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How good are no-frills DVDs?

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How good are no-frills DVDs?

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Recently I keep getting problem burning DVDs on my laptop. I have I/O error using ImgBurn or Free Easy Burner. There seems to be no problem reading but writing. I read the ImgBurn forum with the specific error messages. They all seem to say the media is not compatible with the drive and suggest to use the Verbatim DVD-R.and so on. Read http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=8000.

Is there real incompatibility issue with DVD media and burners? They all seem to say we can no longer buy any cheap and no-frills DVD. The problem happens on a few computers so far.
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    OH Smeg

    There are way too many possibilities here ranging from things out of your control like the Blanks being exposed to sunlight somewhere in the supply chain to the more likely thing a change in the Dye's used in the Blanks which is no lingers compactable with your Optical Drive.

    Different Blue Dyes can work while some may not work with some DVD Burners or conversely if you leave discs in the Burner a lot of the time the LED can be losing Intensity and is no longer capable of burning blanks.

    I have had bad lots of Discs from different suppliers in both DVD and CD Formats over the years and generally speaking just changing the supplier will cure the problem provided that the Burner isn't on it's way to Silicon Heaven. If the Drive is losing intensity on one type of Optical Disc it may work perfectly on the other type so lets say that the CD is no longer capable of being burnt in no way implies that a DVD will not be burnable or vice versa. As there are different colour LEDs involved in burning/reading DVD to CD it is quite possible that one is on it's way out while the other is in perfect condition.

    Col

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    Healer

    Thanks Col. You are always there and the first one to respond. It looks like you sleep there. :)

    I am not too sure how dyestuff relates to burning DVD. However, you seem to say the media are most likely the problem.

    Is there any specific brands or types of DVDs that you know of are far more reliable?

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    OH Smeg

    The Dye Lot actually is the color of the Data Side of the Blank DVD.

    These vary from some form of Blue to Silver as the main ones but there are other colors and the color even within the Blue Dyes are very different from each other. With most NB's DVD Burners they like only some of the available Dies or Blanks so I tend to use Sony, TDK or Verbatim Blanks in NB Drives but as I buy them by the thousand wholesale I'm most defiantly not the average user.

    Granted I prefer Desktop Drives to burn things in but when Push comes to Shove I'll use one of the NB's that I need to carry about if there is nothing else available. The last DVD that I burnt was a TDK that I bought after the Daughters Wedding and copied the pictures out of several cameras to a Disc than copied it 6 or so times for various guests. That went well without any incident but I've also used the Aldi Blanks over the years with success as well.

    When it comes to brands I've seen some very expensive ones really play up with 8 different Drives over 5 different computers and I've used some cheap nasty Blanks over the years as well without problem.

    Col

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    Healer

    Your first response seemed to put a lot of emphasis on the dyes of the DVD blanks. So I supposed the use of dyes was a technical issue which threw me.

    All in all, it sounds like a very complicated problem to solve. It seems to me it can only be a matter of trial and error and I need to buy more and try them out.

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    OH Smeg

    It can be a bit of Trial and Error particularly with NB Burners as they don't seem to be as forgiving as a Desktop Burner.

    Then to make matters worse the House Brand Blanks may not continue to be supplied by the same maker. You can get the position where a Buyer switches suppliers but the end product continues to be in the same packaging so it's not really a definitive reference.

    You need to understand that DVD Blanks are just a plastic Disc with the coatings literally painted onto the Disc. The Data Side instead of being protected by a layer of Plastic like it is on a Manufactured Disc is directly exposed to the air and the Dye changes color depending if it is a 1 or a 0 and the light is reflected or not accordingly.

    As the Dye is directly exposed to the air it is more subject to contaminates that can be chemical in nature like Fly Spray getting onto the Blanks while the room is being sprayed or Air Freshener. Both of those can react with the Dyes and cause problems.

    Col

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    robo_dev

    Overall my observation is that laptop DVD drives are fairly picky (and very fragile).

    Most laptops use a very delicate snap-in center hub design and a flimsy plastic tray, and I've seen these get really flaky as they get used a bit. If by any chance the device has been exposed to cigarette smoke, or a dusty environment, that won't help either. A DVD lens-cleaner disk can help.

    I've worked with good solid DVD burners in desktops that will burn at any speed on any old media, my favoites are either Sony or TSST (Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology).

    If you burn a ton of DVDs on a laptop, the easy fix is to get an external DVD burner drive, preferably USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt interface if you have it.

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    Healer

    In fact I was working on a friend's desktop Lenovo M58e ThinkCentre computer which was just about one year old. I am not too sure what sort of burner it has. That was the first time he tried to use the burner and in this case to copy a DVD and I was showing him how to. He bought a spindle of 50 DVDs not long ago. I presume they are just the cheapest available at the shop at the time.

    Since the project failed on his computer I brought home the original DVD together with some of his blank DVDs and tried on my laptop. The same problems happen. I have even tried with my blank DVDs. They are just the same.

    My friend and I hardly burn DVDs and the like.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    and the cost has little to do with the quality. Generally, Verbatim is a good choice. So is Taiyo Yuden if you are purchasing say 100 or more. The URL posted by yourself isn't feeding you bad information by any means. That said, it isn't that they are claiming incompatible media and hardware. The claim is that many -yes, even most- brands of blank media available are just plain junk. And this is true. Here is a site that expounds on the subject a bit more. http://forums.adobe. com/thread/492540 . (Remove the space immediately preceeding "com" for the url to work) Scroll down to Posts 5, 7, 9 and 12, all posts by LordSmurf on that forum. My experiences -though not nearly so technical as his- mirror what he has to say about the subject. I am a firm believer in imgburn as well. I trust it and nothing else when burning any optical media. Most of the packages offered along with most manufactured computers have proven to be problematic to me. Nero, Roxio, etc. Use Imgburn, set the burn speed to 1x and imgburn will automatically correct the speed to the native burn speed of the disc being burned. So foot the cost of Verbatim or buy Taiyo Yuden in bulk. Incidentally, its worthy of note that TY -a relative newcomer in the blank media industry made its name in its quality. You will rarely see an advertisement from them. Yet, they are well known for their product. Almost as well known for quality as Ritek is for junk.

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    Healer

    What LordSmurf says is very technical? I have been trying to find out the difference between DVD-R and DVD+R and why DVD-R only is recommended. What do we usually get by default from the shops? Do all burners and software applications work on those with single layer and double layers.

    After reading all these, especially LordSmurf's, my understanding is as clear as mud. You all seem to say I still need to do trial and error because no costly blanks guarantee to work all the time whereas cheapies could work too. In fact I burned few DVDs especially in the recent times. All the time I bought the cheapest available and they all worked until last few days when I wanted to burn one. I found those blanks from the spindle that used to work on my laptop before no longer work.

    By the way, I have a question on the side. Why do some people like you have a URL split up with a space while posted in a forum? What is the purpose? I didn't do it because I don't know of a reason. Is it something of etiquette?

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    Slayer_

    I didn't even know those DVD's were different. I usually just buy the cheapest and I have never had an issue.
    If it makes any difference, I use the free program Deepburner.

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    Healer

    Thanks for chiming in.
    I never had problem with cheapies until last few days.
    Those that worked before no longer work. Again I hardly burn DVDs. I wonder if they deteriorate after a long storage even in the shade and a cool place.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    In my experience, burning mostly Operating System discs and movies, I have encountered bunk blanks from just about everywhere at one time or another. That is until I read up a bit and found a brand/vendor I like and since have had absolutely no problems whatsoever.

    I buy CD and DVD media in 100 disc spools. Having a shop I go through them like shop towels in an automotive mechanic shop. I have found the Taiyo Yuden brand to be very dependable and relatively inexpensive. At Supermediastore.com, I usually pick up the DVDs at less than .25 cents apiece shipping and all. It does fluctuate a little bit at times.
    A quick synopsis of the points made by LordSmurf in the forum earlier referred to is that DVD+R media production is overseen by a group that keeps the format up to a given standard especially where Video is concerned. As this forum deals with producers of video, this would be particularly advantageous to them. Long story short, you are likely much better off simply purchasing the +R for all around general purpose usage. As far as my experiences go, I usually purchase the TY -R and have never had a problem with them. Then too I do not produce video. Merely record it and encode it.

    On the matter of the URL thing in this particular forum, (and others also) many forums block posting of URLS. The blanks simply fool the software that detects, parses and flags them.

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    Healer

    Thanks for all your patience and perseverance in helping me understanding all the possible pitfalls.

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    Healer

    Thanks to Col too.

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    robo_dev

    Overall my observation is that laptop DVD drives are fairly picky (and very fragile).

    Most laptops use a very delicate snap-in center hub design and a flimsy plastic tray, and I've seen these get really flaky as they get used a bit. If by any chance the device has been exposed to cigarette smoke, or a dusty environment, that won't help either. A DVD lens-cleaner disk can help.

    I've worked with good solid DVD burners in desktops that will burn at any speed on any old media, my favoites are either Sony or TSST (Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology).

    If you burn a ton of DVDs on a laptop, the easy fix is to get an external DVD burner drive, preferably USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt interface if you have it.

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    Healer

    In fact I was working on a friend's desktop Lenovo M58e ThinkCentre computer which was just about one year old. I am not too sure what sort of burner it has. That was the first time he tried to use the burner and in this case to copy a DVD and I was showing him how to. He bought a spindle of 50 DVDs not long ago. I presume they are just the cheapest available at the shop at the time.

    Since the project failed on his computer I brought home the original DVD together with some of his blank DVDs and tried on my laptop. The same problems happen. I have even tried with my blank DVDs. They are just the same.

    My friend and I hardly burn DVDs and the like.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    and the cost has little to do with the quality. Generally, Verbatim is a good choice. So is Taiyo Yuden if you are purchasing say 100 or more. The URL posted by yourself isn't feeding you bad information by any means. That said, it isn't that they are claiming incompatible media and hardware. The claim is that many -yes, even most- brands of blank media available are just plain junk. And this is true. Here is a site that expounds on the subject a bit more. http://forums.adobe. com/thread/492540 . (Remove the space immediately preceeding "com" for the url to work) Scroll down to Posts 5, 7, 9 and 12, all posts by LordSmurf on that forum. My experiences -though not nearly so technical as his- mirror what he has to say about the subject. I am a firm believer in imgburn as well. I trust it and nothing else when burning any optical media. Most of the packages offered along with most manufactured computers have proven to be problematic to me. Nero, Roxio, etc. Use Imgburn, set the burn speed to 1x and imgburn will automatically correct the speed to the native burn speed of the disc being burned. So foot the cost of Verbatim or buy Taiyo Yuden in bulk. Incidentally, its worthy of note that TY -a relative newcomer in the blank media industry made its name in its quality. You will rarely see an advertisement from them. Yet, they are well known for their product. Almost as well known for quality as Ritek is for junk.

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    Slayer_

    I didn't even know those DVD's were different. I usually just buy the cheapest and I have never had an issue.
    If it makes any difference, I use the free program Deepburner.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    In my experience, burning mostly Operating System discs and movies, I have encountered bunk blanks from just about everywhere at one time or another. That is until I read up a bit and found a brand/vendor I like and since have had absolutely no problems whatsoever.

    I buy CD and DVD media in 100 disc spools. Having a shop I go through them like shop towels in an automotive mechanic shop. I have found the Taiyo Yuden brand to be very dependable and relatively inexpensive. At Supermediastore.com, I usually pick up the DVDs at less than .25 cents apiece shipping and all. It does fluctuate a little bit at times.
    A quick synopsis of the points made by LordSmurf in the forum earlier referred to is that DVD+R media production is overseen by a group that keeps the format up to a given standard especially where Video is concerned. As this forum deals with producers of video, this would be particularly advantageous to them. Long story short, you are likely much better off simply purchasing the +R for all around general purpose usage. As far as my experiences go, I usually purchase the TY -R and have never had a problem with them. Then too I do not produce video. Merely record it and encode it.

    On the matter of the URL thing in this particular forum, (and others also) many forums block posting of URLS. The blanks simply fool the software that detects, parses and flags them.

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    Healer

    Thanks to Col too.

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    OH Smeg

    There are way too many possibilities here ranging from things out of your control like the Blanks being exposed to sunlight somewhere in the supply chain to the more likely thing a change in the Dye's used in the Blanks which is no lingers compactable with your Optical Drive.

    Different Blue Dyes can work while some may not work with some DVD Burners or conversely if you leave discs in the Burner a lot of the time the LED can be losing Intensity and is no longer capable of burning blanks.

    I have had bad lots of Discs from different suppliers in both DVD and CD Formats over the years and generally speaking just changing the supplier will cure the problem provided that the Burner isn't on it's way to Silicon Heaven. If the Drive is losing intensity on one type of Optical Disc it may work perfectly on the other type so lets say that the CD is no longer capable of being burnt in no way implies that a DVD will not be burnable or vice versa. As there are different colour LEDs involved in burning/reading DVD to CD it is quite possible that one is on it's way out while the other is in perfect condition.

    Col

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    Healer

    Thanks Col. You are always there and the first one to respond. It looks like you sleep there. :)

    I am not too sure how dyestuff relates to burning DVD. However, you seem to say the media are most likely the problem.

    Is there any specific brands or types of DVDs that you know of are far more reliable?

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    OH Smeg

    The Dye Lot actually is the color of the Data Side of the Blank DVD.

    These vary from some form of Blue to Silver as the main ones but there are other colors and the color even within the Blue Dyes are very different from each other. With most NB's DVD Burners they like only some of the available Dies or Blanks so I tend to use Sony, TDK or Verbatim Blanks in NB Drives but as I buy them by the thousand wholesale I'm most defiantly not the average user.

    Granted I prefer Desktop Drives to burn things in but when Push comes to Shove I'll use one of the NB's that I need to carry about if there is nothing else available. The last DVD that I burnt was a TDK that I bought after the Daughters Wedding and copied the pictures out of several cameras to a Disc than copied it 6 or so times for various guests. That went well without any incident but I've also used the Aldi Blanks over the years with success as well.

    When it comes to brands I've seen some very expensive ones really play up with 8 different Drives over 5 different computers and I've used some cheap nasty Blanks over the years as well without problem.

    Col

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    Healer

    Your first response seemed to put a lot of emphasis on the dyes of the DVD blanks. So I supposed the use of dyes was a technical issue which threw me.

    All in all, it sounds like a very complicated problem to solve. It seems to me it can only be a matter of trial and error and I need to buy more and try them out.

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    OH Smeg

    It can be a bit of Trial and Error particularly with NB Burners as they don't seem to be as forgiving as a Desktop Burner.

    Then to make matters worse the House Brand Blanks may not continue to be supplied by the same maker. You can get the position where a Buyer switches suppliers but the end product continues to be in the same packaging so it's not really a definitive reference.

    You need to understand that DVD Blanks are just a plastic Disc with the coatings literally painted onto the Disc. The Data Side instead of being protected by a layer of Plastic like it is on a Manufactured Disc is directly exposed to the air and the Dye changes color depending if it is a 1 or a 0 and the light is reflected or not accordingly.

    As the Dye is directly exposed to the air it is more subject to contaminates that can be chemical in nature like Fly Spray getting onto the Blanks while the room is being sprayed or Air Freshener. Both of those can react with the Dyes and cause problems.

    Col

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    robo_dev

    Overall my observation is that laptop DVD drives are fairly picky (and very fragile).

    Most laptops use a very delicate snap-in center hub design and a flimsy plastic tray, and I've seen these get really flaky as they get used a bit. If by any chance the device has been exposed to cigarette smoke, or a dusty environment, that won't help either. A DVD lens-cleaner disk can help.

    I've worked with good solid DVD burners in desktops that will burn at any speed on any old media, my favoites are either Sony or TSST (Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology).

    If you burn a ton of DVDs on a laptop, the easy fix is to get an external DVD burner drive, preferably USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt interface if you have it.

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    Healer

    In fact I was working on a friend's desktop Lenovo M58e ThinkCentre computer which was just about one year old. I am not too sure what sort of burner it has. That was the first time he tried to use the burner and in this case to copy a DVD and I was showing him how to. He bought a spindle of 50 DVDs not long ago. I presume they are just the cheapest available at the shop at the time.

    Since the project failed on his computer I brought home the original DVD together with some of his blank DVDs and tried on my laptop. The same problems happen. I have even tried with my blank DVDs. They are just the same.

    My friend and I hardly burn DVDs and the like.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    and the cost has little to do with the quality. Generally, Verbatim is a good choice. So is Taiyo Yuden if you are purchasing say 100 or more. The URL posted by yourself isn't feeding you bad information by any means. That said, it isn't that they are claiming incompatible media and hardware. The claim is that many -yes, even most- brands of blank media available are just plain junk. And this is true. Here is a site that expounds on the subject a bit more. http://forums.adobe. com/thread/492540 . (Remove the space immediately preceeding "com" for the url to work) Scroll down to Posts 5, 7, 9 and 12, all posts by LordSmurf on that forum. My experiences -though not nearly so technical as his- mirror what he has to say about the subject. I am a firm believer in imgburn as well. I trust it and nothing else when burning any optical media. Most of the packages offered along with most manufactured computers have proven to be problematic to me. Nero, Roxio, etc. Use Imgburn, set the burn speed to 1x and imgburn will automatically correct the speed to the native burn speed of the disc being burned. So foot the cost of Verbatim or buy Taiyo Yuden in bulk. Incidentally, its worthy of note that TY -a relative newcomer in the blank media industry made its name in its quality. You will rarely see an advertisement from them. Yet, they are well known for their product. Almost as well known for quality as Ritek is for junk.

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    Healer

    What LordSmurf says is very technical? I have been trying to find out the difference between DVD-R and DVD+R and why DVD-R only is recommended. What do we usually get by default from the shops? Do all burners and software applications work on those with single layer and double layers.

    After reading all these, especially LordSmurf's, my understanding is as clear as mud. You all seem to say I still need to do trial and error because no costly blanks guarantee to work all the time whereas cheapies could work too. In fact I burned few DVDs especially in the recent times. All the time I bought the cheapest available and they all worked until last few days when I wanted to burn one. I found those blanks from the spindle that used to work on my laptop before no longer work.

    By the way, I have a question on the side. Why do some people like you have a URL split up with a space while posted in a forum? What is the purpose? I didn't do it because I don't know of a reason. Is it something of etiquette?

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    Slayer_

    I didn't even know those DVD's were different. I usually just buy the cheapest and I have never had an issue.
    If it makes any difference, I use the free program Deepburner.

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    Healer

    Thanks for chiming in.
    I never had problem with cheapies until last few days.
    Those that worked before no longer work. Again I hardly burn DVDs. I wonder if they deteriorate after a long storage even in the shade and a cool place.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    In my experience, burning mostly Operating System discs and movies, I have encountered bunk blanks from just about everywhere at one time or another. That is until I read up a bit and found a brand/vendor I like and since have had absolutely no problems whatsoever.

    I buy CD and DVD media in 100 disc spools. Having a shop I go through them like shop towels in an automotive mechanic shop. I have found the Taiyo Yuden brand to be very dependable and relatively inexpensive. At Supermediastore.com, I usually pick up the DVDs at less than .25 cents apiece shipping and all. It does fluctuate a little bit at times.
    A quick synopsis of the points made by LordSmurf in the forum earlier referred to is that DVD+R media production is overseen by a group that keeps the format up to a given standard especially where Video is concerned. As this forum deals with producers of video, this would be particularly advantageous to them. Long story short, you are likely much better off simply purchasing the +R for all around general purpose usage. As far as my experiences go, I usually purchase the TY -R and have never had a problem with them. Then too I do not produce video. Merely record it and encode it.

    On the matter of the URL thing in this particular forum, (and others also) many forums block posting of URLS. The blanks simply fool the software that detects, parses and flags them.

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    Healer

    Thanks for all your patience and perseverance in helping me understanding all the possible pitfalls.

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    Healer

    Thanks to Col too.

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    robo_dev

    Overall my observation is that laptop DVD drives are fairly picky (and very fragile).

    Most laptops use a very delicate snap-in center hub design and a flimsy plastic tray, and I've seen these get really flaky as they get used a bit. If by any chance the device has been exposed to cigarette smoke, or a dusty environment, that won't help either. A DVD lens-cleaner disk can help.

    I've worked with good solid DVD burners in desktops that will burn at any speed on any old media, my favoites are either Sony or TSST (Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology).

    If you burn a ton of DVDs on a laptop, the easy fix is to get an external DVD burner drive, preferably USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt interface if you have it.

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    Healer

    In fact I was working on a friend's desktop Lenovo M58e ThinkCentre computer which was just about one year old. I am not too sure what sort of burner it has. That was the first time he tried to use the burner and in this case to copy a DVD and I was showing him how to. He bought a spindle of 50 DVDs not long ago. I presume they are just the cheapest available at the shop at the time.

    Since the project failed on his computer I brought home the original DVD together with some of his blank DVDs and tried on my laptop. The same problems happen. I have even tried with my blank DVDs. They are just the same.

    My friend and I hardly burn DVDs and the like.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    and the cost has little to do with the quality. Generally, Verbatim is a good choice. So is Taiyo Yuden if you are purchasing say 100 or more. The URL posted by yourself isn't feeding you bad information by any means. That said, it isn't that they are claiming incompatible media and hardware. The claim is that many -yes, even most- brands of blank media available are just plain junk. And this is true. Here is a site that expounds on the subject a bit more. http://forums.adobe. com/thread/492540 . (Remove the space immediately preceeding "com" for the url to work) Scroll down to Posts 5, 7, 9 and 12, all posts by LordSmurf on that forum. My experiences -though not nearly so technical as his- mirror what he has to say about the subject. I am a firm believer in imgburn as well. I trust it and nothing else when burning any optical media. Most of the packages offered along with most manufactured computers have proven to be problematic to me. Nero, Roxio, etc. Use Imgburn, set the burn speed to 1x and imgburn will automatically correct the speed to the native burn speed of the disc being burned. So foot the cost of Verbatim or buy Taiyo Yuden in bulk. Incidentally, its worthy of note that TY -a relative newcomer in the blank media industry made its name in its quality. You will rarely see an advertisement from them. Yet, they are well known for their product. Almost as well known for quality as Ritek is for junk.

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    Slayer_

    I didn't even know those DVD's were different. I usually just buy the cheapest and I have never had an issue.
    If it makes any difference, I use the free program Deepburner.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    In my experience, burning mostly Operating System discs and movies, I have encountered bunk blanks from just about everywhere at one time or another. That is until I read up a bit and found a brand/vendor I like and since have had absolutely no problems whatsoever.

    I buy CD and DVD media in 100 disc spools. Having a shop I go through them like shop towels in an automotive mechanic shop. I have found the Taiyo Yuden brand to be very dependable and relatively inexpensive. At Supermediastore.com, I usually pick up the DVDs at less than .25 cents apiece shipping and all. It does fluctuate a little bit at times.
    A quick synopsis of the points made by LordSmurf in the forum earlier referred to is that DVD+R media production is overseen by a group that keeps the format up to a given standard especially where Video is concerned. As this forum deals with producers of video, this would be particularly advantageous to them. Long story short, you are likely much better off simply purchasing the +R for all around general purpose usage. As far as my experiences go, I usually purchase the TY -R and have never had a problem with them. Then too I do not produce video. Merely record it and encode it.

    On the matter of the URL thing in this particular forum, (and others also) many forums block posting of URLS. The blanks simply fool the software that detects, parses and flags them.

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    Healer

    Thanks to Col too.