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how to make WinXP tablet boot faster?

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how to make WinXP tablet boot faster?

JADavis9
I have tried all the standard stuff to speed up booting. I've done disk cleanup, defrag you name it. I use cCleaner to clean things up. I use AVG Anti-Virus Free. I can even provide someone a Belarc Advisor profile of my pc showing the system and all programs.
But my Windows XP tablet loads so slowly. I hate to shut it down, ever. It boots much slower than it used to. It is slow up to the log in box and even really slow after punching in my password. It just sits there for a few minutes looking like I forgot to hit the enter key.
What can be done to figure out what is going on?
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    Ron K.

    Disable everything under the <u><b>STARTUP</u></b> tab. If it boots faster than it may be something that's starting up which slows it down. If it boots faster just go back to msconfig and enable five programs at a time until the boot slows down again. Then eliminate the program from starting, unless it's becessary like your antivirus. Don't delete anything, just disable so that you can alaways re-enable.<br>
    I hesitate to have you run Sysinternals Autoruns because I don't feel like answering, "What's this?," a hundred times. If you do run Autoruns do like the rest of us do, look up the processes and services using Google. Again, don't delete anything, just disable so that you can re-enable as necessary.

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    JADavis9

    I had disabled 4 things while I fought some issues with certain software, but I have since re-enabled them in Run > msconfig so all is enabled. I was also trying to speed up the booting so I disabled all from startup and it still takes the same length of time from hitting Restart until with a quick finger swipe for log in. It takes 260 seconds until the Start bar is complete using either a Selective start with all disabled, or a Normal start where all are enabled. So I left it on Normal.

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    Ron K.

    If you're so sure you know what you're doing why do you even bother asking questions? <br>
    A fairly good definition of insanity is continuing to do the same things that you're doing while expecting different results. That applies here.<br>
    Have fun with your computers and have a jolly good day.

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    JADavis9

    I am not sure what I said that was offensive. I am not as smart regarding computer technology as you or many of you are. I only answer any questions as specifically as possible to try to save you time in answering my possibly mundane question. I really appreciate any help that I can get and I really don't want to act like I know what I am doing. In fact, I don't.

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    PurpleSkys Moderator

    what are the pc specs? IE: amount of ram, processor, hdd, etc?

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    JADavis9

    Do I deserve a nasty comment for some reason? I am only trying really hard to fix issues and give the most complete information that I can give.
    I clearly said that I had tried disabling all of them after I told you that earlier I had tried disabling 4 for another reason. Disabling all did not seen to speed it up for me (a few seconds difference if any) so I have re-enabled all.

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    Ron K.

    And zoomed in on disabling 4 items. My bad.<br>
    How much RAM do you have? <br>
    There are a lot of things that start when you start your computer that don't show up in msconfig. Sysinternals' Autoruns shows virtually everything. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx <br>
    A word of warning, there's so much in there that it can easily take 2 or more hours to go through everything. Don't 'delete' anything, just 'disable' as you may need it again later. <br>
    Right now I'm wondering what you're running for a firewall and antivirus. I've run several and some will definitely slow your startup time and computing time down to a crawl.<br>
    Before using Autoruns I suggest that you make a backup of the entire Registry just in case you accidentally hose something with Autoruns. <br>
    Search on how to backup the Registry. It's not hard. Don't forget where you put it.
    Research everything you think you're going to disable.<br>
    Now, what are your firewall and antivirus?

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    JADavis9

    I have 760mb of RAM on this tablet. It has a USB Maxtor e: drive used for backups. A copy of my Belarc Advisor profile of my pc shows:
    Operating System System Model
    Windows XP Tablet PC Edition Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
    Install Language: English (United States)
    System Locale: English (United States) Motion Computing LE1600 A0
    System Serial Number: 00102932
    Chassis Serial Number: 00102932
    Enclosure Type: Notebook
    Processor a Main Circuit Board b
    1.50 gigahertz Intel Pentium M
    64 kilobyte primary memory cache
    2048 kilobyte secondary memory cache
    Not hyper-threaded Board: Compal Computer Corporation Compal DX20
    Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
    BIOS: Motion Computing - LE1600 A08 05/05/2006
    Drives Memory Modules c,d
    160.26 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
    113.17 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

    LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K USB Device [CD-ROM drive]

    Maxtor OneTouch II USB Device [Hard drive] (100.25 GB) -- drive 1
    TOSHIBA MK6006GAH [Hard drive] (60.01 GB) -- drive 0, s/n 55461029T, rev BZ002A, SMART Status: Healthy 758 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory
    Slot 'DIMM A' has 512 MB
    Slot 'DIMM B' has 256 MB
    Local Drive Volumes
    c: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.01 GB 35.00 GB free
    e: (NTFS on drive 1) 100.25 GB 78.17 GB

    You say that there are a lot of things that start when you start your computer that don't show up in msconfig. But I haven't tried your Sysinternals' Autoruns idea yet. I am wondering if I should ....

    I am having an issue with my antivirus that may be involved here. I am not sure what firewall I use. I was using MS Security Essentials but it has stopped working and can't be uninstalled. MS is helping me along with others to solve this problem so we can reinstall it and use it. In the meantime, I have installed a free trial version of one of the popular anti virus programs. Maybe having both is slowing things down?

    You say that before using Autoruns I should make a backup of the entire Registry.

    It looks like I would just use system restore to create a restore point which basically is a backup of the registry. Is that right?

    But you say "Don't forget where you put it".
    Wouldn't I just let System Restore keep it for me, or are you suggesting that I store it somewhere else somehow for some reason that I don't understand? Sorry if I am so unknowledgeable...

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    Ron K.

    I generally recommend that a person max. out their RAM for their operating system. I don't know what your max. would be but you can easily go to crucial.com and have it scan your system. It'll make recommendations. <br>
    Installing a 'popular' anti-virus program is a bit odd. What is it? Some will really bog down your system. <br>
    I'm going to still recommend that you run Autoruns, with the caveats I explained, and take the time to see what's running. We can post back and forth here until the cows come home, otherwise.<br>
    If you ask me. the closer an operating system is to being original, with good security add-ons and updates the better off you are. If your system tray is gunked up with stuff you rarely use, turn it of with Autoruns. If you insist on going to any particular home page when you start your browser your start-up time depends upon your ISP. Why do that? I don't understand, you can go ANYWHERE once your computer/tablet/whatever has booted.<br>
    Check crucial for RAM, post your AV and anti-malware solutions and when the last time was that you ran a deep, complete scan with anything, as well as when you last defragged.

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    JADavis9

    I am new at this, but in Control Panel > System it says that I have 760mb of RAM on 1.5GHz.
    My antivirus was CA but I uninstalled and now have a trial version of AVG.
    My system tray by the clock has no hidden icons and it shows Yahoo Messenger, OmniPass (my password saver software), AVG, Google Talk, Maxtor (by backup software manager for a USB drive), Local Area Connection, Volume, Safely Remove Hardware, On AC Power, and Change Tablet and Pen Settings.
    Maybe next I will run Autoruns with the caveats you explained. Thanks a bunch for your help. I need it! I did some silly timing during boot yesterday. If I am logged in and hit restart, it takes about 4 minutes and 20 seconds as it shuts down and restarts and I log in quickly and it displays my desktop. My Windows XP desktop pc does the same in about half that time. Is my tablet OK and should I just live with it? What makes me wonder if there is a problem on this tablet is that sometimes after I enter my password and hit Enter, it just sits there seemingly motionless for a minute or two still stuck on that password entry screen but nothing can be done and the mouse isn't moveable. Maybe all is OK ...
    I have defragmented a lot recently. I have also done several deep scans with Security Essentials when it was working and more recently using AVG as it was installing. And I use cCleaner to get things cleaned up before I defrag.

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    da philster

    Should malware, rootkits, etc. be ruled out, perhaps a hardware issue exists.
    With the specs you've shown for your machine, it should run nicely.
    Even though S.M.A.R.T. shows that your drive is O.K., I wouldn't rely 100% on that info.
    Did you try running Windows' Check Disk utility? What about RAM? One of the sticks could be failing.
    The answer is out there somewhere.
    Cheers.

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    JADavis9

    Is Windows' Check Disk utility the Disk Cleanup in Accessories > System Tools?
    I am sorry to ask, but I am pretty new at this ...

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    da philster

    Here's a link to "Chkdsk" that has Microsoft explaining how to do it:

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265/en-us

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers

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    JADavis9

    I tried running the Guided Help version of Chkdsk found on that link. But it opened a small Guided Help window saying "Please wait" which stayed open for hours. I gave up after 2 hours and went to sleep. In the morning it still was there and clicking the Stop button in the window did nothing after waiting a long time and even clicking it many times. I tried going to Task Manager with Ctrl-Alt-Del and view Task Manager and saw nothing that should be stopped. So I was forced to select Shut Down which didn't work. So I was forced to shut down manually be holding down the power switch to force a shut down.

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    seanferd

    as it seems like that app is what is failing.

    So, we're going to do a command prompt again:
    Type
    cmd
    in the Run box, hit Enter.

    In the cmd window type
    chkdsk /r
    hit Enter.

    You'll probably get a "chkdsk can't run..." message. Type
    Y
    hit Enter. Then reboot.

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    JADavis9

    Yes, it ran after a restart. It took a long time to run all 5 stages!
    Stage 1 Files completed quickly
    Stage 2 Indexes took 5 minutes and said Recovering orphaned file SEP1.tmp(70685) into directory file 12750
    Stage 3 Security Descriptors was quick
    Stage 4 File Data took 48 minutes. Windows replaced bad clusters in file 45372 of name \WINDOWS\Motion\Intelw~1\Apps\iProData\CO2C2E.msi
    Stage 5 Free Space took 35 minutes.

    The volume is clean. Windows has finished checking the disk.
    I'll bet that I didn't need to write all of that stuff down since it is probably recorded in some log that I don't know about somewhere. Anyway Motion is the manufacturer of this tablet.
    After a reboot, I am not noticing any major change in performance. Maybe I am worrying about something that I should not worry about. I can't really change any hardware and this tablet has always booted a bit slower than a desktop pc. Hmmm

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    seanferd

    Although you did get a few minor errors fixed, which is always good.

    I'm sure the tablet will always boot slower than a desktop, as it has less power overall.

    Seems like the only thing you can really do is stop unnecessary programs from running at boot time/startup. Use the controls provided with the apps, or Autoruns, which has been mentioned elsewhere.

    if you don't have any unnecessary services or applications starting at boot, there doesn't seem to be much else you can do.

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    1) Memory. Update your memory to the maximum that your tablet can take.

    2) Harddrive. Get the fastest harddrive that you can buy. You can still get the 74gb (or the new one of which is 300 to 350gb) Western Digital Raptor (10,000 RPM) drives of which will speed up your tablet with no problem, except your battery might run down faster because of the speed of the drive.

    Windows XP on anything under 1 gb of ram is going to boot up slow.

    Hope this might be of help to you.

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    Ron K.

    Disable everything under the <u><b>STARTUP</u></b> tab. If it boots faster than it may be something that's starting up which slows it down. If it boots faster just go back to msconfig and enable five programs at a time until the boot slows down again. Then eliminate the program from starting, unless it's becessary like your antivirus. Don't delete anything, just disable so that you can alaways re-enable.<br>
    I hesitate to have you run Sysinternals Autoruns because I don't feel like answering, "What's this?," a hundred times. If you do run Autoruns do like the rest of us do, look up the processes and services using Google. Again, don't delete anything, just disable so that you can re-enable as necessary.

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    JADavis9

    I had disabled 4 things while I fought some issues with certain software, but I have since re-enabled them in Run > msconfig so all is enabled. I was also trying to speed up the booting so I disabled all from startup and it still takes the same length of time from hitting Restart until with a quick finger swipe for log in. It takes 260 seconds until the Start bar is complete using either a Selective start with all disabled, or a Normal start where all are enabled. So I left it on Normal.

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    Ron K.

    If you're so sure you know what you're doing why do you even bother asking questions? <br>
    A fairly good definition of insanity is continuing to do the same things that you're doing while expecting different results. That applies here.<br>
    Have fun with your computers and have a jolly good day.

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    JADavis9

    I am not sure what I said that was offensive. I am not as smart regarding computer technology as you or many of you are. I only answer any questions as specifically as possible to try to save you time in answering my possibly mundane question. I really appreciate any help that I can get and I really don't want to act like I know what I am doing. In fact, I don't.

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    PurpleSkys Moderator

    what are the pc specs? IE: amount of ram, processor, hdd, etc?

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    JADavis9

    Do I deserve a nasty comment for some reason? I am only trying really hard to fix issues and give the most complete information that I can give.
    I clearly said that I had tried disabling all of them after I told you that earlier I had tried disabling 4 for another reason. Disabling all did not seen to speed it up for me (a few seconds difference if any) so I have re-enabled all.

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    Ron K.

    And zoomed in on disabling 4 items. My bad.<br>
    How much RAM do you have? <br>
    There are a lot of things that start when you start your computer that don't show up in msconfig. Sysinternals' Autoruns shows virtually everything. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx <br>
    A word of warning, there's so much in there that it can easily take 2 or more hours to go through everything. Don't 'delete' anything, just 'disable' as you may need it again later. <br>
    Right now I'm wondering what you're running for a firewall and antivirus. I've run several and some will definitely slow your startup time and computing time down to a crawl.<br>
    Before using Autoruns I suggest that you make a backup of the entire Registry just in case you accidentally hose something with Autoruns. <br>
    Search on how to backup the Registry. It's not hard. Don't forget where you put it.
    Research everything you think you're going to disable.<br>
    Now, what are your firewall and antivirus?

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    JADavis9

    I have 760mb of RAM on this tablet. It has a USB Maxtor e: drive used for backups. A copy of my Belarc Advisor profile of my pc shows:
    Operating System System Model
    Windows XP Tablet PC Edition Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
    Install Language: English (United States)
    System Locale: English (United States) Motion Computing LE1600 A0
    System Serial Number: 00102932
    Chassis Serial Number: 00102932
    Enclosure Type: Notebook
    Processor a Main Circuit Board b
    1.50 gigahertz Intel Pentium M
    64 kilobyte primary memory cache
    2048 kilobyte secondary memory cache
    Not hyper-threaded Board: Compal Computer Corporation Compal DX20
    Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
    BIOS: Motion Computing - LE1600 A08 05/05/2006
    Drives Memory Modules c,d
    160.26 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
    113.17 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

    LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K USB Device [CD-ROM drive]

    Maxtor OneTouch II USB Device [Hard drive] (100.25 GB) -- drive 1
    TOSHIBA MK6006GAH [Hard drive] (60.01 GB) -- drive 0, s/n 55461029T, rev BZ002A, SMART Status: Healthy 758 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory
    Slot 'DIMM A' has 512 MB
    Slot 'DIMM B' has 256 MB
    Local Drive Volumes
    c: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.01 GB 35.00 GB free
    e: (NTFS on drive 1) 100.25 GB 78.17 GB

    You say that there are a lot of things that start when you start your computer that don't show up in msconfig. But I haven't tried your Sysinternals' Autoruns idea yet. I am wondering if I should ....

    I am having an issue with my antivirus that may be involved here. I am not sure what firewall I use. I was using MS Security Essentials but it has stopped working and can't be uninstalled. MS is helping me along with others to solve this problem so we can reinstall it and use it. In the meantime, I have installed a free trial version of one of the popular anti virus programs. Maybe having both is slowing things down?

    You say that before using Autoruns I should make a backup of the entire Registry.

    It looks like I would just use system restore to create a restore point which basically is a backup of the registry. Is that right?

    But you say "Don't forget where you put it".
    Wouldn't I just let System Restore keep it for me, or are you suggesting that I store it somewhere else somehow for some reason that I don't understand? Sorry if I am so unknowledgeable...

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    Ron K.

    I generally recommend that a person max. out their RAM for their operating system. I don't know what your max. would be but you can easily go to crucial.com and have it scan your system. It'll make recommendations. <br>
    Installing a 'popular' anti-virus program is a bit odd. What is it? Some will really bog down your system. <br>
    I'm going to still recommend that you run Autoruns, with the caveats I explained, and take the time to see what's running. We can post back and forth here until the cows come home, otherwise.<br>
    If you ask me. the closer an operating system is to being original, with good security add-ons and updates the better off you are. If your system tray is gunked up with stuff you rarely use, turn it of with Autoruns. If you insist on going to any particular home page when you start your browser your start-up time depends upon your ISP. Why do that? I don't understand, you can go ANYWHERE once your computer/tablet/whatever has booted.<br>
    Check crucial for RAM, post your AV and anti-malware solutions and when the last time was that you ran a deep, complete scan with anything, as well as when you last defragged.

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    JADavis9

    I am new at this, but in Control Panel > System it says that I have 760mb of RAM on 1.5GHz.
    My antivirus was CA but I uninstalled and now have a trial version of AVG.
    My system tray by the clock has no hidden icons and it shows Yahoo Messenger, OmniPass (my password saver software), AVG, Google Talk, Maxtor (by backup software manager for a USB drive), Local Area Connection, Volume, Safely Remove Hardware, On AC Power, and Change Tablet and Pen Settings.
    Maybe next I will run Autoruns with the caveats you explained. Thanks a bunch for your help. I need it! I did some silly timing during boot yesterday. If I am logged in and hit restart, it takes about 4 minutes and 20 seconds as it shuts down and restarts and I log in quickly and it displays my desktop. My Windows XP desktop pc does the same in about half that time. Is my tablet OK and should I just live with it? What makes me wonder if there is a problem on this tablet is that sometimes after I enter my password and hit Enter, it just sits there seemingly motionless for a minute or two still stuck on that password entry screen but nothing can be done and the mouse isn't moveable. Maybe all is OK ...
    I have defragmented a lot recently. I have also done several deep scans with Security Essentials when it was working and more recently using AVG as it was installing. And I use cCleaner to get things cleaned up before I defrag.

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    da philster

    Should malware, rootkits, etc. be ruled out, perhaps a hardware issue exists.
    With the specs you've shown for your machine, it should run nicely.
    Even though S.M.A.R.T. shows that your drive is O.K., I wouldn't rely 100% on that info.
    Did you try running Windows' Check Disk utility? What about RAM? One of the sticks could be failing.
    The answer is out there somewhere.
    Cheers.

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    JADavis9

    Is Windows' Check Disk utility the Disk Cleanup in Accessories > System Tools?
    I am sorry to ask, but I am pretty new at this ...

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    da philster

    Here's a link to "Chkdsk" that has Microsoft explaining how to do it:

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265/en-us

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers

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    JADavis9

    I tried running the Guided Help version of Chkdsk found on that link. But it opened a small Guided Help window saying "Please wait" which stayed open for hours. I gave up after 2 hours and went to sleep. In the morning it still was there and clicking the Stop button in the window did nothing after waiting a long time and even clicking it many times. I tried going to Task Manager with Ctrl-Alt-Del and view Task Manager and saw nothing that should be stopped. So I was forced to select Shut Down which didn't work. So I was forced to shut down manually be holding down the power switch to force a shut down.

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    seanferd

    as it seems like that app is what is failing.

    So, we're going to do a command prompt again:
    Type
    cmd
    in the Run box, hit Enter.

    In the cmd window type
    chkdsk /r
    hit Enter.

    You'll probably get a "chkdsk can't run..." message. Type
    Y
    hit Enter. Then reboot.

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    JADavis9

    Yes, it ran after a restart. It took a long time to run all 5 stages!
    Stage 1 Files completed quickly
    Stage 2 Indexes took 5 minutes and said Recovering orphaned file SEP1.tmp(70685) into directory file 12750
    Stage 3 Security Descriptors was quick
    Stage 4 File Data took 48 minutes. Windows replaced bad clusters in file 45372 of name \WINDOWS\Motion\Intelw~1\Apps\iProData\CO2C2E.msi
    Stage 5 Free Space took 35 minutes.

    The volume is clean. Windows has finished checking the disk.
    I'll bet that I didn't need to write all of that stuff down since it is probably recorded in some log that I don't know about somewhere. Anyway Motion is the manufacturer of this tablet.
    After a reboot, I am not noticing any major change in performance. Maybe I am worrying about something that I should not worry about. I can't really change any hardware and this tablet has always booted a bit slower than a desktop pc. Hmmm

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    seanferd

    Although you did get a few minor errors fixed, which is always good.

    I'm sure the tablet will always boot slower than a desktop, as it has less power overall.

    Seems like the only thing you can really do is stop unnecessary programs from running at boot time/startup. Use the controls provided with the apps, or Autoruns, which has been mentioned elsewhere.

    if you don't have any unnecessary services or applications starting at boot, there doesn't seem to be much else you can do.

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    1) Memory. Update your memory to the maximum that your tablet can take.

    2) Harddrive. Get the fastest harddrive that you can buy. You can still get the 74gb (or the new one of which is 300 to 350gb) Western Digital Raptor (10,000 RPM) drives of which will speed up your tablet with no problem, except your battery might run down faster because of the speed of the drive.

    Windows XP on anything under 1 gb of ram is going to boot up slow.

    Hope this might be of help to you.