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How was someone else able to control a library computer?

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How was someone else able to control a library computer?

birchswinger
I broke off a romance with a tech geek who turned out to have unsavory connections. Initially he stalked me solo (I think), but somehow eventually got others to participate. Sounds implausible, but it happened and I have witnesses. QUESTION: During 2006 I repeatedly had this experience: I'd go to the library and begin to use a computer. All would be fine, but after a short time one of these proxy stalkers would show up, plant himself behind me, and start texting. Very quickly I'd lose control and/or access on that computer. I learned to beat the game, sort of, by suddenly running to a random computer, typing in an address I'd copied, and printing immediately. This was the only way to get any information on anything that might help me. A couple of times the thing I was reading disappeared,the screen and text changed color, and I was suddenly reading hostile messages like, "There's nothing for you here. Move along". (This when I'd found an article on rootkits in a journal for librarians.) Generally I don't share this bizarre story with people, because I know they'll be at least skeptical. But this stuff ACTUALLY HAPPENED, and I'd be grateful if you could help me understand HOW. Thanks in advance.
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    gechurch

    Perhaps the OP changed her question before I read it, but as it stands now there is no mention of passwords at all - the OP just wants to know how this has been happening.

    Can I suggest you now remove your reply so other potential helpers are not dissuaded?

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    No, gechurch, my reply will stand...the OP is asking how to break the
    security at the library's computer system...not "password" specifically,
    but system security none the less. If the OP cannot or will not use a
    search engine, of which there are several, to find the information then
    it is not upon TR members to show them how to crack system security.
    The other issue I have, they asked this same basic question twice.
    Even ignoring the paranoid delusional aspects of this "question", it
    has a smell of the darkside of system cracking. That is something that
    the majority of TR members have decided NOT to assist.
    Wizard57M
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    Charles Bundy

    Siding with wizard on this one. I have no idea what this is about but the profile for the OP is suspect both temporally and personally.

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    RSmiedy

    Wizard if you would like to bring down the whip on suggestions to hack, than go after Slayer. He made a post that says word for word "Since it was originally posted on TR, it should be ok. If the Library has open wireless. Download firesheep for firefox and use it to monitor the network. Then steal your stalkers login credentials and mess with them for a bit." and a comment saying word for word "This whole thread is getting funny. Hack that library computer. Just like that girl in school, everyone has already done it at least once".
    Ps: Please remember I am not attempting to engage in a flame war with any one.

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    Slayer_

    LOL, I am not saying anything that couldn't have been figured out through google.

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    Slayer_

    it is possible that there was remote control software on that computer in the library.
    Something like vnc could have been used.

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    demotricus

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    Purpleskys
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    demotricus

    I did not know that,...thought you guys were "all powerful"!....:-)

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    Slayer_

    They just think they are

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    OH Smeg

    Slayer I'll have you know that My Alter Ego is All Powerful. But it relies on opening Air Lock Doors behind you unexpectedly not deleting or locking threads.

    Col

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    Slayer_

    That sounds like an FTL reference....

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    RSmiedy

    Dear birchswinger,
    I do believe that this has happened to you and I might be able to shed light on this problem. The person doing this to you most likely is using an administrator's account. I have established this therory because a friend of mine was looking at adult rated sites at the library (not a good idea) and they locked the computer up tighter than fort knox and exited all of the web browsers. I hope that this has helped with your problem.

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    So, how can you draw a parallel from your friend surfing porn sites at a
    public library and subsequently getting the computer locked down to the
    OP's "situation" (which I feel is suspect, possibly delusional) of being
    stalked by a former boyfriend or his hired hackers? Is that what you are
    saying? Being stalked is the same as surfing porn?
    Genius...admin??? Really? I'd have never guessed!! DUH!
    Wizard57M
    TR Moderator
    and tempted to delete this entire thread as it is just too far out in
    left field, non-believable.
    Yes, I flagged your response, in case you were wondering.

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    gechurch

    Wizard and I will have to agree to disagree. Perhaps you've asked dodgy questions in the past (I haven't looked up your history) but I see nothing in your post asking for help to crack passwords or break system security, and I'm certainly not going to offer advice on anything such so I'm sure I can't be breaking any guidelines in answering your question.

    This certainly is weird, but not impossible. The messages you are seeing could be sent using "net send" which lets you send a popup message to another computer over the network (provided the security on the computers is weak enough). The screen colours changing could potentially be a dying monitor, and the thing disappearing could be Internet Explorer crashing. If all these things coincidentally happened then it's possible that there is no rootkit/infection involved. That's very unlikely to be the case though - I think you've basically answered your own question mentioning the rootkit. If he managed to infect the library PCs the rootkit would be sitting there waiting for commands. He could potentially do anything he wanted to with the machine. Given the symptoms this seems likely to be what he has done.

    If it were me I'd report it to the library/technical staff and suggest they run offline virus scans (or dedicated rootkit detection tools) on all the machines. Also be aware that if the machine is infected he could be detecting all the keystrokes you type, so don't use any passwords.

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    birchswinger

    Wow. First, thank you to gechurch, Rsmiedy, and Slayer for your rational, respectful responses to my question.( The only reason that I posted a similar questions elsewhere was that I thought I'd failed to post my first question successfully because I hadn't completed the registration process.) And now for the rest of you: As gechurch correctly pointed out, I asked no questions as to how passwords might be circumvented. Wizard57m-cnet's false statement that I "was asking how to break the security at the library's computer system" because I want "TR members to show me how to crack system security" is seriously objectionable coming from someone who is "serving" as a moderator on this site. Given the wording of both of my questions, "wizard", I'm gonna say you're the bull-goose paranoid here, and not I. And for crying out loud, what is your excuse for your infantile rudeness to Rsmiedy? Are you kidding me? You're supposed to be a "moderator"? You and several others certainly have reason to wonder at my strange story. It is incredibly weird, and no doubt about it. It was also extremely frightening to live through, and no amount of telling myself, "This is not happening because this can't be really happening" made it stop happening. You don't know that I'm delusional (I'm not, with witnesses and police reports to back me up) and really have no business casting aspersions on my character, intelligence or sanity ---all of which are well intact. Did it occur to you at all to show a bit of compassion? It really seems like it didn't. (Frankly even if I were suffering from delusions there would have been much more appropriate ways to respond.) I'm about to lose power, so I'll wrap up with another thanks to the nice folks out there. Nobody needs a ****-by-**** tutorial on how this nasty stuff is accomplished, but someone who's been victimized does need someone knowledgeable to go to bat for her when others take it upon themselves to dismiss her as "delusional".

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    What does this mean when you type, and I quote,
    "But this stuff ACTUALLY HAPPENED, and I'd be grateful if you could help me understand HOW. Thanks in advance."
    You asked HOW, did you not? You did not ask for help in preventing
    stalking, nor for help in dealing with compromised library computers.
    You asked for help in knowing HOW the computers were compromised,
    and for those questions we have developed the standard response I
    gave you, that TR members do not assist in cracking/hacking.
    Wizard57M
    TR Moderator

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    glen.harris

    Hi Birchswinger,

    I'm sorry to hear of your experience and can't begin to understand how upset you must have been.
    It is very difficult for anyone to establish how this happened as so much time has passed since the event.
    I feel it unfair that Wizard, who by the way is usually incredibly helpful to visitors here, referred to you as delusional and I'm sure his comment was not intended to offend. I'm no psychologist, but reading between the lines of your story these incidents have been keeping you awake at night for a long time. This really isn't right and it is time for you to draw a line under it and move on with life. Perhaps it's time you talked about your feelings by contacting a support group for people who have suffered from stalking. If one doesn't exist near you, your family Doctor may be able to refer you to a councilor who can listen and help you to get over this. You could maybe even be prescribed pills to take the edge off your worries.
    There's nothing to be ashamed about when talking to a medical practitioner about this - I seem to recall some stats to suggest that 2/3 people need help at some point in their lifetime.
    Don't let this A-hole ex wreck the rest of your life. If it is still worrying you, perhaps it is time to admit that you might have a problem, consider getting some help and begin looking forward to a life without torment.
    I hope you don't take offence at my comment and, should you choose to take my advice, please do come back and let us know how you are.

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    Nunob

    Content filter's or behavior monitoring applications can be configurred to popup pretty much any verbiage. As an example here I have configured our service to popup various different warning messages for different content. These messages replace whatever content is found to be potentially bad on the site so say that a specific banner advertisment on a website contains a keyword or content I have elected to block it will just be replaced with one of my messages. I notice at times when i am surfing the internet that on some websites some of the adverts will say 1 message and others will say another so i know from the verbiage what rule was violated by that advertisment or the site I was trying to surf. Now I have tried to make the messages descriptive so that others will understand what the warnings are. With that said it may be possible that what you are facing is the content filtering of the library and whoever configured it was less descriptive in their warning messages. It also is possible that you are actually seeing advertisments on the sites that are directed at searches for things that have been searched for like "Am I being hacked" or similar on that system.

    So you are basically elluding to someone is stalking you, ok if that is the case you need to contact your local authorities and the administrator at the library and inform them that you think this is happening. Until then it is easy for people to let their minds conjure up all sorts of ideas and to be worried about things that are only a perceived danger. For me I find it is best to find out if I have something to stress out about before I let my little hamster loose in the cage to run because I don't like to expend energy on worrying until I need to. If the library computers are being remotely controlled they need to know. If you are being harrassed the police need to know. So I encourage you to first find out if you have anything to worry about and if you do take the steps to protect yourself and others.

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    RSmiedy

    Good explination. I just have one objetion, and please remember I am not trying to be rude but, birchswinger said the computer was displaying a message that said "There's nothing for you here. Move along." Why would they have that message pop up if something was blocked.

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    Warwick05

    Hie I am no geek when it comes to computer security but from my experience I think this stalker might have hacked the library system and somehow managed to create a rootkit that monitors you when ever you login in to the system and start disrupting you, if this could help there is a software called RAT , its a remote access tool used to send Trojans and control whatever system that is infected the way you like, I suggest you read about it maybe you will have a n understanding on how it is possible.

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    Slayer_

    Since it was originally posted on TR, it should be ok.

    If the Library has open wireless. Download firesheep for firefox and use it to monitor the network. Then steal your stalkers login credentials and mess with them for a bit.

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    cybergrrl

    ...before asking any questions on TR as a result of this thread. I agree the response by wizard57m-cnet is rude and insulting, not only to birchswinger, but to other TR responders as well. I'm glad to hear that's not the norm. It seems the "helpful" responses here have helped explain "how" this could have happened, just as birchswinger asked, without giving any suggestion of hacking, cracking, or password circumvention. There's a difference between asking how a computer can be compromised and how to compromise a computer.

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    OH Smeg

    So how would you personally approach dealing with Problem Questions?

    The response submitted above was worked out by the TR Peers in an attempt to make a standard response which was neutral.

    If you think that the response above was Rude you can contribute the the discussion on the Standard Response here.

    www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/103-341154?tag=content;discussion-table

    Of course the response that some used to use which involves driving a solid metal rod through a CRT Monitor while being protected by having several points of the body directly connected tot he Metal Rod being driven through a running CRT Monitor which results in Electrocution and death may be your idea of a suitable answer.

    TR is supposed to be a place for TR Pros not for end users who come out with silly I forgot my password so you have to tell me how I can break it demands.

    On the whole we don't mind helping people but the reality is that some are just unbelievable and are treated as such by many TR Members. If that is Rude in your Eyes I would suggest that you are not a IT Professional and are a end user who would be better served by going elsewhere where Jaded IT Professionals are not likely to call what is obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person are considered as both Common Place and Reasonable.

    The reality is that People do not Cyber Stalk strangers and those who are stalked tend to bring it on themselves by their own actions.

    Personally i would have deleted the entire thread but that's just me as I would expect to see many of the Regulars here have fun with the OP and feed their Paranoid Delusions. When you ask stupid unbelievable questions of Professionals you have to expect to be treated accordingly and if you don't expect to get called out for what you have posted on a Public Forum you need much more help from Mental Health Professionals which simply can not be provided here nor should it be expected.

    Remember the carry ons in things like Days of Our Lives is Make Believe not Real Life.

    Col

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    gechurch

    @OH Smeg

    Wow! Condesending much! These forums are a place to help people. If you want to use them to treat people like crap and call them names because they aren't "professional" enough for your elitist attitude then I'd suggest that you're the type of person we don't want here. Honestly, where do you get off?

    "So how would you personally approach dealing with Problem Questions?"

    Your question assumes that this is in fact a problem question. I'm all for not helping people hack here but that simply is not the case here. Anyone that interprets "can anyone help me understand how a stalker was doing this?" as "Please tell me the specific steps I need to take to hack into a computer system, even though I haven't even mentioned which OS the system is running" has problems if you ask me.

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    Slayer_

    This whole thread is getting funny.

    Hack that library computer.
    Just like that girl in school, everyone has already done it at least once.

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    OH Smeg

    OK then Me Bad as I posted the wrong link. The correct one is here

    http://www.techrepublic .com/forum/discussions/102-248696-2392005
    remember to remove the space from between the techrepublic and the .com for a working link.

    Feel free to contribute to that discussion and I can tell you that there will be no complaints about resurrecting a Zombie Thread from anyone here who moderates the site so go ahead and jump right in.

    Unfortunately your Reading Comprehension is a Fail and you need to brush up on that one. I draw your attention to

    Wow! Condesending much! These forums are a place to help people. If you want to use them to treat people like crap and call them names because they aren't "professional" enough for your elitist attitude then I'd suggest that you're the type of person we don't want here. Honestly, where do you get off?

    Care to post back with that is what i said or in any way implied as my personal belief? What I said actually was

    The response submitted above was worked out by the TR Peers in an attempt to make a standard response which was neutral.

    If you think that the response above was Rude you can contribute the the discussion on the Standard Response here.


    That in no way implies that is what I would have said it does most certainly say however it could happen and has happened in the past by some others who I did not mention.

    I'm more than willing to engage in a conversation along these lines but you have to sit back dispassionately and read what was written not what you want to believe was written.

    If you really believe that there are no Jaded IT pros here may I ask what it is you are smoking and can I have some? I very well remember a discussion way back when a guy from South Africa made a post for workers to move to South Africa and the responses that got. About 6 months latter a company called Conical was started and while I can not prove that is the same person asking for staff to work there there has also not been any other new business started in the time frame so I believe that it's safe to add 2 + 2 and believe that the answer is 4.

    You have to remember that Nice is not normal on the Net and many people are downright NASTY believing that they are safe from being discovered for who that they actually are.

    What I did say above was that I honestly expected far worse that was given and if people where so upset that the should contribute to the Discussion that was had here to give a standard response that doesn't raise any hackles.

    So I'll say it again feel free to participate in the discussion at the above link. :0

    Col

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    gechurch

    I've got no issue with the standard response when applied correctly. But you'd have to be either genuinely idiotic (which clearly you are not), or deliberatly attempting to misdirect if you thought it was the standard response that I found rude, while ignoring your statements like:
    * "obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person"
    * "Paranoid Delusions"
    * "When you ask stupid unbelievable questions"
    * "The reality is that People do not Cyber Stalk strangers and those who are stalked tend to bring it on themselves by their own actions"

    Those things are all unfounded, uncalled for, and incredibly rude and condescending.

    I'm sure there are plenty of jaded IT pro's here. So what? That means that no-one is allowed to come and ask questions here, because it might upset people that are already jaded?? Now who's dillusional. Perhaps you're one of those jaded IT professionals that don't like answering stupid questions. That's absolutely fine - don't answer! But being jaded is no reason to go around demeaning people you know nothing about. If you want to be unneccessarily rude to people you don't know in forums go join Slashdot or Youtube because you're right, this here is a place for professionals.

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    OH Smeg

    Well then I suppose you should read my post above as a question to the person who posted and not the the Original Poster which it was never intended for.

    After all it was a reply to Cybergirl who specifically posted

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    ...before asking any questions on TR as a result of this thread. I agree the response by wizard57m-cnet is rude and insulting, not only to birchswinger, but to other TR responders as well.


    The above was in no way aimed at the OP and I can not see how it could be interpreted that way either. but as you prefer to limit your responses to the following lets have a look see shall we?

    * "obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person"
    * "Paranoid Delusions"
    * "When you ask stupid unbelievable questions"
    * "The reality is that People do not Cyber Stalk strangers and those who are stalked tend to bring it on themselves by their own actions"


    obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person" was used this way

    If that is Rude in your Eyes I would suggest that you are not a IT Professional and are a end user who would be better served by going elsewhere where Jaded IT Professionals are not likely to call what is obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person are considered as both Common Place and Reasonable.

    So just how is that in any way directly directed at the OP here? I was suggesting that the person in question may not be a Thick Skinned IT professional who is constantly blamed for what doesn't work in the eyes of the people who want it to. It was not intended to in any way relate to the OP here but was aimed as a general question on Questionable Content that does get posted on this Forum.

    It is up to the people appointed as Moderators to remove posts like that and if anything it makes them more Jaded than they already where. Personally I deliberately refrained from posting a answer to the OP here because I felt the post was way too open and left too much room for abuse.

    as for

    The reality is that People do not Cyber Stalk strangers and those who are stalked tend to bring it on themselves by their own actions"

    Sorry but that is exactly what the AU Federal Police say and to all intents and purposes is correct. There are very few people who get stalked who do not know the person stalking them and of those who are stalked and do not know who the person is they mostly happen to be Celebrities who get No Hoper Losers fasting onto them as a means to improve their perceived shortcomings.

    That to is in no way directed as the OP here and was posted in Response to a direct comment claiming that it was rude to say something.

    Well unfortunately the fact of life is that most people who hide behind an Alases on the Net are more than Rude they are Downright Objectionable.

    But to make you feel better if you like I can delete the entire thread as it's now gone beyond the bizarre.

    So would you like me to delete it?

    Col

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    gechurch

    Perhaps the OP changed her question before I read it, but as it stands now there is no mention of passwords at all - the OP just wants to know how this has been happening.

    Can I suggest you now remove your reply so other potential helpers are not dissuaded?

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    No, gechurch, my reply will stand...the OP is asking how to break the
    security at the library's computer system...not "password" specifically,
    but system security none the less. If the OP cannot or will not use a
    search engine, of which there are several, to find the information then
    it is not upon TR members to show them how to crack system security.
    The other issue I have, they asked this same basic question twice.
    Even ignoring the paranoid delusional aspects of this "question", it
    has a smell of the darkside of system cracking. That is something that
    the majority of TR members have decided NOT to assist.
    Wizard57M
    TR Moderator

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    Charles Bundy

    Siding with wizard on this one. I have no idea what this is about but the profile for the OP is suspect both temporally and personally.

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    RSmiedy

    Wizard if you would like to bring down the whip on suggestions to hack, than go after Slayer. He made a post that says word for word "Since it was originally posted on TR, it should be ok. If the Library has open wireless. Download firesheep for firefox and use it to monitor the network. Then steal your stalkers login credentials and mess with them for a bit." and a comment saying word for word "This whole thread is getting funny. Hack that library computer. Just like that girl in school, everyone has already done it at least once".
    Ps: Please remember I am not attempting to engage in a flame war with any one.

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    Slayer_

    LOL, I am not saying anything that couldn't have been figured out through google.

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    Slayer_

    it is possible that there was remote control software on that computer in the library.
    Something like vnc could have been used.

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    demotricus

    If you`re the Moderator then just lock the thread....

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    As Moderator's, we still do not have the ability to lock a discussion; that is passed on to higher powers. We have to ability to flag and delete a discussion is need be; some discussions are flagged and passed onto others that make the decision on whether or not to lock it down.

    Purpleskys
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    demotricus

    I did not know that,...thought you guys were "all powerful"!....:-)

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    Slayer_

    They just think they are

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    OH Smeg

    Slayer I'll have you know that My Alter Ego is All Powerful. But it relies on opening Air Lock Doors behind you unexpectedly not deleting or locking threads.

    Col

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    Slayer_

    That sounds like an FTL reference....

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    RSmiedy

    Dear birchswinger,
    I do believe that this has happened to you and I might be able to shed light on this problem. The person doing this to you most likely is using an administrator's account. I have established this therory because a friend of mine was looking at adult rated sites at the library (not a good idea) and they locked the computer up tighter than fort knox and exited all of the web browsers. I hope that this has helped with your problem.

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    So, how can you draw a parallel from your friend surfing porn sites at a
    public library and subsequently getting the computer locked down to the
    OP's "situation" (which I feel is suspect, possibly delusional) of being
    stalked by a former boyfriend or his hired hackers? Is that what you are
    saying? Being stalked is the same as surfing porn?
    Genius...admin??? Really? I'd have never guessed!! DUH!
    Wizard57M
    TR Moderator
    and tempted to delete this entire thread as it is just too far out in
    left field, non-believable.
    Yes, I flagged your response, in case you were wondering.

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    gechurch

    Wizard and I will have to agree to disagree. Perhaps you've asked dodgy questions in the past (I haven't looked up your history) but I see nothing in your post asking for help to crack passwords or break system security, and I'm certainly not going to offer advice on anything such so I'm sure I can't be breaking any guidelines in answering your question.

    This certainly is weird, but not impossible. The messages you are seeing could be sent using "net send" which lets you send a popup message to another computer over the network (provided the security on the computers is weak enough). The screen colours changing could potentially be a dying monitor, and the thing disappearing could be Internet Explorer crashing. If all these things coincidentally happened then it's possible that there is no rootkit/infection involved. That's very unlikely to be the case though - I think you've basically answered your own question mentioning the rootkit. If he managed to infect the library PCs the rootkit would be sitting there waiting for commands. He could potentially do anything he wanted to with the machine. Given the symptoms this seems likely to be what he has done.

    If it were me I'd report it to the library/technical staff and suggest they run offline virus scans (or dedicated rootkit detection tools) on all the machines. Also be aware that if the machine is infected he could be detecting all the keystrokes you type, so don't use any passwords.

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    birchswinger

    Wow. First, thank you to gechurch, Rsmiedy, and Slayer for your rational, respectful responses to my question.( The only reason that I posted a similar questions elsewhere was that I thought I'd failed to post my first question successfully because I hadn't completed the registration process.) And now for the rest of you: As gechurch correctly pointed out, I asked no questions as to how passwords might be circumvented. Wizard57m-cnet's false statement that I "was asking how to break the security at the library's computer system" because I want "TR members to show me how to crack system security" is seriously objectionable coming from someone who is "serving" as a moderator on this site. Given the wording of both of my questions, "wizard", I'm gonna say you're the bull-goose paranoid here, and not I. And for crying out loud, what is your excuse for your infantile rudeness to Rsmiedy? Are you kidding me? You're supposed to be a "moderator"? You and several others certainly have reason to wonder at my strange story. It is incredibly weird, and no doubt about it. It was also extremely frightening to live through, and no amount of telling myself, "This is not happening because this can't be really happening" made it stop happening. You don't know that I'm delusional (I'm not, with witnesses and police reports to back me up) and really have no business casting aspersions on my character, intelligence or sanity ---all of which are well intact. Did it occur to you at all to show a bit of compassion? It really seems like it didn't. (Frankly even if I were suffering from delusions there would have been much more appropriate ways to respond.) I'm about to lose power, so I'll wrap up with another thanks to the nice folks out there. Nobody needs a ****-by-**** tutorial on how this nasty stuff is accomplished, but someone who's been victimized does need someone knowledgeable to go to bat for her when others take it upon themselves to dismiss her as "delusional".

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    What does this mean when you type, and I quote,
    "But this stuff ACTUALLY HAPPENED, and I'd be grateful if you could help me understand HOW. Thanks in advance."
    You asked HOW, did you not? You did not ask for help in preventing
    stalking, nor for help in dealing with compromised library computers.
    You asked for help in knowing HOW the computers were compromised,
    and for those questions we have developed the standard response I
    gave you, that TR members do not assist in cracking/hacking.
    Wizard57M
    TR Moderator

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    glen.harris

    Hi Birchswinger,

    I'm sorry to hear of your experience and can't begin to understand how upset you must have been.
    It is very difficult for anyone to establish how this happened as so much time has passed since the event.
    I feel it unfair that Wizard, who by the way is usually incredibly helpful to visitors here, referred to you as delusional and I'm sure his comment was not intended to offend. I'm no psychologist, but reading between the lines of your story these incidents have been keeping you awake at night for a long time. This really isn't right and it is time for you to draw a line under it and move on with life. Perhaps it's time you talked about your feelings by contacting a support group for people who have suffered from stalking. If one doesn't exist near you, your family Doctor may be able to refer you to a councilor who can listen and help you to get over this. You could maybe even be prescribed pills to take the edge off your worries.
    There's nothing to be ashamed about when talking to a medical practitioner about this - I seem to recall some stats to suggest that 2/3 people need help at some point in their lifetime.
    Don't let this A-hole ex wreck the rest of your life. If it is still worrying you, perhaps it is time to admit that you might have a problem, consider getting some help and begin looking forward to a life without torment.
    I hope you don't take offence at my comment and, should you choose to take my advice, please do come back and let us know how you are.

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    Nunob

    Content filter's or behavior monitoring applications can be configurred to popup pretty much any verbiage. As an example here I have configured our service to popup various different warning messages for different content. These messages replace whatever content is found to be potentially bad on the site so say that a specific banner advertisment on a website contains a keyword or content I have elected to block it will just be replaced with one of my messages. I notice at times when i am surfing the internet that on some websites some of the adverts will say 1 message and others will say another so i know from the verbiage what rule was violated by that advertisment or the site I was trying to surf. Now I have tried to make the messages descriptive so that others will understand what the warnings are. With that said it may be possible that what you are facing is the content filtering of the library and whoever configured it was less descriptive in their warning messages. It also is possible that you are actually seeing advertisments on the sites that are directed at searches for things that have been searched for like "Am I being hacked" or similar on that system.

    So you are basically elluding to someone is stalking you, ok if that is the case you need to contact your local authorities and the administrator at the library and inform them that you think this is happening. Until then it is easy for people to let their minds conjure up all sorts of ideas and to be worried about things that are only a perceived danger. For me I find it is best to find out if I have something to stress out about before I let my little hamster loose in the cage to run because I don't like to expend energy on worrying until I need to. If the library computers are being remotely controlled they need to know. If you are being harrassed the police need to know. So I encourage you to first find out if you have anything to worry about and if you do take the steps to protect yourself and others.

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    RSmiedy

    Good explination. I just have one objetion, and please remember I am not trying to be rude but, birchswinger said the computer was displaying a message that said "There's nothing for you here. Move along." Why would they have that message pop up if something was blocked.

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    Warwick05

    Hie I am no geek when it comes to computer security but from my experience I think this stalker might have hacked the library system and somehow managed to create a rootkit that monitors you when ever you login in to the system and start disrupting you, if this could help there is a software called RAT , its a remote access tool used to send Trojans and control whatever system that is infected the way you like, I suggest you read about it maybe you will have a n understanding on how it is possible.

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    Slayer_

    Since it was originally posted on TR, it should be ok.

    If the Library has open wireless. Download firesheep for firefox and use it to monitor the network. Then steal your stalkers login credentials and mess with them for a bit.

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    cybergrrl

    ...before asking any questions on TR as a result of this thread. I agree the response by wizard57m-cnet is rude and insulting, not only to birchswinger, but to other TR responders as well. I'm glad to hear that's not the norm. It seems the "helpful" responses here have helped explain "how" this could have happened, just as birchswinger asked, without giving any suggestion of hacking, cracking, or password circumvention. There's a difference between asking how a computer can be compromised and how to compromise a computer.

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    OH Smeg

    So how would you personally approach dealing with Problem Questions?

    The response submitted above was worked out by the TR Peers in an attempt to make a standard response which was neutral.

    If you think that the response above was Rude you can contribute the the discussion on the Standard Response here.

    www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/103-341154?tag=content;discussion-table

    Of course the response that some used to use which involves driving a solid metal rod through a CRT Monitor while being protected by having several points of the body directly connected tot he Metal Rod being driven through a running CRT Monitor which results in Electrocution and death may be your idea of a suitable answer.

    TR is supposed to be a place for TR Pros not for end users who come out with silly I forgot my password so you have to tell me how I can break it demands.

    On the whole we don't mind helping people but the reality is that some are just unbelievable and are treated as such by many TR Members. If that is Rude in your Eyes I would suggest that you are not a IT Professional and are a end user who would be better served by going elsewhere where Jaded IT Professionals are not likely to call what is obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person are considered as both Common Place and Reasonable.

    The reality is that People do not Cyber Stalk strangers and those who are stalked tend to bring it on themselves by their own actions.

    Personally i would have deleted the entire thread but that's just me as I would expect to see many of the Regulars here have fun with the OP and feed their Paranoid Delusions. When you ask stupid unbelievable questions of Professionals you have to expect to be treated accordingly and if you don't expect to get called out for what you have posted on a Public Forum you need much more help from Mental Health Professionals which simply can not be provided here nor should it be expected.

    Remember the carry ons in things like Days of Our Lives is Make Believe not Real Life.

    Col

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    gechurch

    @OH Smeg

    Wow! Condesending much! These forums are a place to help people. If you want to use them to treat people like crap and call them names because they aren't "professional" enough for your elitist attitude then I'd suggest that you're the type of person we don't want here. Honestly, where do you get off?

    "So how would you personally approach dealing with Problem Questions?"

    Your question assumes that this is in fact a problem question. I'm all for not helping people hack here but that simply is not the case here. Anyone that interprets "can anyone help me understand how a stalker was doing this?" as "Please tell me the specific steps I need to take to hack into a computer system, even though I haven't even mentioned which OS the system is running" has problems if you ask me.

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    Slayer_

    This whole thread is getting funny.

    Hack that library computer.
    Just like that girl in school, everyone has already done it at least once.

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    OH Smeg

    OK then Me Bad as I posted the wrong link. The correct one is here

    http://www.techrepublic .com/forum/discussions/102-248696-2392005
    remember to remove the space from between the techrepublic and the .com for a working link.

    Feel free to contribute to that discussion and I can tell you that there will be no complaints about resurrecting a Zombie Thread from anyone here who moderates the site so go ahead and jump right in.

    Unfortunately your Reading Comprehension is a Fail and you need to brush up on that one. I draw your attention to

    Wow! Condesending much! These forums are a place to help people. If you want to use them to treat people like crap and call them names because they aren't "professional" enough for your elitist attitude then I'd suggest that you're the type of person we don't want here. Honestly, where do you get off?

    Care to post back with that is what i said or in any way implied as my personal belief? What I said actually was

    The response submitted above was worked out by the TR Peers in an attempt to make a standard response which was neutral.

    If you think that the response above was Rude you can contribute the the discussion on the Standard Response here.


    That in no way implies that is what I would have said it does most certainly say however it could happen and has happened in the past by some others who I did not mention.

    I'm more than willing to engage in a conversation along these lines but you have to sit back dispassionately and read what was written not what you want to believe was written.

    If you really believe that there are no Jaded IT pros here may I ask what it is you are smoking and can I have some? I very well remember a discussion way back when a guy from South Africa made a post for workers to move to South Africa and the responses that got. About 6 months latter a company called Conical was started and while I can not prove that is the same person asking for staff to work there there has also not been any other new business started in the time frame so I believe that it's safe to add 2 + 2 and believe that the answer is 4.

    You have to remember that Nice is not normal on the Net and many people are downright NASTY believing that they are safe from being discovered for who that they actually are.

    What I did say above was that I honestly expected far worse that was given and if people where so upset that the should contribute to the Discussion that was had here to give a standard response that doesn't raise any hackles.

    So I'll say it again feel free to participate in the discussion at the above link. :0

    Col

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    gechurch

    I've got no issue with the standard response when applied correctly. But you'd have to be either genuinely idiotic (which clearly you are not), or deliberatly attempting to misdirect if you thought it was the standard response that I found rude, while ignoring your statements like:
    * "obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person"
    * "Paranoid Delusions"
    * "When you ask stupid unbelievable questions"
    * "The reality is that People do not Cyber Stalk strangers and those who are stalked tend to bring it on themselves by their own actions"

    Those things are all unfounded, uncalled for, and incredibly rude and condescending.

    I'm sure there are plenty of jaded IT pro's here. So what? That means that no-one is allowed to come and ask questions here, because it might upset people that are already jaded?? Now who's dillusional. Perhaps you're one of those jaded IT professionals that don't like answering stupid questions. That's absolutely fine - don't answer! But being jaded is no reason to go around demeaning people you know nothing about. If you want to be unneccessarily rude to people you don't know in forums go join Slashdot or Youtube because you're right, this here is a place for professionals.

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    OH Smeg

    Well then I suppose you should read my post above as a question to the person who posted and not the the Original Poster which it was never intended for.

    After all it was a reply to Cybergirl who specifically posted

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    - .I'll think twice in the future...
    ...before asking any questions on TR as a result of this thread. I agree the response by wizard57m-cnet is rude and insulting, not only to birchswinger, but to other TR responders as well.


    The above was in no way aimed at the OP and I can not see how it could be interpreted that way either. but as you prefer to limit your responses to the following lets have a look see shall we?

    * "obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person"
    * "Paranoid Delusions"
    * "When you ask stupid unbelievable questions"
    * "The reality is that People do not Cyber Stalk strangers and those who are stalked tend to bring it on themselves by their own actions"


    obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person" was used this way

    If that is Rude in your Eyes I would suggest that you are not a IT Professional and are a end user who would be better served by going elsewhere where Jaded IT Professionals are not likely to call what is obviously the ramblings of a Mad-Person are considered as both Common Place and Reasonable.

    So just how is that in any way directly directed at the OP here? I was suggesting that the person in question may not be a Thick Skinned IT professional who is constantly blamed for what doesn't work in the eyes of the people who want it to. It was not intended to in any way relate to the OP here but was aimed as a general question on Questionable Content that does get posted on this Forum.

    It is up to the people appointed as Moderators to remove posts like that and if anything it makes them more Jaded than they already where. Personally I deliberately refrained from posting a answer to the OP here because I felt the post was way too open and left too much room for abuse.

    as for

    The reality is that People do not Cyber Stalk strangers and those who are stalked tend to bring it on themselves by their own actions"

    Sorry but that is exactly what the AU Federal Police say and to all intents and purposes is correct. There are very few people who get stalked who do not know the person stalking them and of those who are stalked and do not know who the person is they mostly happen to be Celebrities who get No Hoper Losers fasting onto them as a means to improve their perceived shortcomings.

    That to is in no way directed as the OP here and was posted in Response to a direct comment claiming that it was rude to say something.

    Well unfortunately the fact of life is that most people who hide behind an Alases on the Net are more than Rude they are Downright Objectionable.

    But to make you feel better if you like I can delete the entire thread as it's now gone beyond the bizarre.

    So would you like me to delete it?

    Col