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k1ngr4t
I have searched EVERYWHERE for help. So I have my copy of SpinRite 6. Finally was able to burn the ISO image to a CD, booted from the CD, got into the SpinRite OS, and just sort of winged it. I didn't change any setting or anything like that, simply followed the instructions to choose which drive to work on and hit either enter or spacebar as needed. Waited 5 hours for whatever it was doing to finish. Finally finished, said operation was completed successfully, yet all of the data screens you can view afterwards didn't seem to show anything.

So I'm not sure what happened. After it was finished I looked over those several review screens and, since none of it really made sense to me, gave up on interpreting and exited. I wasn't even sure how to tell if any data was recovered or if I was supposed to direct the recovered data somewhere else or what. No manual after version 5 available so I'm at a loss. I feel like I made good progress on my own, but now I'm desperate. I simply cannot lose some of the files that were on my external. Tried to load up the external after I finished, yet still says "drive is unavailable or corrupted."

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I suppose it's possible I chose the "operation 1" which I guess just scanned the HDD. Like I said, I didn't make any special changes other than choosing the external. So if it starts on operation 1 by default then that would make sense, however when viewing the screens at the end there was a little "square root sign/checkmark" next to operation 2. Anyone know? PLEASE?!?!
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    seanferd

    No matter, see the website. Manuals for v5 should still have most of the same information.

    http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm
    See all the links toward the bottom.
    http://www.grc.com/srdocs.htm
    V5 manuals.

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    k1ngr4t

    I've actually quickly browsed through it, admittedly nothing horribly thorough as a lot of it doesn't make THAT much sense to me. And it's actually pretty different. Though the words are generally the same, a lot of the pictures they show are not at all the same as what I dealt with. I guess what I really want to know is how do I finish and test the drive? Should I just be able to plug it in and it'll play again? Or at some point am I supposed to select a drive to send the recovered data to? Am I supposed to be able to choose the files individually through the SpinRite OS? I DON'T KNOW!!! Hardware makes sense to me, but I am soooo NOT a software person...

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    seanferd

    and I am not certain at all what it was you had initiated, I can't really say what it is you are supposed to do.

    For all I know, you ran a set of tests on the hardware that say what is or isn't wrong with the drive. I don't know at all what steps you would take to read data off the drive - and yes, write it to another drive. Unless there isn't anything terribly wrong, perhaps an easily rebuilt partition or MFT caused by a problem other than drive failure. (I would still invest in a backup anyway if it is Important Data.

    That is the other thing - we don't even know what symptoms prompted you to run Spinrite on the drive.

    edit: Oops, I forgot to ask - have you tried reading from this disk, then? If there was something that was fixed by Spinrite, and you don't understand the output (save any logs?), the best way to find out what is up would be to try copying the drive.

    (I still can't seem to download the manual or even the brochure at the moment.)

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    k1ngr4t

    Well I'm pretty sure it was corrupted because I didn't properly dismount it. I thought the drive was off but, sure enough, it wasn't.

    A log was saved to the disk so I'll look that over tonight, so thanks for that suggestion.

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    seanferd

    I would use a disk tool to check the partitions for corruption and such then, followed by a chkdsk.

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    OH Smeg

    I simply cannot lose some of the files that were on my external

    You certainly shouldn't be using something which can completely destroy whatever it is you have on that drive.

    As you say that this Data is Important you should send it to someone who knows what it is that they are doing and pay the price of a Professional Recovery. The more that you unsuccessfully mess with the drive now the more expensive that recovery is going to be and the less likely it is to be successful.

    According to Gibson Research Corporation the makers of Spinrite The best way to learn what SpinRite 6.0 can do for you is to click the
    PLAY button below to watch this fun, interesting and fact-filled video:
    Here

    http://www.grc.com/sr/themovie.htm

    Not really sure what is different with SP6 from the earlier versions because it's not something that I personally use and it's never something I would touch for anything Important.

    But with any Data Recovery you never make any changes tot he Affected Drive as that should never be touched just read from and the data saved elsewhere, that way if whatever you are trying doesn't work you have not done any damage tot he drive which is going to make it Harder/More Expensive to recover data.

    Also if you understand Hardware as well as you say you do you would know that External Drives are only ever for part time use and should never be relied upon as any form of Secure Backup let alone Primary Data Storage. You would never use something like that unless it's in a Vibrational Suppressed Enclosure which is actively cooled and even then you would know that the drive in it is going to have a shorter life expediently and be unreliable at best for Long Term Storage.

    NAS type enclosures are OK but the small external cases are just downright dangerous and they are way too unreliable to be used for anything short of Part Time Use when there is no possibility of anything happening to the drive and they should always be used with Desktops never a NB or NetBook.

    Then there is the simple fact that they very rarely get dismounted correctly and have their Partition Tables Corrupted so they should only be used as a Last Resort and even then never be relied upon to actually work. Those things give computing a very bad name as people expect them to be reliable which they simply can not be.

    Anyway as said above if this is Really Important Data you should now pack up the drive and send it to your preferred Data Recovery Specialist before you completely ruin any chance of recovering the data. If you must use a Software Option always save any data to another location that is most defiantly on another drive or you run the risk of hopelessly overwriting the data that you want to recover. When that happens you need to have a Forensic Recovery performed and the only places that I know who are capable of doing work like that do it for the Legal System Recovering Data of suspected Kiddy Fiddlers and the Big End of Town Corporate Crime Types. Not sure just how much one of those recoveries costs but it most certainly destroys the drive as they remove the platters coat them with some Green Goup and then read whatever directly off the platters.

    However I wouldn't expect any change out of a Million $ if not considerably more.

    I've personally not found anyone willing to pay that much for a recovery and it's only the Legal System backed by Big Government who follow this path for the really Bad People.

    Col

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    k1ngr4t

    Well, for starters, I do not appreciate your tone sir. Your response was somewhat helpful if not rather condescending. You should consider the possibility though that it was actually while trying to transfer data from my external to my new desktop that it became corrupted. I was able to get 70gigs of music out. Also, if YOU knew anything about external hardware, you'd know they can DEFINITELY be used for long term use. I've probably had this HDD a good 5 years now, just got a new desktop last Friday...and I'll admit, I've not always played nicely with this thing.

    Anyways, thanks for that link. That's very helpful. The whole reason I chose this program was because I knew I could figure it out without paying someone to do something simple, like most computer issues. And now I have it for long term use, just in case.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    Thickening your skin a bit and showing a bit of respect for those whose skills just "may" be beyond your comprehension. I, for one, found nothing condescending in OH_Smeg's post. It was after all a reply framed in response to "your" unfortunate choice of words. Consider that the vast majority of people responding to help with these questions are not typical Helpdesk technicians. Most of the ladies and gentlemen here would be more aptly referred to as "engineers".

    Please don't feel I am bashing you as I am not. Just pointing out that what you deem important in terms of unimaginable loss might differ somewhat in perspective than that of a large corportation.

    All of the above notwhithstanding, you would be wise to heed everything OH_Smeg stated for future referrence as it is all quite correct and could save you some grief in the future.

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    k1ngr4t

    Had a long day and was pretty upset/frustrated over this issue. My life isn't dependent on what's on the drive, but there's a lot of really important, be it sentimental or extremely time consuming, data on there that would really, REALLY upset me and set me back in several ways if I lost it.

    I'm not arguing with anybody that I shouldn't have kept such personal data on there, I just want to know how to use this damn program...

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    OH Smeg

    What's stopping you from just networking the old to the new system with a Cross Over Cable and transferring the data that way?

    Far more reliable and faster as it's not limited the the USB Interface/Port Speed. Not to mention not needing to recover the lost data on the external drive.

    I really do not want to get into a disagreement with you but long term use of a external Drive in a Non Vibrational enabled enclosure without Active Cooling is a recipe for disaster.

    But as many people say there are only two types of computer user those who have lost all of their data and those who are about to loose all of their data.

    However if you simply must use an External try one of these cases from Antec they are very good but I don't trust them all that much when the Data is Important.

    http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NDc=

    After being in the first group a couple of times you very quickly learn that you don't want to continue in that group so you learn to take steps so it doesn't happen again. Of course till then Close Enough is Good Enough. :^0

    Col

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    k1ngr4t

    The data was on the hard drive, not the laptop. I got the external because my laptops HDD wasn't big enough for my music. Now that I had my new desktop, I was putting everything onto my 500gig, but it was corrupted at some point.

    I don't want to get into an e-brawl either, you seem like a knowledgeable guy, all I'm saying is that with the proper care (ie proper enclosure, proper dismounting, and proper cooling) externals can be a good storage solution. You can even put something on them, and then shelf it somewhere safe, so it's only used when you need it. Sure you might have to **** the dust off if it's literally never used, but this can easily be done. I know people who do this and they have never had any problems. I could've treated mine better though, I won't deny that.

    Definitely won't disagree that internal is better. Sometimes you just don't have the option though. Anyways, thanks for your help. I already bought SpinRite so i'm going to learn to use it instead of taking it to somebody. Really I just wanted to know how to tell if it worked. Which whatever I did the first time didn't. Thanks again though.

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    sven

    Hi there you should use the deep scan and after that you should restart it and then it should work.

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    k1ngr4t

    I thought deep scan didn't recover lost data? Plus I already have SpinRite so...

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    Who Am I Really

    here's the problem:

    SpinRite works on the drive's Physical Sectors
    - on the 1's and 0's only,
    - not on file system clusters,

    it can recognize the file system structure
    however, it has not been programmed to rebuild corrupted (partition tables, FAT structures, MFT structures, Folder Hierarchy, etc.)
    when it encounters a damaged Folder structure it will inform you that it is damaged the same way it informs of a damaged file

    also its ability to work on external drives is limited to the interface the drive is connected to
    ie.
    SpinRite cannot read the SMART data from a drive connected to USB and certain SATA controllers

    Level 2 is the default testing level and Level 1 still reports physical problems

    a modern drive that makes it 5 years is an exception not the norm.

    others considerations,
    - incompatibility between the new system's newer OS and the 5 year old drive
    - av corruption of the drive (yes it can happen)
    - what was the file system on the external drive? (FAT32 / NTFS)?

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    k1ngr4t

    It's a NTFS drive. Is it absolutely necessary for the SMART data to be read? I probably misinterpreted what I read but I thought it wasn't necessary just recommended?

    I'm going to rerun it later tonight at the level 4 setting, probably will take all night so...

    It seems like what you're saying is that it probably won't work, which is VERY discouraging

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    seanferd

    Spinrite is great for maintenance, and good for recovery when the disk itself has problems.

    You, more than likely, have a data problem. As I have suggested above, use a partition checker/editor, then chkdsk. Actually, you can run chkdsk and see what it says - if it can't fix the problem due to a corrupt partition, you then know what tool you need.

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    Who Am I Really

    SpinRite can't recover volume corruption caused by bad software / failing hardware
    ie. viruses, Bad RAM, bad disk controller / cabling etc. can corrupt:
    - files,
    - the MFT,
    - the FAT (FAT/FAT32 volumes),
    - the MBR,
    etc.

    if the data is damaged from this then SpinRite can't do anything about it

    if the data was correct but in a damaged sector SpinRite may be able to correct the issue

    if you're not seeing any R's in the display, then it's not correcting any physical damage because there isn't any

    see pic for the screen I'm talking about

    http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz249/WhatNameShoudIUse/Photo-0004.jpg

    the R's are recovered physically damaged sectors

    the U is an unrecoverable sector

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    k1ngr4t

    I did see that screen, but there were no letters, only the full squares. I thought I did something wrong because there weren't any R's or U's. So I guess SpinRite isn't what I needed since there's no physical damage.

    What about Paragon Backup and Restore? I guess I have a data issue rather than physical, so do you know if that will help? Any other suggestions?

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    OH Smeg

    The best that I've ever used however is from On Track as it can repair damaged Partition Tables or recover Data but it has it's limits.

    Here I would suggest before proceeding any further to open the enclosure remove the drive and fit to a computer where you can test the drive with it's Makers Testing Utility. That will tell you what if any damage the drive has suffered. You can not accurately test the drive int he enclosure as most of the Drive Makers Software can not read the SMART Data through the USB Interface card so you get the wrong results.

    You can get the HDD makers Testing Utilities from here

    http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=287

    As for as Software goes this is what I tell most people at TR who ask

    All you need do is run one of the Many Data Recovery Programs preferably one that Rebuilds the Partition Information.

    Here is a short list of the better ones but it is by no means a complete list of all the available software.

    http://tinyurl.com/273ay5

    http://tinyurl.com/rmvrv

    http://tinyurl.com/yvrsl

    http://tinyurl.com/yyk8cm

    http://tinyurl.com/382vm

    http://tinyurl.com/ynwnel

    http://tinyurl.com/nc4kx

    http://tinyurl.com/2wox7l

    http://tinyurl.com/374d8b

    http://tinyurl.com/djw6u

    http://tinyurl.com/f73se

    http://tinyurl.com/8bd3f

    http://tinyurl.com/afu2j

    While the last 2 are from the same company they are very different products. Win Hex should only be considered for use by someone who knows Hex Inside Out while Davory is a great cheap General Purpose Application.

    Personally I prefer the On Track Option but it's anything but cheap. However because I use this type of software a lot it's paid for itself many times over by now, for a cheaper option Spin Rite from Gibson Research or Stella have both very good reputations by other TR members though you need to chose the right application for the failure that you are facing.


    Also as this drive has been in an external Enclosure make very sure that there are no signs of failure occurring. Check the SMART Diagnostics Warnings and pay particular attention to things like the drive being overheated. While Heat & Vibration are the most likely causes of failures of HDD any sign of the drive overheating is a sure sign that the drive is in the process of failing and going to Silicon Heaven.

    Col

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    seanferd

    Start → Run → type
    cmd
    in the box, and hit Enter.

    In the command window, type
    chkdsk /r
    and let it do its thing.

    It may fix your problem, or it may tell you what is wrong. Take notes. Let us know the result of the chkdsk.

    If a different utility is required, we can point you to an appropriate one.

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    k1ngr4t

    I'll run this first and see what happens, then I'm going to look into some of the links SMEG posted. Will definitely keep you guys "posted." (Get it? Posted? On a forum? lol.)

    I can't thank all of you enough by the way. You're all giving me great amounts of hope...

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    Who Am I Really

    I've heard of other tools,
    ie. "GetDataBack" etc.
    but never bothered to do any research into them,

    as I always keep duplicate volume sets for my data drives,
    for any type of data issue I just flatten the problem drive and restore from the other drive
    ie.
    what I store on D:\ is also on E:\ and so on

    even my externals are duplicated this way

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    k1ngr4t

    Tried the chkdsk method. In Win7 however you can't run it through the cmd prompt, but rather the properties of the HDD. However, when I tried to do that, it says "The disk check could not be performed because Windows can't access the disk."

    Any thoughts?

    Second Update: Used a trial version of "Recover Data" to scan the disk. I guess it found the problem, but you can only save the log. It show's all of the files on the drive that I want to recover, and there's one in red that says "Deleted Folder," so I assume that's the problem area...

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    Who Am I Really

    right click the Command Prompt icon and select "Run as Administrator"

    then type the following followed by the drive letter windows assigned the drive

    chkdsk /v /f

    /v = verbose
    /f = fix

    you can't use CHKDSK on a drive without a letter

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    k1ngr4t

    But I could not find the cmd prompt icon ANYWHERE. I searched for it, tried to open the file location and it just linked me to my desktop. Looked all over. I think in Win7 you have to use the search bar to find something like that, and it doesn't let you Run as Administrator.

    I'm really enjoying all the new features of Win7 EXCEPT this stupid administrator business. You'd think that if you are set as the computers administrator, you wouldn't have to right click every thing to run it...

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    seanferd

    just use Recuva or Recover My Files. They are free and not limited to just providing a log.

    When you do this - <b>recover the files to a <i>different</i> partition or drive.</b> If you do not, you probably will be overwriting files you want to recover.

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    k1ngr4t

    Should be done in about 2 hours, made sure to recover to a different drive. God I hope this works...

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    k1ngr4t

    Data was recovered.

    I ended up using EASEUS Data Recovery Wizard and got everything back. Again, I can't thank all of you enough, I would not have made it this far if it weren't for your help. Thank you again, and please stick around to help the next data loss victim in need!

    PS To SMEG, sorry for freaking out on you, was unnecessary and, like I said, was just really upset (and maybe a little drunk) at the time. Your help proved invaluable and I sincerely appreciate everything.

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    OH Smeg

    They are really helpful when it comes to finding out how it's going.

    Col

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    TonyKl

    if your file system is corrupted, spinrite can't fix that. it is, however, best that you run spinrite first to check HD health and recover data at level 2, then use use dskchk on file system if spinrite doesn't do the trick.
    *edit*
    almost forgot but Who Am i reminded me - the drive in question is best temporarily connected straight to the motherboard via SATA or IDE during spinrite's analysis and recovery.

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    k1ngr4t

    I've actually already solved this problem and learned this the expensive way. I bought SpinRite 6 in my moment of blind frustration, but at least now I have it for the future, in case I do come across physical damage of some sort, which is bound to happen at some point. It was a data problem and I used a simple, free data recovery program. Thanks anyways though.

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    seanferd

    Which is to keep an eye on the drive so you can see drive failure coming ahead of time.
    http://www.sysopt.com/tutorials/article.php/12034_3549006_1

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    seanferd

    No matter, see the website. Manuals for v5 should still have most of the same information.

    http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm
    See all the links toward the bottom.
    http://www.grc.com/srdocs.htm
    V5 manuals.

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    k1ngr4t

    I've actually quickly browsed through it, admittedly nothing horribly thorough as a lot of it doesn't make THAT much sense to me. And it's actually pretty different. Though the words are generally the same, a lot of the pictures they show are not at all the same as what I dealt with. I guess what I really want to know is how do I finish and test the drive? Should I just be able to plug it in and it'll play again? Or at some point am I supposed to select a drive to send the recovered data to? Am I supposed to be able to choose the files individually through the SpinRite OS? I DON'T KNOW!!! Hardware makes sense to me, but I am soooo NOT a software person...

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    seanferd

    and I am not certain at all what it was you had initiated, I can't really say what it is you are supposed to do.

    For all I know, you ran a set of tests on the hardware that say what is or isn't wrong with the drive. I don't know at all what steps you would take to read data off the drive - and yes, write it to another drive. Unless there isn't anything terribly wrong, perhaps an easily rebuilt partition or MFT caused by a problem other than drive failure. (I would still invest in a backup anyway if it is Important Data.

    That is the other thing - we don't even know what symptoms prompted you to run Spinrite on the drive.

    edit: Oops, I forgot to ask - have you tried reading from this disk, then? If there was something that was fixed by Spinrite, and you don't understand the output (save any logs?), the best way to find out what is up would be to try copying the drive.

    (I still can't seem to download the manual or even the brochure at the moment.)

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    k1ngr4t

    Well I'm pretty sure it was corrupted because I didn't properly dismount it. I thought the drive was off but, sure enough, it wasn't.

    A log was saved to the disk so I'll look that over tonight, so thanks for that suggestion.

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    seanferd

    I would use a disk tool to check the partitions for corruption and such then, followed by a chkdsk.

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    OH Smeg

    I simply cannot lose some of the files that were on my external

    You certainly shouldn't be using something which can completely destroy whatever it is you have on that drive.

    As you say that this Data is Important you should send it to someone who knows what it is that they are doing and pay the price of a Professional Recovery. The more that you unsuccessfully mess with the drive now the more expensive that recovery is going to be and the less likely it is to be successful.

    According to Gibson Research Corporation the makers of Spinrite The best way to learn what SpinRite 6.0 can do for you is to click the
    PLAY button below to watch this fun, interesting and fact-filled video:
    Here

    http://www.grc.com/sr/themovie.htm

    Not really sure what is different with SP6 from the earlier versions because it's not something that I personally use and it's never something I would touch for anything Important.

    But with any Data Recovery you never make any changes tot he Affected Drive as that should never be touched just read from and the data saved elsewhere, that way if whatever you are trying doesn't work you have not done any damage tot he drive which is going to make it Harder/More Expensive to recover data.

    Also if you understand Hardware as well as you say you do you would know that External Drives are only ever for part time use and should never be relied upon as any form of Secure Backup let alone Primary Data Storage. You would never use something like that unless it's in a Vibrational Suppressed Enclosure which is actively cooled and even then you would know that the drive in it is going to have a shorter life expediently and be unreliable at best for Long Term Storage.

    NAS type enclosures are OK but the small external cases are just downright dangerous and they are way too unreliable to be used for anything short of Part Time Use when there is no possibility of anything happening to the drive and they should always be used with Desktops never a NB or NetBook.

    Then there is the simple fact that they very rarely get dismounted correctly and have their Partition Tables Corrupted so they should only be used as a Last Resort and even then never be relied upon to actually work. Those things give computing a very bad name as people expect them to be reliable which they simply can not be.

    Anyway as said above if this is Really Important Data you should now pack up the drive and send it to your preferred Data Recovery Specialist before you completely ruin any chance of recovering the data. If you must use a Software Option always save any data to another location that is most defiantly on another drive or you run the risk of hopelessly overwriting the data that you want to recover. When that happens you need to have a Forensic Recovery performed and the only places that I know who are capable of doing work like that do it for the Legal System Recovering Data of suspected Kiddy Fiddlers and the Big End of Town Corporate Crime Types. Not sure just how much one of those recoveries costs but it most certainly destroys the drive as they remove the platters coat them with some Green Goup and then read whatever directly off the platters.

    However I wouldn't expect any change out of a Million $ if not considerably more.

    I've personally not found anyone willing to pay that much for a recovery and it's only the Legal System backed by Big Government who follow this path for the really Bad People.

    Col

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    k1ngr4t

    Well, for starters, I do not appreciate your tone sir. Your response was somewhat helpful if not rather condescending. You should consider the possibility though that it was actually while trying to transfer data from my external to my new desktop that it became corrupted. I was able to get 70gigs of music out. Also, if YOU knew anything about external hardware, you'd know they can DEFINITELY be used for long term use. I've probably had this HDD a good 5 years now, just got a new desktop last Friday...and I'll admit, I've not always played nicely with this thing.

    Anyways, thanks for that link. That's very helpful. The whole reason I chose this program was because I knew I could figure it out without paying someone to do something simple, like most computer issues. And now I have it for long term use, just in case.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    Thickening your skin a bit and showing a bit of respect for those whose skills just "may" be beyond your comprehension. I, for one, found nothing condescending in OH_Smeg's post. It was after all a reply framed in response to "your" unfortunate choice of words. Consider that the vast majority of people responding to help with these questions are not typical Helpdesk technicians. Most of the ladies and gentlemen here would be more aptly referred to as "engineers".

    Please don't feel I am bashing you as I am not. Just pointing out that what you deem important in terms of unimaginable loss might differ somewhat in perspective than that of a large corportation.

    All of the above notwhithstanding, you would be wise to heed everything OH_Smeg stated for future referrence as it is all quite correct and could save you some grief in the future.

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    k1ngr4t

    Had a long day and was pretty upset/frustrated over this issue. My life isn't dependent on what's on the drive, but there's a lot of really important, be it sentimental or extremely time consuming, data on there that would really, REALLY upset me and set me back in several ways if I lost it.

    I'm not arguing with anybody that I shouldn't have kept such personal data on there, I just want to know how to use this damn program...

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    OH Smeg

    What's stopping you from just networking the old to the new system with a Cross Over Cable and transferring the data that way?

    Far more reliable and faster as it's not limited the the USB Interface/Port Speed. Not to mention not needing to recover the lost data on the external drive.

    I really do not want to get into a disagreement with you but long term use of a external Drive in a Non Vibrational enabled enclosure without Active Cooling is a recipe for disaster.

    But as many people say there are only two types of computer user those who have lost all of their data and those who are about to loose all of their data.

    However if you simply must use an External try one of these cases from Antec they are very good but I don't trust them all that much when the Data is Important.

    http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NDc=

    After being in the first group a couple of times you very quickly learn that you don't want to continue in that group so you learn to take steps so it doesn't happen again. Of course till then Close Enough is Good Enough. :^0

    Col

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    k1ngr4t

    The data was on the hard drive, not the laptop. I got the external because my laptops HDD wasn't big enough for my music. Now that I had my new desktop, I was putting everything onto my 500gig, but it was corrupted at some point.

    I don't want to get into an e-brawl either, you seem like a knowledgeable guy, all I'm saying is that with the proper care (ie proper enclosure, proper dismounting, and proper cooling) externals can be a good storage solution. You can even put something on them, and then shelf it somewhere safe, so it's only used when you need it. Sure you might have to **** the dust off if it's literally never used, but this can easily be done. I know people who do this and they have never had any problems. I could've treated mine better though, I won't deny that.

    Definitely won't disagree that internal is better. Sometimes you just don't have the option though. Anyways, thanks for your help. I already bought SpinRite so i'm going to learn to use it instead of taking it to somebody. Really I just wanted to know how to tell if it worked. Which whatever I did the first time didn't. Thanks again though.

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    sven

    Hi there you should use the deep scan and after that you should restart it and then it should work.

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    k1ngr4t

    I thought deep scan didn't recover lost data? Plus I already have SpinRite so...

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    Who Am I Really

    here's the problem:

    SpinRite works on the drive's Physical Sectors
    - on the 1's and 0's only,
    - not on file system clusters,

    it can recognize the file system structure
    however, it has not been programmed to rebuild corrupted (partition tables, FAT structures, MFT structures, Folder Hierarchy, etc.)
    when it encounters a damaged Folder structure it will inform you that it is damaged the same way it informs of a damaged file

    also its ability to work on external drives is limited to the interface the drive is connected to
    ie.
    SpinRite cannot read the SMART data from a drive connected to USB and certain SATA controllers

    Level 2 is the default testing level and Level 1 still reports physical problems

    a modern drive that makes it 5 years is an exception not the norm.

    others considerations,
    - incompatibility between the new system's newer OS and the 5 year old drive
    - av corruption of the drive (yes it can happen)
    - what was the file system on the external drive? (FAT32 / NTFS)?

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    k1ngr4t

    It's a NTFS drive. Is it absolutely necessary for the SMART data to be read? I probably misinterpreted what I read but I thought it wasn't necessary just recommended?

    I'm going to rerun it later tonight at the level 4 setting, probably will take all night so...

    It seems like what you're saying is that it probably won't work, which is VERY discouraging

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    seanferd

    Spinrite is great for maintenance, and good for recovery when the disk itself has problems.

    You, more than likely, have a data problem. As I have suggested above, use a partition checker/editor, then chkdsk. Actually, you can run chkdsk and see what it says - if it can't fix the problem due to a corrupt partition, you then know what tool you need.

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    Who Am I Really

    SpinRite can't recover volume corruption caused by bad software / failing hardware
    ie. viruses, Bad RAM, bad disk controller / cabling etc. can corrupt:
    - files,
    - the MFT,
    - the FAT (FAT/FAT32 volumes),
    - the MBR,
    etc.

    if the data is damaged from this then SpinRite can't do anything about it

    if the data was correct but in a damaged sector SpinRite may be able to correct the issue

    if you're not seeing any R's in the display, then it's not correcting any physical damage because there isn't any

    see pic for the screen I'm talking about

    http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz249/WhatNameShoudIUse/Photo-0004.jpg

    the R's are recovered physically damaged sectors

    the U is an unrecoverable sector

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    k1ngr4t

    I did see that screen, but there were no letters, only the full squares. I thought I did something wrong because there weren't any R's or U's. So I guess SpinRite isn't what I needed since there's no physical damage.

    What about Paragon Backup and Restore? I guess I have a data issue rather than physical, so do you know if that will help? Any other suggestions?

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    OH Smeg

    The best that I've ever used however is from On Track as it can repair damaged Partition Tables or recover Data but it has it's limits.

    Here I would suggest before proceeding any further to open the enclosure remove the drive and fit to a computer where you can test the drive with it's Makers Testing Utility. That will tell you what if any damage the drive has suffered. You can not accurately test the drive int he enclosure as most of the Drive Makers Software can not read the SMART Data through the USB Interface card so you get the wrong results.

    You can get the HDD makers Testing Utilities from here

    http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=287

    As for as Software goes this is what I tell most people at TR who ask

    All you need do is run one of the Many Data Recovery Programs preferably one that Rebuilds the Partition Information.

    Here is a short list of the better ones but it is by no means a complete list of all the available software.

    http://tinyurl.com/273ay5

    http://tinyurl.com/rmvrv

    http://tinyurl.com/yvrsl

    http://tinyurl.com/yyk8cm

    http://tinyurl.com/382vm

    http://tinyurl.com/ynwnel

    http://tinyurl.com/nc4kx

    http://tinyurl.com/2wox7l

    http://tinyurl.com/374d8b

    http://tinyurl.com/djw6u

    http://tinyurl.com/f73se

    http://tinyurl.com/8bd3f

    http://tinyurl.com/afu2j

    While the last 2 are from the same company they are very different products. Win Hex should only be considered for use by someone who knows Hex Inside Out while Davory is a great cheap General Purpose Application.

    Personally I prefer the On Track Option but it's anything but cheap. However because I use this type of software a lot it's paid for itself many times over by now, for a cheaper option Spin Rite from Gibson Research or Stella have both very good reputations by other TR members though you need to chose the right application for the failure that you are facing.


    Also as this drive has been in an external Enclosure make very sure that there are no signs of failure occurring. Check the SMART Diagnostics Warnings and pay particular attention to things like the drive being overheated. While Heat & Vibration are the most likely causes of failures of HDD any sign of the drive overheating is a sure sign that the drive is in the process of failing and going to Silicon Heaven.

    Col

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    seanferd

    Start → Run → type
    cmd
    in the box, and hit Enter.

    In the command window, type
    chkdsk /r
    and let it do its thing.

    It may fix your problem, or it may tell you what is wrong. Take notes. Let us know the result of the chkdsk.

    If a different utility is required, we can point you to an appropriate one.

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    k1ngr4t

    I'll run this first and see what happens, then I'm going to look into some of the links SMEG posted. Will definitely keep you guys "posted." (Get it? Posted? On a forum? lol.)

    I can't thank all of you enough by the way. You're all giving me great amounts of hope...

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    Who Am I Really

    I've heard of other tools,
    ie. "GetDataBack" etc.
    but never bothered to do any research into them,

    as I always keep duplicate volume sets for my data drives,
    for any type of data issue I just flatten the problem drive and restore from the other drive
    ie.
    what I store on D:\ is also on E:\ and so on

    even my externals are duplicated this way

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    k1ngr4t

    Tried the chkdsk method. In Win7 however you can't run it through the cmd prompt, but rather the properties of the HDD. However, when I tried to do that, it says "The disk check could not be performed because Windows can't access the disk."

    Any thoughts?

    Second Update: Used a trial version of "Recover Data" to scan the disk. I guess it found the problem, but you can only save the log. It show's all of the files on the drive that I want to recover, and there's one in red that says "Deleted Folder," so I assume that's the problem area...

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    Who Am I Really

    right click the Command Prompt icon and select "Run as Administrator"

    then type the following followed by the drive letter windows assigned the drive

    chkdsk /v /f

    /v = verbose
    /f = fix

    you can't use CHKDSK on a drive without a letter

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    k1ngr4t

    But I could not find the cmd prompt icon ANYWHERE. I searched for it, tried to open the file location and it just linked me to my desktop. Looked all over. I think in Win7 you have to use the search bar to find something like that, and it doesn't let you Run as Administrator.

    I'm really enjoying all the new features of Win7 EXCEPT this stupid administrator business. You'd think that if you are set as the computers administrator, you wouldn't have to right click every thing to run it...

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    seanferd

    just use Recuva or Recover My Files. They are free and not limited to just providing a log.

    When you do this - <b>recover the files to a <i>different</i> partition or drive.</b> If you do not, you probably will be overwriting files you want to recover.

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    k1ngr4t

    Should be done in about 2 hours, made sure to recover to a different drive. God I hope this works...

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    k1ngr4t

    Data was recovered.

    I ended up using EASEUS Data Recovery Wizard and got everything back. Again, I can't thank all of you enough, I would not have made it this far if it weren't for your help. Thank you again, and please stick around to help the next data loss victim in need!

    PS To SMEG, sorry for freaking out on you, was unnecessary and, like I said, was just really upset (and maybe a little drunk) at the time. Your help proved invaluable and I sincerely appreciate everything.

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    OH Smeg

    They are really helpful when it comes to finding out how it's going.

    Col

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    TonyKl

    if your file system is corrupted, spinrite can't fix that. it is, however, best that you run spinrite first to check HD health and recover data at level 2, then use use dskchk on file system if spinrite doesn't do the trick.
    *edit*
    almost forgot but Who Am i reminded me - the drive in question is best temporarily connected straight to the motherboard via SATA or IDE during spinrite's analysis and recovery.

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    k1ngr4t

    I've actually already solved this problem and learned this the expensive way. I bought SpinRite 6 in my moment of blind frustration, but at least now I have it for the future, in case I do come across physical damage of some sort, which is bound to happen at some point. It was a data problem and I used a simple, free data recovery program. Thanks anyways though.

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    seanferd

    Which is to keep an eye on the drive so you can see drive failure coming ahead of time.
    http://www.sysopt.com/tutorials/article.php/12034_3549006_1