL problems - not useless debates instead of answers...

    Have a great day - and hopefully enjoy your retirement...

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    exhitechhobo

    A few thoughts...

    During 25+ years in the industry - I've seen drives that could ONLY work as a slave - didn't even try to figure out why once that was established..but would assume something wrong with a portion of the drive hardware that was ONLY used when the drive was configured as the master...

    Beginning with XP - "Microsloth" started experimenting with a lockdown match to the hardware the OS was installed onto - a very sloppy overkill method to use the computer hardware to stop piracy of their precious OS - you might try wiping the drive clean and seeing if the new machine could recognize the drive once the original install of XP was removed from the drive..??

    Also a possibility that it could be an incompatibility between the BIOS level of the new machine and backwards compatibility to SATA 1 hard disks - or the firmware of the hard drive itself not being compatible with the newer motherboard/controller/machine - although any manufacturer should be shot for not allowing backwards compatibility for at LEAST the last couple of generations of hardware...Perhaps a BIOS upgrade might aid in getting the new hardware to recognize the older drive..?? Or a firmware upgrade to the drive itself might allow the newer hardware to recognize the older drive...Again, makes NO SENSE - but a quarter century of hardware engineer experience has proven that not all vendors remember to consider older hardware when designing their "latest and greatest"... And it certainly would not be unheard of to need to upgrade the firmware on older hardware to allow compatibility with a newer generation of hardware...

    Guessing about jumper configurations is a needle in a haystack approach that is only successful if one gets extremely lucky - the earlier post about doing a Google (or whatever)search for the specific manufacturer/model numbers of the hard drive AND motherboard in question should provide you with links to the manufacturers websites - or other sources - that would provide the tech specs and manuals for both - and perhaps your answer would most likely lie in the documentation found by such a step.

    Let me know if these tips are of no help...and I'll try to help you find an answer beyond those "expert" tips provided by the other old fart posting here - who apparently is interested in nothing beyond attempting to aggravate you and your quest for a resolution...

    And, unfortunately - it IS always possible that there simply IS no answer...the drive could have been zapped in the move somehow.. any number of possibilities there... :-(

    Feel free to contact me at ron_ruble@yahoo.com - be sure to include reference to this thread and your specific problem in the subject line - as my offers to others such as this have obviously earned me large amounts of spam/junk/useless mails to my address from others like Mycroft who don't appreciate others speaking the truth about their helpful posts...and delight in seeing that I'm added to every spam list they can find... ;-)

    Best of luck in your quest...

    Ron