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How is it that I am?

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How is it that I am?

santeewelding
No luck with Google. Or, for that matter, Wolfram Alpha and the Library of Congress.

I would RTFM, but it is not to be had.

Work it out for me, would you.
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    OH Smeg

    You are asking the wrong questions of Google and you need to enter the Search Parameters in the rest correctly.

    As for RTFM you also need to correctly enter the details to actually find the Manual as it's hidden in a Locked Filing Cabinet in the subbasement down blocked stairs with no lift and the lights have been removed.

    Fairly Typical Bureaucratic steps actually they hide what they don't want you finding and then ask why you didn't look there for the correct directions.

    Col

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    santeewelding

    Putting my people on your revealments as we speak.

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    OH Smeg

    The above assumes that you can actually get a Internet Connection to begin with. If you can not get a Browser Home Page to load it's all useless.

    But as you didn't say any differently I'm assuming that you at the very least could get the Web Home Page.

    If you can't I would suggest using Boot & Nuke to wipe the HDD to get rid of every trace of Windows 7 and reload XP which just works out of the box. :^0

    Col

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    an off-topic, 'metaphysical' thing?

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    santeewelding

    It is clearly tagged, "Security".

    If I can't secure it, what can I secure?

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    "God".

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    santeewelding

    The bellows to my Mechanical Turk just failed.

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    NexS

    The nature of your queries are darker than that which our (potentially flawed) googletron is legally obliged to answer.


    Or elsewhile.
    They say 'Computers are only as smart as the man who built them'. It has taken me a good 12 months to be able to decipher your posts with minimal dictionary references (though I still have it on-hand at all times), so how, then, do you expect a machine which is as smart as a man who has never met you, to be able to decipher your queries?

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    santeewelding

    I do not query a machine.

    I query you.

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    NexS

    "<i>No luck with Google.</i>"
    You type keyword.
    Google queries googlebase (database for google, I invented another something!)
    Google provide your with query results.

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    santeewelding

    Into Wolfram Alpha, and guess where it referred me to?

    Google.

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    NexS

    Your query was to a machine primarily.
    Then secondarily to <i>us</i>.


    What were you expecting to return from Google?

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    santeewelding

    Programmed with algorithms devised by whom?

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    NexS

    .

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    .Martin.

    see, Google is the mastermind behind all this, Google got their night minions to steal the manual, so that you couldn't use that. Google then beat up wolfram, till it agreed to help. after that Google and Wolfram wailed on the Library of Congress till it agreed not to say anything.

    the solution you say? First you have to go to the GDIP (Google Dome of Incomprehensible Pain) and defeat a level 25 minion, once you have done that , they will give you back your manual.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    I like mine rare. I avoid freezing my minions, I think it makes them tough. Too, minions should not be allowed to sauce.


    etu

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    santeewelding

    You have seen it?

    You don't get no thumb for mere information leading to the arrest and conviction of same.

    Produce it.

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    NexS

    Is <a href="http://www.google.com.au/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=134479&hl=en">HERE</a>

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    santeewelding

    Is one of Google algorithms.

    The Manual is, Algorithm of the Almighty.

    None less will do.

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    NexS

    my level of spiritual comprehension, that is.
    Sounds too much like psychology to me.

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    santeewelding

    Which is me, since I am, that the algorithm is digital -- you can do it on your fingers.

    No psycho-drivel necessary, specially the kind derived in university studies of nineteen-year-olds.

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    LocoLobo

    That particular manual is exactly where Oh Smeg told you. What he didn't tell you is the sub-basement is the one between your ears.

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    OH Smeg

    Google Google did you?

    If you did I have it on good authority that you will break the Internet. That could be exactly what your problem here is. :0

    Col

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    Col

    santeewelding

    You are altogether too wise.

    That is exactly what I do. Only, it ain't Google.

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    http://www.rtfm.com/

    It might be just what you are looking for.
    Though if your internet is not working it is not much of a help. :)

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    CharlieSpencer

    Before asking, "How?", start with, "What?"

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    santeewelding

    Is the transitive form of the question. "How" is the intransitive.

    The transitive has more answers than you can shake a stick at. The intransitive -- none.

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    CharlieSpencer

    "Fine, thanks. And you?"

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    santeewelding

    With "fine" you bring an "outside" standard.

    I have realized in my thinking that: how I am holds for all that is, meaning there's no going outside for an answer -- not for me; not for you; not for anyone.

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    AnsuGisalas

    Reflexives, automatives, passives.
    That you are - you are, and being you, you being, is how you are being.

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    santeewelding

    I think you are the only one, in all my time here, who has picked up on it, my having mentioned the intransitive more than once.

    I will think on it, as I did before my last to you, before crafting and responding.

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    OH Smeg

    While you're welcome to think that way Santee maybe there is another alternative that no one else has mentioned this previously. Like

    You don't need any engorgement to continue your wicked ways. :^0

    Col

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    AnsuGisalas

    Of having learned finnish.
    Now, finnish doesn't use different markings for automatives, reflectives and passives, but the learner at some point will have to face the differences in meaning, if they get that far.

    Automative covers the meaning of the formally active verb "come" in the example "water kept coming through the hole in the hull". There's no placement of blame, for one, no intent on the part of the water.

    Reflexive covers both "run"-type meanings ("See jack run") and "itself"-types ("the deadly ouroborous serpent buries itself in the loose sand"). There is intent on the part of the one taking action.

    Passives of the finnish type don't usually exist in english as independent verbs - instead, they're the intransitive subset of an otherwise transitive verb's usages.
    Like "broke", in "he was about to tell me whom he suspected, when the connection broke".
    This is different from the normal english passive "the connection was broken" which (in this case) implies a background intentional activity (someone broke it).
    An unnamed perpetrator is not always the case, as in "He was killed in an car-accident" which differs from "He was killed in a knife-fight" which differs from "He was killed by his wife"... the difference is in terms of accusation.

    etu+boss

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    neilb@uk

    evaluate the wave function of the Universe and there you are.

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    santeewelding

    Doesn't hack it. Take you and your statement, for example. Not even the Indian dieties could figure your *** out.

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    AnsuGisalas

    An Indian diety is to a westindian as a diet coke is to waste coke gas. And only a deity can sort that mess out.

    How it is that F(u)=B(i)M?
    Begin from what it is that your I is not. It gives you a bigger field, less subjective uncertainty. Try to see how it is that your I is not; the patterns of it's unbeing.
    The pattern of it's being is the negative image of it's unbeing. How you unaren't is how you are.

    Or did you mean how as in "how did I come to be?" That's a whole other barrel of fish.

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    santeewelding

    How I am not is unavailable. There is no "field". There are no "patterns".

    If I insist to think at my outset with only two possibilities -- being and/or not -- I do so with tools of being. Tools of nonbeing, i.e., your "patterns", are unavailable to me.

    Being is it.

    Which goes to your question, "how did I come to be?" Hark to how I put Totality: there being no outside, I can't "come" to it.

    These considerations are, you might say, initial conditions to my thinking. Unless my thinking is substandard, the conditions of totality also constrain your thinking. More pointedly, they constrain speech.

    Not in your case, though. And not in the case of so many others here who broach the matter with certainty that is not, theists and atheists alike.

    No thumb for you.

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    OH Smeg

    I am

    Totally Confused after reading that drivel above Santee.

    And no I'm not going back to reread it to understand it My Head Hurts.

    Col

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    santeewelding

    I go unrecognized in my own time.

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    santeewelding

    When you are confronted head-on, which, I confess to doing, confronted with, "drivel".

    Don't like drivel, myself.

    Get that, Col, and you and I, we get along just fine.

    Jocularity, however, I like. You are a past master with jocularity. Most of the time.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    diverts the senses that intuitive mind may process uninhibited.

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    santeewelding

    To knock Colin's mind off course, to meander aimlessly in orbit, along with other debris.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    that Col is old enough he gets to do what he wants.

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    santeewelding

    To land in fighting stance, after having said to self, "Oh, shilt: how do I manage this one?!

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    His forte.

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    Oh.

    santeewelding

    That's right.

    (looks about)

    There is more to Hal than meets the eye.

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    OH Smeg

    What you see is all a Illusion or if you prefer technical terms a Holographic Projection.

    Oh and that hissing that you hear is the airlock behind what you consider to be a solid wall opening. :^0

    Col

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    niggles... These things keep me awake at night. *yawns*

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    AnsuGisalas

    I understand now, how you are forever.
    And, yes, I see nothing breakable in your total cosmology.
    Or do I understand?
    Everything is forever, always was, always will be. Is that the path?

    My question was, which do you ask:
    how it is - that you are?
    or
    how it is, that you are?

    The first is difficult. The second has many answers, one of which is "mysterious", another "ineffable".

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    neilb@uk

    is if "dieties" was some sort of pun on the size of my ***. Not that I have such, being English.

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    AnsuGisalas

    For once I made it first on that one

    How about a diety coke?

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    neilb@uk

    I was reading the post in order, replied straight away and then read your post.

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    AnsuGisalas

    too.
    Makes for many instances of me sounding like a copycat, at least to myself. Aggravating.

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    neilb@uk

    that I WOULD have thought of it before anybody else. Keeps my ego firmly intact.

    :)

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    santeewelding

    Only now do I see it. I thought Ansu had gone psychoactive, again.

    I'll leave it. You both would look psychoactive if I changed it.

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    neilb@uk

    Rescription is fultile.

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    AnsuGisalas

    "had gone" and "look"?
    To affect the psyche, is that not the point?

    Psychedelic on the other hand, that's to be avoided when possible.
    Surreal is better.

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    How is it that I am: yet what I am none cares or knows,
    My friends forsake me like a memory lost;
    How is it that I am the self-consumer of my woes,
    They rise and vanish in oblivious host,
    Like shades in love and death's oblivion lost;
    And yet how is it that I am! and live with shadows tost

    Into the nothingness of scorn and noise,
    Into the living sea of waking dreams,
    Where there is neither sense of life nor joys,
    But the vast shipwreck of my life's esteems;
    And e'en the dearest--that I loved the best--
    Are strange--nay, rather stranger than the rest.

    How is it that I long for scenes where man has never trod;
    A place where woman never smil'd or wept;
    There to abide with my creator, God,
    And sleep as I in childhood sweetly slept:
    Untroubling and untroubled where I lie;
    The grass below--above the vaulted sky.
    :)

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    santeewelding

    It's my first time seeing, How is it that I am, in print.

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    neilb@uk

    Poor guy spent most of his time in the local insane asylum where he wrote quite a lot of his poetry. Not sure about this particular poem, though.

    :)

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    neilb@uk

    John Clare

    on the afterlife

    Is there another world for this frail dust
    To warm with life and be itself again?
    Something about me daily speaks there must,
    And why should instinct nourish hopes in vain?
    'Tis nature's prophesy that such will be,
    And everything seems struggling to explain
    The close sealed volume of its mystery.
    Time wandering onward keeps its usual pace
    As seeming anxious of eternity,
    To meet that calm and find a resting place.
    E'en the small violet feels a future power
    And waits each year renewing blooms to bring,
    And surely man is no inferior flower
    To die unworthy of a second spring?

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    santeewelding

    "Outside", and futile. Makes for some of the best damned reading in poetry and literature, though.

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    It took some digging.
    Actually it is really "I am", but i added your "How is it that i am" on to it. It gives it a better tone to the poem i thought.
    Hoped you liked it. :)

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    OH Smeg

    You are asking the wrong questions of Google and you need to enter the Search Parameters in the rest correctly.

    As for RTFM you also need to correctly enter the details to actually find the Manual as it's hidden in a Locked Filing Cabinet in the subbasement down blocked stairs with no lift and the lights have been removed.

    Fairly Typical Bureaucratic steps actually they hide what they don't want you finding and then ask why you didn't look there for the correct directions.

    Col

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    santeewelding

    Putting my people on your revealments as we speak.

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    OH Smeg

    The above assumes that you can actually get a Internet Connection to begin with. If you can not get a Browser Home Page to load it's all useless.

    But as you didn't say any differently I'm assuming that you at the very least could get the Web Home Page.

    If you can't I would suggest using Boot & Nuke to wipe the HDD to get rid of every trace of Windows 7 and reload XP which just works out of the box. :^0

    Col

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    an off-topic, 'metaphysical' thing?

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    santeewelding

    It is clearly tagged, "Security".

    If I can't secure it, what can I secure?

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    "God".

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    santeewelding

    The bellows to my Mechanical Turk just failed.

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    NexS

    The nature of your queries are darker than that which our (potentially flawed) googletron is legally obliged to answer.


    Or elsewhile.
    They say 'Computers are only as smart as the man who built them'. It has taken me a good 12 months to be able to decipher your posts with minimal dictionary references (though I still have it on-hand at all times), so how, then, do you expect a machine which is as smart as a man who has never met you, to be able to decipher your queries?

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    santeewelding

    I do not query a machine.

    I query you.

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    NexS

    "<i>No luck with Google.</i>"
    You type keyword.
    Google queries googlebase (database for google, I invented another something!)
    Google provide your with query results.

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    santeewelding

    Into Wolfram Alpha, and guess where it referred me to?

    Google.

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    NexS

    Your query was to a machine primarily.
    Then secondarily to <i>us</i>.


    What were you expecting to return from Google?

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    santeewelding

    Programmed with algorithms devised by whom?

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    NexS

    .

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    .Martin.

    see, Google is the mastermind behind all this, Google got their night minions to steal the manual, so that you couldn't use that. Google then beat up wolfram, till it agreed to help. after that Google and Wolfram wailed on the Library of Congress till it agreed not to say anything.

    the solution you say? First you have to go to the GDIP (Google Dome of Incomprehensible Pain) and defeat a level 25 minion, once you have done that , they will give you back your manual.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    I like mine rare. I avoid freezing my minions, I think it makes them tough. Too, minions should not be allowed to sauce.


    etu

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    santeewelding

    You have seen it?

    You don't get no thumb for mere information leading to the arrest and conviction of same.

    Produce it.

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    NexS

    Is <a href="http://www.google.com.au/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=134479&hl=en">HERE</a>

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    santeewelding

    Is one of Google algorithms.

    The Manual is, Algorithm of the Almighty.

    None less will do.

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    NexS

    my level of spiritual comprehension, that is.
    Sounds too much like psychology to me.

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    santeewelding

    Which is me, since I am, that the algorithm is digital -- you can do it on your fingers.

    No psycho-drivel necessary, specially the kind derived in university studies of nineteen-year-olds.

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    LocoLobo

    That particular manual is exactly where Oh Smeg told you. What he didn't tell you is the sub-basement is the one between your ears.

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    OH Smeg

    Google Google did you?

    If you did I have it on good authority that you will break the Internet. That could be exactly what your problem here is. :0

    Col

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    Col

    santeewelding

    You are altogether too wise.

    That is exactly what I do. Only, it ain't Google.

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    http://www.rtfm.com/

    It might be just what you are looking for.
    Though if your internet is not working it is not much of a help. :)

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    CharlieSpencer

    Before asking, "How?", start with, "What?"

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    santeewelding

    Is the transitive form of the question. "How" is the intransitive.

    The transitive has more answers than you can shake a stick at. The intransitive -- none.

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    CharlieSpencer

    "Fine, thanks. And you?"

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    santeewelding

    With "fine" you bring an "outside" standard.

    I have realized in my thinking that: how I am holds for all that is, meaning there's no going outside for an answer -- not for me; not for you; not for anyone.

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    AnsuGisalas

    Reflexives, automatives, passives.
    That you are - you are, and being you, you being, is how you are being.

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    santeewelding

    I think you are the only one, in all my time here, who has picked up on it, my having mentioned the intransitive more than once.

    I will think on it, as I did before my last to you, before crafting and responding.

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    OH Smeg

    While you're welcome to think that way Santee maybe there is another alternative that no one else has mentioned this previously. Like

    You don't need any engorgement to continue your wicked ways. :^0

    Col

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    AnsuGisalas

    Of having learned finnish.
    Now, finnish doesn't use different markings for automatives, reflectives and passives, but the learner at some point will have to face the differences in meaning, if they get that far.

    Automative covers the meaning of the formally active verb "come" in the example "water kept coming through the hole in the hull". There's no placement of blame, for one, no intent on the part of the water.

    Reflexive covers both "run"-type meanings ("See jack run") and "itself"-types ("the deadly ouroborous serpent buries itself in the loose sand"). There is intent on the part of the one taking action.

    Passives of the finnish type don't usually exist in english as independent verbs - instead, they're the intransitive subset of an otherwise transitive verb's usages.
    Like "broke", in "he was about to tell me whom he suspected, when the connection broke".
    This is different from the normal english passive "the connection was broken" which (in this case) implies a background intentional activity (someone broke it).
    An unnamed perpetrator is not always the case, as in "He was killed in an car-accident" which differs from "He was killed in a knife-fight" which differs from "He was killed by his wife"... the difference is in terms of accusation.

    etu+boss

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    neilb@uk

    evaluate the wave function of the Universe and there you are.

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    santeewelding

    Doesn't hack it. Take you and your statement, for example. Not even the Indian dieties could figure your *** out.

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    AnsuGisalas

    An Indian diety is to a westindian as a diet coke is to waste coke gas. And only a deity can sort that mess out.

    How it is that F(u)=B(i)M?
    Begin from what it is that your I is not. It gives you a bigger field, less subjective uncertainty. Try to see how it is that your I is not; the patterns of it's unbeing.
    The pattern of it's being is the negative image of it's unbeing. How you unaren't is how you are.

    Or did you mean how as in "how did I come to be?" That's a whole other barrel of fish.

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    santeewelding

    How I am not is unavailable. There is no "field". There are no "patterns".

    If I insist to think at my outset with only two possibilities -- being and/or not -- I do so with tools of being. Tools of nonbeing, i.e., your "patterns", are unavailable to me.

    Being is it.

    Which goes to your question, "how did I come to be?" Hark to how I put Totality: there being no outside, I can't "come" to it.

    These considerations are, you might say, initial conditions to my thinking. Unless my thinking is substandard, the conditions of totality also constrain your thinking. More pointedly, they constrain speech.

    Not in your case, though. And not in the case of so many others here who broach the matter with certainty that is not, theists and atheists alike.

    No thumb for you.

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    OH Smeg

    I am

    Totally Confused after reading that drivel above Santee.

    And no I'm not going back to reread it to understand it My Head Hurts.

    Col

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    santeewelding

    I go unrecognized in my own time.

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    santeewelding

    When you are confronted head-on, which, I confess to doing, confronted with, "drivel".

    Don't like drivel, myself.

    Get that, Col, and you and I, we get along just fine.

    Jocularity, however, I like. You are a past master with jocularity. Most of the time.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    diverts the senses that intuitive mind may process uninhibited.

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    santeewelding

    To knock Colin's mind off course, to meander aimlessly in orbit, along with other debris.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    that Col is old enough he gets to do what he wants.

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    santeewelding

    To land in fighting stance, after having said to self, "Oh, shilt: how do I manage this one?!

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    His forte.

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    Oh.

    santeewelding

    That's right.

    (looks about)

    There is more to Hal than meets the eye.

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    OH Smeg

    What you see is all a Illusion or if you prefer technical terms a Holographic Projection.

    Oh and that hissing that you hear is the airlock behind what you consider to be a solid wall opening. :^0

    Col

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    niggles... These things keep me awake at night. *yawns*

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    AnsuGisalas

    I understand now, how you are forever.
    And, yes, I see nothing breakable in your total cosmology.
    Or do I understand?
    Everything is forever, always was, always will be. Is that the path?

    My question was, which do you ask:
    how it is - that you are?
    or
    how it is, that you are?

    The first is difficult. The second has many answers, one of which is "mysterious", another "ineffable".

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    neilb@uk

    is if "dieties" was some sort of pun on the size of my ***. Not that I have such, being English.

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    AnsuGisalas

    For once I made it first on that one

    How about a diety coke?

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    neilb@uk

    I was reading the post in order, replied straight away and then read your post.

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    AnsuGisalas

    too.
    Makes for many instances of me sounding like a copycat, at least to myself. Aggravating.

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    neilb@uk

    that I WOULD have thought of it before anybody else. Keeps my ego firmly intact.

    :)

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    santeewelding

    Only now do I see it. I thought Ansu had gone psychoactive, again.

    I'll leave it. You both would look psychoactive if I changed it.

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    neilb@uk

    Rescription is fultile.

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    AnsuGisalas

    "had gone" and "look"?
    To affect the psyche, is that not the point?

    Psychedelic on the other hand, that's to be avoided when possible.
    Surreal is better.

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    How is it that I am: yet what I am none cares or knows,
    My friends forsake me like a memory lost;
    How is it that I am the self-consumer of my woes,
    They rise and vanish in oblivious host,
    Like shades in love and death's oblivion lost;
    And yet how is it that I am! and live with shadows tost

    Into the nothingness of scorn and noise,
    Into the living sea of waking dreams,
    Where there is neither sense of life nor joys,
    But the vast shipwreck of my life's esteems;
    And e'en the dearest--that I loved the best--
    Are strange--nay, rather stranger than the rest.

    How is it that I long for scenes where man has never trod;
    A place where woman never smil'd or wept;
    There to abide with my creator, God,
    And sleep as I in childhood sweetly slept:
    Untroubling and untroubled where I lie;
    The grass below--above the vaulted sky.
    :)

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    santeewelding

    It's my first time seeing, How is it that I am, in print.

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    neilb@uk

    Poor guy spent most of his time in the local insane asylum where he wrote quite a lot of his poetry. Not sure about this particular poem, though.

    :)

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    neilb@uk

    John Clare

    on the afterlife

    Is there another world for this frail dust
    To warm with life and be itself again?
    Something about me daily speaks there must,
    And why should instinct nourish hopes in vain?
    'Tis nature's prophesy that such will be,
    And everything seems struggling to explain
    The close sealed volume of its mystery.
    Time wandering onward keeps its usual pace
    As seeming anxious of eternity,
    To meet that calm and find a resting place.
    E'en the small violet feels a future power
    And waits each year renewing blooms to bring,
    And surely man is no inferior flower
    To die unworthy of a second spring?

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    santeewelding

    "Outside", and futile. Makes for some of the best damned reading in poetry and literature, though.

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    It took some digging.
    Actually it is really "I am", but i added your "How is it that i am" on to it. It gives it a better tone to the poem i thought.
    Hoped you liked it. :)