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Ghosting and cloning

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Ghosting and cloning

jardinier
I wish to back up my hard drive on an external USB hard drive. I have acquired the software Magic Cute, but I do not understand the difference in meaning between cloning and ghosting.

Thank you in advance.
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    robo_dev

    cloning means to copy that image to another drive, creating a duplicate of the orginal.

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    jardinier

    First I make an image, and then I copy the image to an external drive. Are both procedures necessary?

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    dldorrance

    Cloning makes an identical copy of your entire hard drive. So if you lose your internal hard drive you can pull it out of the computer and install the cloned hard drive and you are good to go.

    Ghosting copies your data (but not programs) to a file which can be stored off the computer. But the process of restoring your Windows installation, restoring all your programs and resetting everything is left to you and is a tedious process at best. Indeed, if you purchased a computer with Windows pre-installed and your computer hard drive fails, you will most likely have to obtain an installation disk to reload Windows. And if you have never installed Windows from scratch you would be in for a learning curve.

    Personally, I prefer cloning. In case of a disaster all you need to do is swap hard drives.

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    jardinier

    Recently my computer crashed after I installed a piece of software which apparently didn't agree with it. The technician I normally use made a ghost. To repair Windows he reinstalled it over the corrupted version. No other changes had to be make. All the applications worked perfectly.

    When I asked him the difference between ghosting and cloning, he said the words were interchangeable and it was just a matter of which software you used. This man and his staff know EVERYTHING about repairing or upgrading Windows.

    So I will be waiting for some more replies to my question. However I will take your advice and make a clone onto the USB external hard drive. If you do not this this is satisfactory, I will make the clone onto an additional internal hard drive.

    Incidentally my primary HDD has three partitions.

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    Who Am I Really

    and whoever they bought it from:

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    Hardware
    Oriented
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    Transfer

    a clone is a ghost

    you use GHOST to make an exact sector by sector duplicate of the entire system drive including OS, Programs, any User Data

    a clone is the same thing as a GHOST


    an Image is one of two types:
    a> a sector based copy stored in a file
    b> file based copy stored in a file

    a> a sector based copy will restore the files to their exact positions on the new drive where they were located on the previous drive

    b> a file based copy will restore the files in a contiguous block write to the new drive

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    robo_dev

    in my experience, is a binary bit-for-bit copy of a disk partition.

    This allows you to restore the image file to a completely blank hard drive and it will work.

    Programs such as Ghost, Macrium Reflect, Clonezilla, or Acronis TrueImage all do a great job of this. My favorite is Macrium Reflect Free.

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    jardinier

    I have a copy of that lying around somewhere. Ah ! I found it. There are very clear instructions with it so I will go with that.

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    dldorrance

    My apologies for confusing ghosting with backup programs.

    I suspect the technician who fixed your installation made the ghost/clone "just in case". The technician then probably repaired your Windows installation on the original HDD using a copy of Windows. If for some reason the repair corrupted your drive, the technician had a copy of everything. Safety first.

    Ghosting/cloning does not "see" disk partitions as separate drives the way Windows does. The process simply copies everything on the HDD, basically making a "carbon copy" of the entire drive.

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    dldorrance

    Just to be clear, the way you clone a drive is with cloning software, which must reside on a CD. With both HDD's hooked up you boot the computer with the cloning CD, which then asks which is the drive to be copied and to which other drive is the copy made.

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    jardinier

    Yes thank you. I now think I understand what to do. But I have one remaining question. Can I make the clone on an external USB HDD? I could then copy that to an internal HDD later.

    I purchased a terabyte USB external drive which had some crappy back-up software on it which backed up just a small number of files.

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    jardinier

    Yes I think you are right about that.

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    dldorrance

    Once cloned to the USB HDD, you can than restore the internal drive using the same cloning software. An analogy to the equal symbol in mathematics: it is reflexive--works both ways.

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    robo_dev

    cloning means to copy that image to another drive, creating a duplicate of the orginal.

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    jardinier

    First I make an image, and then I copy the image to an external drive. Are both procedures necessary?

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    dldorrance

    Cloning makes an identical copy of your entire hard drive. So if you lose your internal hard drive you can pull it out of the computer and install the cloned hard drive and you are good to go.

    Ghosting copies your data (but not programs) to a file which can be stored off the computer. But the process of restoring your Windows installation, restoring all your programs and resetting everything is left to you and is a tedious process at best. Indeed, if you purchased a computer with Windows pre-installed and your computer hard drive fails, you will most likely have to obtain an installation disk to reload Windows. And if you have never installed Windows from scratch you would be in for a learning curve.

    Personally, I prefer cloning. In case of a disaster all you need to do is swap hard drives.

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    jardinier

    Recently my computer crashed after I installed a piece of software which apparently didn't agree with it. The technician I normally use made a ghost. To repair Windows he reinstalled it over the corrupted version. No other changes had to be make. All the applications worked perfectly.

    When I asked him the difference between ghosting and cloning, he said the words were interchangeable and it was just a matter of which software you used. This man and his staff know EVERYTHING about repairing or upgrading Windows.

    So I will be waiting for some more replies to my question. However I will take your advice and make a clone onto the USB external hard drive. If you do not this this is satisfactory, I will make the clone onto an additional internal hard drive.

    Incidentally my primary HDD has three partitions.

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    Who Am I Really

    and whoever they bought it from:

    General
    Hardware
    Oriented
    System
    Transfer

    a clone is a ghost

    you use GHOST to make an exact sector by sector duplicate of the entire system drive including OS, Programs, any User Data

    a clone is the same thing as a GHOST


    an Image is one of two types:
    a> a sector based copy stored in a file
    b> file based copy stored in a file

    a> a sector based copy will restore the files to their exact positions on the new drive where they were located on the previous drive

    b> a file based copy will restore the files in a contiguous block write to the new drive

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    robo_dev

    in my experience, is a binary bit-for-bit copy of a disk partition.

    This allows you to restore the image file to a completely blank hard drive and it will work.

    Programs such as Ghost, Macrium Reflect, Clonezilla, or Acronis TrueImage all do a great job of this. My favorite is Macrium Reflect Free.

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    jardinier

    I have a copy of that lying around somewhere. Ah ! I found it. There are very clear instructions with it so I will go with that.

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    dldorrance

    My apologies for confusing ghosting with backup programs.

    I suspect the technician who fixed your installation made the ghost/clone "just in case". The technician then probably repaired your Windows installation on the original HDD using a copy of Windows. If for some reason the repair corrupted your drive, the technician had a copy of everything. Safety first.

    Ghosting/cloning does not "see" disk partitions as separate drives the way Windows does. The process simply copies everything on the HDD, basically making a "carbon copy" of the entire drive.

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    dldorrance

    Just to be clear, the way you clone a drive is with cloning software, which must reside on a CD. With both HDD's hooked up you boot the computer with the cloning CD, which then asks which is the drive to be copied and to which other drive is the copy made.

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    jardinier

    Yes thank you. I now think I understand what to do. But I have one remaining question. Can I make the clone on an external USB HDD? I could then copy that to an internal HDD later.

    I purchased a terabyte USB external drive which had some crappy back-up software on it which backed up just a small number of files.

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    jardinier

    Yes I think you are right about that.

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    dldorrance

    Once cloned to the USB HDD, you can than restore the internal drive using the same cloning software. An analogy to the equal symbol in mathematics: it is reflexive--works both ways.