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How do we go from Vista to XP?

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How do we go from Vista to XP?

samscats
We have an iMac and recently purchased an HP Pavilion. We were XP people and seem to to have found lots of the bad things Vista is becoming famous for. Since Vista came already installed and without disks, we don't know how to go about getting rid of it and installing XP. Any ideas?
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    LarryD4

    If your purchased an HP box with Vista on it then your stuck with that license on that box.

    You could purchase a new XP license or you could call HP and ask for a XP install because you don't like Vista, they may send it to you.

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    jbaviera

    I too have an HP(DV9000) that came pre-bloated with Vista. I also have a DV6000 that is four months older that came with XP-MCE. HP told me that they can't give me an XP recovery DVD set because they didn't have drivers for it. After researching the hardware on both machines, I found that BOTH have the SAME hardware. I did have to purchase an XP Pro license, but the DV9000 flies...

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    ---TK---

    is just as fast as XP and just as stable... If you want to tweak it some check this blog, and it will speed it up a little.
    http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=819

    but if you really want XP on the box link:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116515
    **I would make sure you can find all the drivers for your machine before you install... It can be a real nightmare if you don't have them.

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    samscats

    though in (legal) download form.

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    ---TK---

    is it a .ISO? or something else?

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    samscats

    We can (legally!) download either the full program or an ISO. I believe the program download is preferable.

    Merry Christmas to all -- and enjoy my birthday (no kidding; this really is my birthday).

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    nhorley

    HI,

    I have done some recent installs of new workstations for clients, where XP was needed. However, most new machines come with Vista pre-installed. Most vendors (Acer in this case), supplied a recovery CD with XP licence on it.
    Simple matter of running their recovery component and follow the prompts - voila! XP on new box with all appropriate drivers.
    Neil Horley
    Australia

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    sykandtyed

    But hp has propriety hardware and finding drivers for the sound, video and wifi was like pulling teeth, very painful.
    It took over 2 hours just to pin down the exact model and hp still post a little box that says "Not our item". Yet the schematics are correct.

    I finnally used the backup cds I created and went back to Vista and it's annoying "Permission to continue" nag screen and having to change individual security permission.

    Just get use to it . It's just as fast if you dump all that crapware and startups.

    Good luck and Happy Holidays.

    wtortorici1@gmail,\.com

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    samscats

    What exactly is the crapware and startups? Remember, we have been Mac'd for quite some time so I am not used to this stuff!

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    OH Smeg

    It's all the junk that HP supplies with the system that is unnecessary. Many items that are supplied with these units are just a waste of Disc Space & Clock Cycles you should remove everything that you are not using.

    You should also create a Recovery Set as per the Destructions supplied by HP so you have at the very least a Recovery Set available when something goes wrong. Just remember if the HDD fails the Recovery Partition disappears when you replace the Old HDD. :)

    Col

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    rajan.sowri

    I also faced similar problem when my laptop came with vista. But I had to do a lot of research on google and TechRepublic to overcome drivers compatibility. I had Sound Card problem too. With little patience and lot of research, you can easily make Vista work. For wirless network, Vista is the best to adopt. Don't lose heart. Keep on trying and you will win.

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    antuck

    As was mentioned, you can buy a copy of XP and install it. But before you do that , make sure you can get all of the drivers. Sometimes you will be able to get drivers to fall back to XP and sometimes you will not.

    Also, HP will have a feature to make your own recovery disk. Make sure to do that before trying the install. I think if you go into all programs, there should be a listing for recovery disk maker. That way if XP gives you a problem you will have the recovery disk to fall back on.

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    kennyschachat

    As others have pointed out, you obviously need to have a legitimate XP license and installation media. Aside from buying a copy of XP or getting one from HP, you may also have a currently unused license from a now discarded PC (assuming that this older copy of XP is not being used by anyone else).

    Before you begin the installation, it's essential that, at the minimum, you have drivers for your *network adapter* and any other hardware that's essential for booting into Windows. The HP web site should have downloadable hardware drivers for your PC. You'll want to burn them to a CD before you start (otherwise, how will you get them to the PC?). You may also want to make a note of the working Vista TCP/IP settings before hand.

    Then, it's simply a matter of setting your BIOS to boot from a CD and rebooting with the XP CD. The XP installation will have an option to format the drive, which you should do, and after that it's just a standard XP install.

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    ikg83

    Well i have a pavilion as well and it came with vista which i hate with a passion to get your Hp back to vista you need two disk windows 98 and windows xp pro. Use the windows 98 to boot up your computer and then reformat when done u can use the xp disk to install xp depending on your system you can go to HP online and get the drivers for your particular model. if there is any other question feel free to ask hope this helps
    Kirk
    Griffcom.net

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    Jacky Howe

    Before you go down this path there are a few things to check. If you can't get XP drivers you may as well forget the project.
    <br><br>
    If it is a brand name PC or NoteBook check the manufacturers site for XP drivers especially the Chipset, Video and Network. With Vista preinstalled some manufacturers will supply an XP Recovery CD. If you have access to that CD you can boot from it and it will install the Operating System and set it up for you. You wont need the rest of these instructions.
    <br><br>
    If it is an IBM clone you will need to find out the Motherboard ID to be able to source the drivers. Download CPU-Z and extract it to a folder. Run cpuz.exe and click on About and under Tools you will see Registers Dump (.txt) click on it and save the file. You will be looking for Mainboard Model and you can Google it to find the drivers for it. You may also need to slipstream Sata drivers into your XP install CD. See instructions below.
    <br><br>
    http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
    <br><br>
    When you have the necessary drivers and your XP CD you can proceed with the installation. Copy your Drivers and Antivirus software to a CD or a USB Stick. Check in the BIOS to make sure that the Boot sequence is set to Boot from the CD/DVD first. One of these keys should get you in.
    <br><br>
    Common BIOS entry Keys
    <br><br>
    F1
    <br>
    F2
    <br>
    DEL
    <br>
    ESC
    <br>
    F10
    <br><br>
    You will know when to press this key when they see a message similar to the below example as the computer is booting. Some older computers may also display a flashing block to indicate when to press the F1 or F2 keys.
    <br><br>
    Press <F2> to enter BIOS setup
    <br><br>
    Tip: Hold a Key down, this will cause a stuck key error, which may allow you to enter the BIOS setup.
    <br><br>
    You will have to remove the Vista Primary Partition and recreate a Primary Partition before you can install XP.
    <br><br>
    Perform a clean install of Windows XP and delete the Primary Partition and recreate the Primary Partition on the fly.
    <br><br>
    1. Start your computer from the Windows XP CD. To do this, insert the Windows XP CD into your CD drive or DVD drive, and then restart your computer.
    <br><br>
    2. When you see the "Press any key to boot from CD" message, press any key to start the computer from the Windows XP CD.
    <br><br>
    3. At the Welcome to Setup screen, press ENTER to start Windows XP Setup.
    <br><br>
    4. Read the Microsoft Software License Terms, and then press F8.
    <br><br>
    5. Follow the instructions on the screen to select and format a partition where you want to install Windows XP. At this stage you can select to delete the Primary Partition <b> C: Partition1 </b> and recreate it. Then continue with the install.
    <br><br>
    6. Follow the instructions on the screen to complete Windows XP Setup. Install the Motherboard drivers and your Antivirus. It is a good idea to have a copy of your Antivirus to be able to install it before going on the internet.
    <br><br>
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316941/en-us
    <br><br>
    Good Luck
    <br><br>
    How To: Slipstream your XP installation
    <br><br>
    Download nLite
    <br><br>
    http://home.midmaine.com/~nlite/nlite/nLite-1.4.8.installer.exe
    <br><br>
    These are the steps that I took
    <br>
    Download the Sata Drivers from the manufactures web site.
    <br><br>
    Installed Nlite
    <br>
    Extracted Sata Drivers to a folder named Sata
    <br>
    Copied the entire XP CD to a folder named XPS
    <br><br>
    Ran Nlite and Browsed to the XPS folder, Next, next then selected Drivers and Bootable ISO click next
    <br>
    At the Drivers Tab click insert, single driver and navigate to the folder with the inf for windows XP.
    <br>
    Highlight it and select open and select next. Select Textmode driver and select the XP Sata driver and click OK.
    <br>
    Click next and Yes to apply changes, next and select Make ISO. Use Nero or similar to burn it to a CD.
    <br><br>
    < missed a bit >
    </br>

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    Esther.akello

    Hi sam try and use an XP bootable CD which has got SATA drivers on it. usually why Vista computers seem not to be downgradable is because it has sata drives hence once you have sata drivers on your XP bootable then you are in business.

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    ivanpopov2005

    won't it be easier to install win XP from a USB stick? the CD/DVD drives may give a message that they can't read the XP installaton disk on a Vista computer.

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    Esther.akello

    Hi sam try and use an XP bootable CD which has got SATA drivers on it. usually why Vista computers seem not to be downgradable is because it has sata drives hence once you have sata drivers on your XP bootable then you are in business.Esther

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    jmart23

    I have of corse heard all the bad rap that Vista has - I don't agree - I have four grandchildren living with me as well as a grown son.

    We are computer poor 3 using Vista Ultima and 3 (counting my company laptop) using XP and one old laptop that has 98 on it.

    My grand kids change form XP to Vista and back and I don't even think they notice. The Windows-98 laptop is used by my wife and she changes from one to the other and has no problems.

    I have one 64 bit machine that I have had some problems with getting 64 bit drivers but that is not the programs fault it is the printer or scanners manafactures fault for not suppling the drivers.

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    samscats

    it's because we keep experiencing freezes of all programs (when only two are open, by the way -- we're not stressing out the poor dear). Having read that that, and other things, are common to Vista, and since we do have a legal, up to date XP (not a leftover from an antique Dell or something), it seems as if going back is smart. That's why we are considering bothering!

    Happy holidays!

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    ThumbsUp2

    I don't want to try and convince you to leave Vista installed. Far from it. But, if this machine is still under warranty, you should try to work with HP to determine the nature of the freezes before you do anything else to it.

    Contrary to what you've heard about freezes being common to Vista, especially freezing all of the time like you described, freezes are a sign that something is wrong and it's not always the Operating System that's at fault. Wiping the OS won't help you or HP determine what it is that IS wrong. Could be hardware failure. Could be not enough RAM in the machine to run the programs you're trying to run. Could be old software that isn't Vista compatible. Could be anything! But, if you don't consult HP before you go any further, you could invalidate your warranty and then find out later that you've got an expensive boat anchor that you can't get repaired under warranty and will need to dump more money into it just to get it up and running.

    Figure out the cause(s) of the freezing up now, while it's under warranty. Once you get that straightened out and later, if you still want to move back to XP, we'll be here to help you through it.

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    LarryD4

    If your purchased an HP box with Vista on it then your stuck with that license on that box.

    You could purchase a new XP license or you could call HP and ask for a XP install because you don't like Vista, they may send it to you.

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    jbaviera

    I too have an HP(DV9000) that came pre-bloated with Vista. I also have a DV6000 that is four months older that came with XP-MCE. HP told me that they can't give me an XP recovery DVD set because they didn't have drivers for it. After researching the hardware on both machines, I found that BOTH have the SAME hardware. I did have to purchase an XP Pro license, but the DV9000 flies...

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    ---TK---

    is just as fast as XP and just as stable... If you want to tweak it some check this blog, and it will speed it up a little.
    http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=819

    but if you really want XP on the box link:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116515
    **I would make sure you can find all the drivers for your machine before you install... It can be a real nightmare if you don't have them.

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    samscats

    though in (legal) download form.

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    ---TK---

    is it a .ISO? or something else?

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    samscats

    We can (legally!) download either the full program or an ISO. I believe the program download is preferable.

    Merry Christmas to all -- and enjoy my birthday (no kidding; this really is my birthday).

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    nhorley

    HI,

    I have done some recent installs of new workstations for clients, where XP was needed. However, most new machines come with Vista pre-installed. Most vendors (Acer in this case), supplied a recovery CD with XP licence on it.
    Simple matter of running their recovery component and follow the prompts - voila! XP on new box with all appropriate drivers.
    Neil Horley
    Australia

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    sykandtyed

    But hp has propriety hardware and finding drivers for the sound, video and wifi was like pulling teeth, very painful.
    It took over 2 hours just to pin down the exact model and hp still post a little box that says "Not our item". Yet the schematics are correct.

    I finnally used the backup cds I created and went back to Vista and it's annoying "Permission to continue" nag screen and having to change individual security permission.

    Just get use to it . It's just as fast if you dump all that crapware and startups.

    Good luck and Happy Holidays.

    wtortorici1@gmail,\.com

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    samscats

    What exactly is the crapware and startups? Remember, we have been Mac'd for quite some time so I am not used to this stuff!

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    OH Smeg

    It's all the junk that HP supplies with the system that is unnecessary. Many items that are supplied with these units are just a waste of Disc Space & Clock Cycles you should remove everything that you are not using.

    You should also create a Recovery Set as per the Destructions supplied by HP so you have at the very least a Recovery Set available when something goes wrong. Just remember if the HDD fails the Recovery Partition disappears when you replace the Old HDD. :)

    Col

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    rajan.sowri

    I also faced similar problem when my laptop came with vista. But I had to do a lot of research on google and TechRepublic to overcome drivers compatibility. I had Sound Card problem too. With little patience and lot of research, you can easily make Vista work. For wirless network, Vista is the best to adopt. Don't lose heart. Keep on trying and you will win.

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    antuck

    As was mentioned, you can buy a copy of XP and install it. But before you do that , make sure you can get all of the drivers. Sometimes you will be able to get drivers to fall back to XP and sometimes you will not.

    Also, HP will have a feature to make your own recovery disk. Make sure to do that before trying the install. I think if you go into all programs, there should be a listing for recovery disk maker. That way if XP gives you a problem you will have the recovery disk to fall back on.

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    kennyschachat

    As others have pointed out, you obviously need to have a legitimate XP license and installation media. Aside from buying a copy of XP or getting one from HP, you may also have a currently unused license from a now discarded PC (assuming that this older copy of XP is not being used by anyone else).

    Before you begin the installation, it's essential that, at the minimum, you have drivers for your *network adapter* and any other hardware that's essential for booting into Windows. The HP web site should have downloadable hardware drivers for your PC. You'll want to burn them to a CD before you start (otherwise, how will you get them to the PC?). You may also want to make a note of the working Vista TCP/IP settings before hand.

    Then, it's simply a matter of setting your BIOS to boot from a CD and rebooting with the XP CD. The XP installation will have an option to format the drive, which you should do, and after that it's just a standard XP install.

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    ikg83

    Well i have a pavilion as well and it came with vista which i hate with a passion to get your Hp back to vista you need two disk windows 98 and windows xp pro. Use the windows 98 to boot up your computer and then reformat when done u can use the xp disk to install xp depending on your system you can go to HP online and get the drivers for your particular model. if there is any other question feel free to ask hope this helps
    Kirk
    Griffcom.net

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    Jacky Howe

    Before you go down this path there are a few things to check. If you can't get XP drivers you may as well forget the project.
    <br><br>
    If it is a brand name PC or NoteBook check the manufacturers site for XP drivers especially the Chipset, Video and Network. With Vista preinstalled some manufacturers will supply an XP Recovery CD. If you have access to that CD you can boot from it and it will install the Operating System and set it up for you. You wont need the rest of these instructions.
    <br><br>
    If it is an IBM clone you will need to find out the Motherboard ID to be able to source the drivers. Download CPU-Z and extract it to a folder. Run cpuz.exe and click on About and under Tools you will see Registers Dump (.txt) click on it and save the file. You will be looking for Mainboard Model and you can Google it to find the drivers for it. You may also need to slipstream Sata drivers into your XP install CD. See instructions below.
    <br><br>
    http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
    <br><br>
    When you have the necessary drivers and your XP CD you can proceed with the installation. Copy your Drivers and Antivirus software to a CD or a USB Stick. Check in the BIOS to make sure that the Boot sequence is set to Boot from the CD/DVD first. One of these keys should get you in.
    <br><br>
    Common BIOS entry Keys
    <br><br>
    F1
    <br>
    F2
    <br>
    DEL
    <br>
    ESC
    <br>
    F10
    <br><br>
    You will know when to press this key when they see a message similar to the below example as the computer is booting. Some older computers may also display a flashing block to indicate when to press the F1 or F2 keys.
    <br><br>
    Press <F2> to enter BIOS setup
    <br><br>
    Tip: Hold a Key down, this will cause a stuck key error, which may allow you to enter the BIOS setup.
    <br><br>
    You will have to remove the Vista Primary Partition and recreate a Primary Partition before you can install XP.
    <br><br>
    Perform a clean install of Windows XP and delete the Primary Partition and recreate the Primary Partition on the fly.
    <br><br>
    1. Start your computer from the Windows XP CD. To do this, insert the Windows XP CD into your CD drive or DVD drive, and then restart your computer.
    <br><br>
    2. When you see the "Press any key to boot from CD" message, press any key to start the computer from the Windows XP CD.
    <br><br>
    3. At the Welcome to Setup screen, press ENTER to start Windows XP Setup.
    <br><br>
    4. Read the Microsoft Software License Terms, and then press F8.
    <br><br>
    5. Follow the instructions on the screen to select and format a partition where you want to install Windows XP. At this stage you can select to delete the Primary Partition <b> C: Partition1 </b> and recreate it. Then continue with the install.
    <br><br>
    6. Follow the instructions on the screen to complete Windows XP Setup. Install the Motherboard drivers and your Antivirus. It is a good idea to have a copy of your Antivirus to be able to install it before going on the internet.
    <br><br>
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316941/en-us
    <br><br>
    Good Luck
    <br><br>
    How To: Slipstream your XP installation
    <br><br>
    Download nLite
    <br><br>
    http://home.midmaine.com/~nlite/nlite/nLite-1.4.8.installer.exe
    <br><br>
    These are the steps that I took
    <br>
    Download the Sata Drivers from the manufactures web site.
    <br><br>
    Installed Nlite
    <br>
    Extracted Sata Drivers to a folder named Sata
    <br>
    Copied the entire XP CD to a folder named XPS
    <br><br>
    Ran Nlite and Browsed to the XPS folder, Next, next then selected Drivers and Bootable ISO click next
    <br>
    At the Drivers Tab click insert, single driver and navigate to the folder with the inf for windows XP.
    <br>
    Highlight it and select open and select next. Select Textmode driver and select the XP Sata driver and click OK.
    <br>
    Click next and Yes to apply changes, next and select Make ISO. Use Nero or similar to burn it to a CD.
    <br><br>
    < missed a bit >
    </br>

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    Esther.akello

    Hi sam try and use an XP bootable CD which has got SATA drivers on it. usually why Vista computers seem not to be downgradable is because it has sata drives hence once you have sata drivers on your XP bootable then you are in business.

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    ivanpopov2005

    won't it be easier to install win XP from a USB stick? the CD/DVD drives may give a message that they can't read the XP installaton disk on a Vista computer.

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    Esther.akello

    Hi sam try and use an XP bootable CD which has got SATA drivers on it. usually why Vista computers seem not to be downgradable is because it has sata drives hence once you have sata drivers on your XP bootable then you are in business.Esther

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    jmart23

    I have of corse heard all the bad rap that Vista has - I don't agree - I have four grandchildren living with me as well as a grown son.

    We are computer poor 3 using Vista Ultima and 3 (counting my company laptop) using XP and one old laptop that has 98 on it.

    My grand kids change form XP to Vista and back and I don't even think they notice. The Windows-98 laptop is used by my wife and she changes from one to the other and has no problems.

    I have one 64 bit machine that I have had some problems with getting 64 bit drivers but that is not the programs fault it is the printer or scanners manafactures fault for not suppling the drivers.

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    samscats

    it's because we keep experiencing freezes of all programs (when only two are open, by the way -- we're not stressing out the poor dear). Having read that that, and other things, are common to Vista, and since we do have a legal, up to date XP (not a leftover from an antique Dell or something), it seems as if going back is smart. That's why we are considering bothering!

    Happy holidays!

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    ThumbsUp2

    I don't want to try and convince you to leave Vista installed. Far from it. But, if this machine is still under warranty, you should try to work with HP to determine the nature of the freezes before you do anything else to it.

    Contrary to what you've heard about freezes being common to Vista, especially freezing all of the time like you described, freezes are a sign that something is wrong and it's not always the Operating System that's at fault. Wiping the OS won't help you or HP determine what it is that IS wrong. Could be hardware failure. Could be not enough RAM in the machine to run the programs you're trying to run. Could be old software that isn't Vista compatible. Could be anything! But, if you don't consult HP before you go any further, you could invalidate your warranty and then find out later that you've got an expensive boat anchor that you can't get repaired under warranty and will need to dump more money into it just to get it up and running.

    Figure out the cause(s) of the freezing up now, while it's under warranty. Once you get that straightened out and later, if you still want to move back to XP, we'll be here to help you through it.