Questions

Applying for an internal job in a different depart ment

Tags:
+
0 Votes
Locked

Applying for an internal job in a different depart ment

bakwas.reg
I have a protocol/procedure question . I always value your thoughts on the various issues that get posted out here,

There is an internal job posting in a different group within the company, I know the hiring manager. He mentioned to me that his group was hiring , that was how I came to know about the job.

To apply for this job, what should be the protocol? Should I just apply at
the human resources or indicate
to my manager that I am interested in the position.
At some point my manager
has to be told, would that be before I talk the other manager and his group or after
I have finalized everything?

Thanks in advance.
  • +
    0 Votes
    lmacartn

    Send in your application through the HR channels. If you know the manager and want them to know you've applied (they've hinted they'd like you to and you are qualified), you may want to send an email with a heads up. If your application doesn't come back to the hiring manager from HR, it gives them an chance to assess the selection criteria. It's professional courtesy to let your current manager know when you've applied for an internal position. Even if you're unsuccessful, it's a good opportunity to start discussions about why you're looking and what your current manager needs to know about your career aspirations.

    +
    0 Votes
    frostbite

    when moving to a different organization (internally/externally) it is always good to maintain relationships.

    Think about why you are moving, assuming it is purely a career decision, have a discussion with your current manager. Who knows you may get what you are looking for in your current role, he can also give you insights on whether you will be a good match.

    chances are the hiring manager will ask your current manager things about you so it is best to maintain a good relationship with your current.

    give a heads up to the hiring manager that you are going to apply for the position, then go thru the "needed" HR channels.

    +
    0 Votes
    glgruver

    I work for a local Government. Within most Federal, State and local Governments, intra-departmental job transfers are common. By law, all job postings are public records and are readily accessable on the internet. All job openings are posted, even those considered to be "promotions". These usually have job specific requirements, ie "x years previous experience as xxxx, OR EQUIVALENT". In any case, it is considered proper to let your Supervisor know that you are applying for a different job. Sometimes they will be supportive.
    In my case, I took and passed a civil service exam for a promotional position. I even interviewed for a couple of positions, but did not get the jobs. In the meantime, my job duties shifted, which resulted in the creation of a new position for me. I have been much happier in my new position than I would have been had I received the promotion I originally sought.
    Good luck to you. Hope all goes well for you.

    +
    0 Votes
    Prefbid II

    The "right" course of action depends on the procedures for your company and your relationship with your current manager. The only time I would recommend not telling your current manager is if you have a hostile relationship going.

    I think for most companies the best thing to do is file your paperwork with HR and tell your manager sometime prior to any interview that you have to go through for the job. If your relationship with your current boss is excellent, you may even consider asking his opinion on the position and your prospects to succeed if you got it.

    +
    0 Votes
    Wamari

    You need to discuss this development with your current manager and exhaust options within. S/he may give you info useful before you place your application. If there are no issues then place the application and inform the hiring manager of the same. Always keep your current manager posted on progress. It may be a fact that you have issues with your current manager, there is no better time get it out and done with. I never restrict my team members from growth and shifts, I always appreciate prior informal notice. A good manager will always know, s/he may be the actual initiator of the entire process. Go for it.

    +
    0 Votes
    cdsharp

    (TO:) If you are interested in the new position as an advancement, and you are in good standing with your current manager, by all means discuss the opportunity with them. Good managers can be very helpful.
    (FROM:)If you interested in leaving your current position because of hostile/poor management, you may want to consider whether it is best to wait until the interview is scheduled before you notify your current manager. In this case, they could cause you harm by 'blocking' you in the screening process.

    I've been in both situations, and frankly it was on the second try to leave the hostile manager that I learned to not give him the opportunity to hinder my efforts. (He actually called the first screener to say I wasn't available.)
    The best manager I've ever known pointed out an opportunity that I overlooked in the vacancy listings, and we now enjoy a productive peer-to-peer relationship.

    +
    0 Votes
    venkata_rathnam

    Hi,

    When you find a new opportunity and willing to move on, just think about your current responsibility and current work situation. Your current manager has responsibility to run his project or work and also has responsibility to look after his team.

    It is always good to you to notify your current manager about your new opportunity in well advance because he will get enough time to find same role in the current department if you are really capable enough for the new role and also he will find someone else to take over your position.

    If your manager is good to you, he will help you in his level best. Assume, he doesn?t like you or he is not good to you then you will get a chance to see his boss to fix the conflicts. Both are important to you

    Best of Luck

    +
    0 Votes
    GSG

    Your organization should have a policy regarding internal applications and transfers. For example, in my organization, an internal application looks different and will always be considered over an outside application where both applicants are otherwise equal. Check your organization's HR policies or ask your HR department.

    +
    0 Votes
    Granville

    As others have stated this really depends on company policy and your relationship with your current manager.

    If you are on good or reasonable terms then talk to your current manager FIRST. If you have good reasons and handle this properly, and your manager is fair minded, I would expect he/she to support your application. This will stand you in good stead with the other department, HR, etc.

    Then talk to either your HR department, they are there to assist you as long it is in the interest of the company. After all they are "Human RESOURCE Manager". ;-)

    Personally I would never ever APPLY for another position before discussing it with my current manager. She (in my case) could well torpedo the whole thing or partically guarantee my success. It would be up to me to handle the initial approach as SHE expects. (NB This is not sexist just that is the way our relationship works.)

    +
    0 Votes
    carry

    Hi, There is no harm in keeping your manager in the loop. If you feel he/she may mar your chances of success, as a matter of protocol atleast let his/her superior know about both the opportunity and your concerns. Its not wrong for the other manager to have approached you directly to consider applying for the position within his department. However once you apply, both by protocol and because "managers by nature hate surprises", you should let your manager or senior manager know. However in a situation where the HR directly approaches a resource without informing the concerned manager(s) it will be deemed unethical,to say the least, by corporate practices, as it just amounts to internal poaching which must strongly be discouraged.
    When done correctly, an internal movement is always a good option to retain an employee by providing him/her a better opportunity within the organization as opposed to the staff seeking opportunities elsewhere.

    Cheers,
    Krypton

    +
    0 Votes
    ravisukumaran

    Internal candidates should discuss with their supervisor/Branch Manager regarding their intention to apply for an internal position. Interested and eligible internal candidates should apply directly, copying their supervisor/Branch Manger.

    +
    0 Votes
    unni_kcpm

    1. Make up your mind(or make sure), you are
    suited to the position in question i.e.
    after all things done you should NOT be
    in a position neither Nor here.
    2. Talk to your immediate Manager and
    possibly you have to "convince" that you
    require the change badly due to XXXXX
    reasons. Also you need to take him in
    good humour to achieve ...
    3. Also the "different" group may refer
    back to him for your credential and
    in that case, you need him at your side.
    4. So, if you are looking for the change,
    take him in your stride.

    Best Wishes
    Menon.

  • +
    0 Votes
    lmacartn

    Send in your application through the HR channels. If you know the manager and want them to know you've applied (they've hinted they'd like you to and you are qualified), you may want to send an email with a heads up. If your application doesn't come back to the hiring manager from HR, it gives them an chance to assess the selection criteria. It's professional courtesy to let your current manager know when you've applied for an internal position. Even if you're unsuccessful, it's a good opportunity to start discussions about why you're looking and what your current manager needs to know about your career aspirations.

    +
    0 Votes
    frostbite

    when moving to a different organization (internally/externally) it is always good to maintain relationships.

    Think about why you are moving, assuming it is purely a career decision, have a discussion with your current manager. Who knows you may get what you are looking for in your current role, he can also give you insights on whether you will be a good match.

    chances are the hiring manager will ask your current manager things about you so it is best to maintain a good relationship with your current.

    give a heads up to the hiring manager that you are going to apply for the position, then go thru the "needed" HR channels.

    +
    0 Votes
    glgruver

    I work for a local Government. Within most Federal, State and local Governments, intra-departmental job transfers are common. By law, all job postings are public records and are readily accessable on the internet. All job openings are posted, even those considered to be "promotions". These usually have job specific requirements, ie "x years previous experience as xxxx, OR EQUIVALENT". In any case, it is considered proper to let your Supervisor know that you are applying for a different job. Sometimes they will be supportive.
    In my case, I took and passed a civil service exam for a promotional position. I even interviewed for a couple of positions, but did not get the jobs. In the meantime, my job duties shifted, which resulted in the creation of a new position for me. I have been much happier in my new position than I would have been had I received the promotion I originally sought.
    Good luck to you. Hope all goes well for you.

    +
    0 Votes
    Prefbid II

    The "right" course of action depends on the procedures for your company and your relationship with your current manager. The only time I would recommend not telling your current manager is if you have a hostile relationship going.

    I think for most companies the best thing to do is file your paperwork with HR and tell your manager sometime prior to any interview that you have to go through for the job. If your relationship with your current boss is excellent, you may even consider asking his opinion on the position and your prospects to succeed if you got it.

    +
    0 Votes
    Wamari

    You need to discuss this development with your current manager and exhaust options within. S/he may give you info useful before you place your application. If there are no issues then place the application and inform the hiring manager of the same. Always keep your current manager posted on progress. It may be a fact that you have issues with your current manager, there is no better time get it out and done with. I never restrict my team members from growth and shifts, I always appreciate prior informal notice. A good manager will always know, s/he may be the actual initiator of the entire process. Go for it.

    +
    0 Votes
    cdsharp

    (TO:) If you are interested in the new position as an advancement, and you are in good standing with your current manager, by all means discuss the opportunity with them. Good managers can be very helpful.
    (FROM:)If you interested in leaving your current position because of hostile/poor management, you may want to consider whether it is best to wait until the interview is scheduled before you notify your current manager. In this case, they could cause you harm by 'blocking' you in the screening process.

    I've been in both situations, and frankly it was on the second try to leave the hostile manager that I learned to not give him the opportunity to hinder my efforts. (He actually called the first screener to say I wasn't available.)
    The best manager I've ever known pointed out an opportunity that I overlooked in the vacancy listings, and we now enjoy a productive peer-to-peer relationship.

    +
    0 Votes
    venkata_rathnam

    Hi,

    When you find a new opportunity and willing to move on, just think about your current responsibility and current work situation. Your current manager has responsibility to run his project or work and also has responsibility to look after his team.

    It is always good to you to notify your current manager about your new opportunity in well advance because he will get enough time to find same role in the current department if you are really capable enough for the new role and also he will find someone else to take over your position.

    If your manager is good to you, he will help you in his level best. Assume, he doesn?t like you or he is not good to you then you will get a chance to see his boss to fix the conflicts. Both are important to you

    Best of Luck

    +
    0 Votes
    GSG

    Your organization should have a policy regarding internal applications and transfers. For example, in my organization, an internal application looks different and will always be considered over an outside application where both applicants are otherwise equal. Check your organization's HR policies or ask your HR department.

    +
    0 Votes
    Granville

    As others have stated this really depends on company policy and your relationship with your current manager.

    If you are on good or reasonable terms then talk to your current manager FIRST. If you have good reasons and handle this properly, and your manager is fair minded, I would expect he/she to support your application. This will stand you in good stead with the other department, HR, etc.

    Then talk to either your HR department, they are there to assist you as long it is in the interest of the company. After all they are "Human RESOURCE Manager". ;-)

    Personally I would never ever APPLY for another position before discussing it with my current manager. She (in my case) could well torpedo the whole thing or partically guarantee my success. It would be up to me to handle the initial approach as SHE expects. (NB This is not sexist just that is the way our relationship works.)

    +
    0 Votes
    carry

    Hi, There is no harm in keeping your manager in the loop. If you feel he/she may mar your chances of success, as a matter of protocol atleast let his/her superior know about both the opportunity and your concerns. Its not wrong for the other manager to have approached you directly to consider applying for the position within his department. However once you apply, both by protocol and because "managers by nature hate surprises", you should let your manager or senior manager know. However in a situation where the HR directly approaches a resource without informing the concerned manager(s) it will be deemed unethical,to say the least, by corporate practices, as it just amounts to internal poaching which must strongly be discouraged.
    When done correctly, an internal movement is always a good option to retain an employee by providing him/her a better opportunity within the organization as opposed to the staff seeking opportunities elsewhere.

    Cheers,
    Krypton

    +
    0 Votes
    ravisukumaran

    Internal candidates should discuss with their supervisor/Branch Manager regarding their intention to apply for an internal position. Interested and eligible internal candidates should apply directly, copying their supervisor/Branch Manger.

    +
    0 Votes
    unni_kcpm

    1. Make up your mind(or make sure), you are
    suited to the position in question i.e.
    after all things done you should NOT be
    in a position neither Nor here.
    2. Talk to your immediate Manager and
    possibly you have to "convince" that you
    require the change badly due to XXXXX
    reasons. Also you need to take him in
    good humour to achieve ...
    3. Also the "different" group may refer
    back to him for your credential and
    in that case, you need him at your side.
    4. So, if you are looking for the change,
    take him in your stride.

    Best Wishes
    Menon.