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how do I configure a second IDE hard drive as an extention of the first,rat

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how do I configure a second IDE hard drive as an extention of the first,rat

strat4axe
Hi I'm just a beginner self build enthusiast who has run out of hard drive space,how can I extend the space on my main drive using another hard drive.I've got windows XP Pro as my operating system.I have added another hard drive and was told that with XP Pro I would get the option to use the partition as an extention to another directory in the first drive wheh using the partition wizard.However this didn't happen or I missed it.Twice!!?! I realize this is probably really basic to you, guys but any help for this short term fix until I get a decent size main drive would be much appreciated.Yours in hope Paul
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    DKeith45

    The way I do it is to put both drives on the same IDE cable. The primary drive on the end of the cable, the secondary drive on the middle connector. Setting both drives jumpers to CS is usually ok, but some drives need to be set as a Master/Slave combo. Primary drive Master, secondary drive Slave. If Windows boots and you don't see the new drive, you may need to download drive copy software from the makers website such as Maxblast for a Maxtor drive, Data Lifeguard for a WD drive etc...

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    strat4axe

    Just wanted to say a big thanQ for taking the time to send me an answer to my question,nice one Dkeith45 much apreciated Paul

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    mafergus

    you need to create a spanned disk volume, but you can only do this if you are using dynamic disks.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308424

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    Ron K.

    I've done a little bit of research but I still don't understand <i>why</i> someone would want to do that. With a C: drive there's always the risk of failure and spanning a volume to another drive would increase the risk and lose data on both drives if one failed, right? <br>
    I don't get it, mafergus. Could you please give me a brief example of why it's something worthwhile?

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    DKeith45

    I checked the link and still don't see why someone would want to do that. I see that it's possible under certain circumstances... but why? What did I miss?

    What the original questioner as a new computer user obviously needs is a Master/Slave combo OR a larger drive set up as the new boot drive with custom partitions OR a large USB drive for data storage. But the link was interesting all the same... learned something new today : )

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    Ron K.

    My reading comprehension skills are shot all to ****, lately.<br>
    I learned that you can create spanned volumes but I'm at a loss, yet, for a reason to do it. <br>

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    OH Smeg

    With a new user thinking that a Spanned Disc would solve their problem without introducing several others which may be worse than the original problem.

    They said that they where running out of Disc Space so by fitting another drive and setting it up as a Spanned Volume they thought that this would cure the Low Disc Space issue. Which on the surface it would but as this is a new user they don't understand the limitations that are imposed by using a Spanned Volume.

    Or maybe my reading comprehension is all shot to **** I I didn't understand the original Posters question.

    Col

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    Ron K.

    I lost track.

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    santeewelding

    As I follow this one and so many others, that a single user on a standalone attempting to keep his whole life on an active machine, would be better off taking a class in log-rolling.

    Google, the federal government, enterprises larger and smaller -- that's a different story. They're committed to balls-out implementation of the best and latest and most complicated, with all controls pertaining thereto.

    I've resorted to fired clay tablets I keep out back in a shed, on the floor, so they can't fall any further and break.

    Every so often I look them over and wonder, "Why the **** am I keeping these things?"

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    Ron K.

    What about backup tablets?

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    mafergus

    Dynamic disks were designed to allow cheap (read not reliable) RAID implementations using the OS VS using Hardware. It also had some neat features that were supposed to make stand volumes better.

    The spanning feature was a useful when drives were smaller. When 2000 came out desktops were only running 10-20GB for normal users and it was close to $300 for a standard 9GB ultra wide SCSI drive for servers. Spanning was available as an option.

    Now drives are about as expensive as water, many disk utilities like partition magic wouldn't even support dynamic volumes for any advanced features, and the process of converting back to a basic disk was painful so it never really caught on.

    I may have fallen into the IT trap of answering what I believe the question was. Not a critique on what the preferred direction to give this individual may be.

    Or maybe, I am just reading too damn much non-fiction these days.

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    Ron K.

    Your explanation knocked the dust off of a couple of memories. I believe that I once knew more about spanned volumes. It sure sounds familiar.

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    DKeith45

    Wow... your explanation makes total sense MaFergus. Thanks much.

    I still have a Quantum Bigfoot 6 gig, 5 1/4" drive and a couple of 3 1/2" drives under 10 gig laying around from the turn of the century and spanning drives like those makes perfect sense now... not that I will ever, lol... but I can see why you would have wanted to back in the day.

    I think the original questioner knew he needed more space, but didn't know the exact words to use... and in the process of answering his question, some of us others learned something new : ))))

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    Who Am I Really

    you have three options:
    one already mentioned
    1> Spanned volumes
    where the next disk is an extension of the first

    2 & 3 are much easier to implement

    2> Mount Point / Junction Point
    - a> install the disk according to the specifications, correct jumpers etc.
    - b> open computer management (right click my computer on the desktop & select manage)
    then locate disk management,
    - c> find the new disk in disk management, and create a new primary partition & format it with or without a drive letter,
    - d> with disk management still open, right click on the new partition and select "Change Drive Letters & Paths"
    - e> in the dialog that pops up select
    - "Add" and then select
    - "Mount in Empty NTFS Folder"
    - Browse the C:\ Drive and look for or create a New Empty Folder where the new disk will be accessed from and will act as though it's part of the C:\

    or
    3> just accept the new drive letter assignment and access it from windows explorer

    see here for more details:
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307889

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    DKeith45

    The way I do it is to put both drives on the same IDE cable. The primary drive on the end of the cable, the secondary drive on the middle connector. Setting both drives jumpers to CS is usually ok, but some drives need to be set as a Master/Slave combo. Primary drive Master, secondary drive Slave. If Windows boots and you don't see the new drive, you may need to download drive copy software from the makers website such as Maxblast for a Maxtor drive, Data Lifeguard for a WD drive etc...

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    strat4axe

    Just wanted to say a big thanQ for taking the time to send me an answer to my question,nice one Dkeith45 much apreciated Paul

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    mafergus

    you need to create a spanned disk volume, but you can only do this if you are using dynamic disks.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308424

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    Ron K.

    I've done a little bit of research but I still don't understand <i>why</i> someone would want to do that. With a C: drive there's always the risk of failure and spanning a volume to another drive would increase the risk and lose data on both drives if one failed, right? <br>
    I don't get it, mafergus. Could you please give me a brief example of why it's something worthwhile?

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    DKeith45

    I checked the link and still don't see why someone would want to do that. I see that it's possible under certain circumstances... but why? What did I miss?

    What the original questioner as a new computer user obviously needs is a Master/Slave combo OR a larger drive set up as the new boot drive with custom partitions OR a large USB drive for data storage. But the link was interesting all the same... learned something new today : )

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    Ron K.

    My reading comprehension skills are shot all to ****, lately.<br>
    I learned that you can create spanned volumes but I'm at a loss, yet, for a reason to do it. <br>

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    OH Smeg

    With a new user thinking that a Spanned Disc would solve their problem without introducing several others which may be worse than the original problem.

    They said that they where running out of Disc Space so by fitting another drive and setting it up as a Spanned Volume they thought that this would cure the Low Disc Space issue. Which on the surface it would but as this is a new user they don't understand the limitations that are imposed by using a Spanned Volume.

    Or maybe my reading comprehension is all shot to **** I I didn't understand the original Posters question.

    Col

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    Ron K.

    I lost track.

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    santeewelding

    As I follow this one and so many others, that a single user on a standalone attempting to keep his whole life on an active machine, would be better off taking a class in log-rolling.

    Google, the federal government, enterprises larger and smaller -- that's a different story. They're committed to balls-out implementation of the best and latest and most complicated, with all controls pertaining thereto.

    I've resorted to fired clay tablets I keep out back in a shed, on the floor, so they can't fall any further and break.

    Every so often I look them over and wonder, "Why the **** am I keeping these things?"

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    Ron K.

    What about backup tablets?

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    mafergus

    Dynamic disks were designed to allow cheap (read not reliable) RAID implementations using the OS VS using Hardware. It also had some neat features that were supposed to make stand volumes better.

    The spanning feature was a useful when drives were smaller. When 2000 came out desktops were only running 10-20GB for normal users and it was close to $300 for a standard 9GB ultra wide SCSI drive for servers. Spanning was available as an option.

    Now drives are about as expensive as water, many disk utilities like partition magic wouldn't even support dynamic volumes for any advanced features, and the process of converting back to a basic disk was painful so it never really caught on.

    I may have fallen into the IT trap of answering what I believe the question was. Not a critique on what the preferred direction to give this individual may be.

    Or maybe, I am just reading too damn much non-fiction these days.

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    Ron K.

    Your explanation knocked the dust off of a couple of memories. I believe that I once knew more about spanned volumes. It sure sounds familiar.

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    DKeith45

    Wow... your explanation makes total sense MaFergus. Thanks much.

    I still have a Quantum Bigfoot 6 gig, 5 1/4" drive and a couple of 3 1/2" drives under 10 gig laying around from the turn of the century and spanning drives like those makes perfect sense now... not that I will ever, lol... but I can see why you would have wanted to back in the day.

    I think the original questioner knew he needed more space, but didn't know the exact words to use... and in the process of answering his question, some of us others learned something new : ))))

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    Who Am I Really

    you have three options:
    one already mentioned
    1> Spanned volumes
    where the next disk is an extension of the first

    2 & 3 are much easier to implement

    2> Mount Point / Junction Point
    - a> install the disk according to the specifications, correct jumpers etc.
    - b> open computer management (right click my computer on the desktop & select manage)
    then locate disk management,
    - c> find the new disk in disk management, and create a new primary partition & format it with or without a drive letter,
    - d> with disk management still open, right click on the new partition and select "Change Drive Letters & Paths"
    - e> in the dialog that pops up select
    - "Add" and then select
    - "Mount in Empty NTFS Folder"
    - Browse the C:\ Drive and look for or create a New Empty Folder where the new disk will be accessed from and will act as though it's part of the C:\

    or
    3> just accept the new drive letter assignment and access it from windows explorer

    see here for more details:
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307889