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I got a PC with Windows 7 installed. I prefer XP.

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I got a PC with Windows 7 installed. I prefer XP.

allan1932
I took the hard drive out of the Windows 7 PC & fitted it as a second hard drive in my XP PC with a view to formatting it in my XP PC. The drive is not recognised, even by Acronis Disk Director. Should it be possible to format the drive in the XP PC or would I have to format it some other way?
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    robo_dev

    Is the secondary drive recognized by the BIOS of the computer? If Acronis cannot see it, then I suspect your problem is either a BIOS setting or a jumper, if this is an IDE drive.

    If this is a SATA drive, often the secondary SATA port is disabled by default in the BIOS on many computers.

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    OH Smeg

    If it's a IDE Drive it may be too big for the BIOS of the Older system.

    If it's a SATA Drive what does the Disc Manager say in XP?

    Also if this drive is a SATA Drive what does the BIOS Show and have you looked at things like if the RAID Array is enabled?

    If it's a IDE/PATA Drive is it correctly jumpered to Slave or Cable Select/CS and installed to the Middle Connector on the IDE Cable?

    But as to your question here the answer is provided that it doesn't exceed the BIOS ability to read the drive yes you should be able to format it on the XP System though it is very unlikely to appear in either My Computer or Explorer you will need to look in Drive Management and format from there.

    However just because you can format the drive doesn't mean that your new computer will work with XP. Many new pieces of Hardware no longer have XP Drivers and do not work with XP any more. What you need to do is open the Device Manager in Windows 7 and make a list of all installed Drivers. They either look on the Makers Web Site to see if they have XP Drivers or Google XP Drivers for every device that 7 has a driver for.

    If there is anything that doesn't have a XP Driver that bit of Hardware will not work under XP.

    You would however be better off Wiping the Drive in the 7 System with something like Kill Disc which is available free here

    http://www.killdisk.com/downloadfree.htm

    Then setting about installing XP to it after it is wiped.

    Col

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    NexS

    That Windows XP, even SP3, will become obsolete and not supported by Microsoft at some point in the (nearish) future.
    The worst thing that can happen is for you to be forced to update and know nothing about the OS - That's the problem I'm facing with Office 2010/2003.

    Just gotta bite the bullet.


    In regards to formatting it, you should be able to put your Windows XP CD in and go through the boot/format process with the drive plugged in the new box.

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    TheChas

    What I would do in your situation would be to save the original hard drive as is. That way, you can switch to Windows 7 in the future and not need to find recovery disks or buy a copy of Windows 7.

    Next, unless you booted up the new PC and configured it, the hard drive is likely set to boot to the recovery partition and install Windows 7. It does not show up on your XP system because the drive has not been fully configured.

    As I said, I would install XP onto a new / different hard drive.

    Start with a hardware inventory of your new PC.

    Can you find XP version drivers for all of the hardware?
    If not, can you replace the hardware? Or disable it?

    Keep in mind that you may need a XP driver for the hard drive interface. If so, you will either need a floppy drive or you will need to slip-stream the storage driver onto a XP install CD.

    There are many articles posted on how to create a bootable slip-stream CD with a driver.

    As stated in another answer, XP is on extended support. So only critical and security patches will be released. Support for XP is scheduled to end in 2014. That leaves you with 4 years to use this system for Internet access before the security risks climb.

    Chas

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    ameack

    Hi,

    Instead of changing drives installing softwares and drivers and etc.
    why don't you let win 7 work like XP
    download the exe file below from Microsoft and you can run the PC in XP mode.


    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

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    OH Smeg

    The base versions that generally come with Off the Shelf Systems do not support XP Mode or Virtual PC.

    But if the OP has the Minimum version of 7 that can run XP Mode or above they can try looking at the Domination of XP Mode here

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/default.aspx

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    allan1932

    Thank you all for your advice. I am considering the way ahead & will reply later.

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    allan1932

    First of all I should explain in more detail what the setup is.
    1.The Windows 7 drive was taken out of a broken PC. It is an IDE.
    2.I want to make use of it as storage in a second PC which has XP on the SATA drive.

    Following your advice I have checked & found that the Windows 7 drive was configured as master. I have now set it as slave. A DVD drive is the master on that IDE cable.

    The PC still boots to Windows XP, which is what I want.

    The Windows 7 drive is now recognised & has two partitions, a FAT32 recovery partition & an NTFS Windows 7 partition.

    I could divide the Windows 7 partition into two in order to:-
    a. Retain Windows 7 for future use, &
    b. Use the newly created partition for storage.

    Is that a bad idea?

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    OH Smeg

    As the Windows 7 Drive comes from a different system it's Hardware Abstraction Layer will not be correct for the system that it is now in and it's not going to boot.

    I would suggest deleting the entire Windows 7 Partition and using it as Storage Space. After all you are not going to be able to use it as a Windows 7 Boot Drive here.

    Col

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    allan1932

    Thankyou Col. Will follow your advice.

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    deICERAY

    Then format it to FAT32; then put it in XP box, then disconnect all drives then reboot and let it run, shut it down, re-connect everything and you should be good to go. Also make sure the jumpers are set so that the Master is the Master and the Slave is the slave; don't use the CS setting. Oh, that is, is they are both the same class of drives. If they are different types of drives, IDE, SATA, etc, then they are on separate channels and your setting selections will depend on what they are and if there is a CD/DVD drive. Too little info in your post to be sure, but staying with XP is the best idea you've had! LOSE7 will only drive you crazy, in my opinion. I've gone back and am content to use XP until my machine seizes up from rust.

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    allan1932

    Agree. Will stick with XP as long as possible. Thank you all for your interest & advice.

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    robo_dev

    Is the secondary drive recognized by the BIOS of the computer? If Acronis cannot see it, then I suspect your problem is either a BIOS setting or a jumper, if this is an IDE drive.

    If this is a SATA drive, often the secondary SATA port is disabled by default in the BIOS on many computers.

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    OH Smeg

    If it's a IDE Drive it may be too big for the BIOS of the Older system.

    If it's a SATA Drive what does the Disc Manager say in XP?

    Also if this drive is a SATA Drive what does the BIOS Show and have you looked at things like if the RAID Array is enabled?

    If it's a IDE/PATA Drive is it correctly jumpered to Slave or Cable Select/CS and installed to the Middle Connector on the IDE Cable?

    But as to your question here the answer is provided that it doesn't exceed the BIOS ability to read the drive yes you should be able to format it on the XP System though it is very unlikely to appear in either My Computer or Explorer you will need to look in Drive Management and format from there.

    However just because you can format the drive doesn't mean that your new computer will work with XP. Many new pieces of Hardware no longer have XP Drivers and do not work with XP any more. What you need to do is open the Device Manager in Windows 7 and make a list of all installed Drivers. They either look on the Makers Web Site to see if they have XP Drivers or Google XP Drivers for every device that 7 has a driver for.

    If there is anything that doesn't have a XP Driver that bit of Hardware will not work under XP.

    You would however be better off Wiping the Drive in the 7 System with something like Kill Disc which is available free here

    http://www.killdisk.com/downloadfree.htm

    Then setting about installing XP to it after it is wiped.

    Col

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    NexS

    That Windows XP, even SP3, will become obsolete and not supported by Microsoft at some point in the (nearish) future.
    The worst thing that can happen is for you to be forced to update and know nothing about the OS - That's the problem I'm facing with Office 2010/2003.

    Just gotta bite the bullet.


    In regards to formatting it, you should be able to put your Windows XP CD in and go through the boot/format process with the drive plugged in the new box.

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    TheChas

    What I would do in your situation would be to save the original hard drive as is. That way, you can switch to Windows 7 in the future and not need to find recovery disks or buy a copy of Windows 7.

    Next, unless you booted up the new PC and configured it, the hard drive is likely set to boot to the recovery partition and install Windows 7. It does not show up on your XP system because the drive has not been fully configured.

    As I said, I would install XP onto a new / different hard drive.

    Start with a hardware inventory of your new PC.

    Can you find XP version drivers for all of the hardware?
    If not, can you replace the hardware? Or disable it?

    Keep in mind that you may need a XP driver for the hard drive interface. If so, you will either need a floppy drive or you will need to slip-stream the storage driver onto a XP install CD.

    There are many articles posted on how to create a bootable slip-stream CD with a driver.

    As stated in another answer, XP is on extended support. So only critical and security patches will be released. Support for XP is scheduled to end in 2014. That leaves you with 4 years to use this system for Internet access before the security risks climb.

    Chas

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    ameack

    Hi,

    Instead of changing drives installing softwares and drivers and etc.
    why don't you let win 7 work like XP
    download the exe file below from Microsoft and you can run the PC in XP mode.


    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

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    OH Smeg

    The base versions that generally come with Off the Shelf Systems do not support XP Mode or Virtual PC.

    But if the OP has the Minimum version of 7 that can run XP Mode or above they can try looking at the Domination of XP Mode here

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/default.aspx

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    allan1932

    Thank you all for your advice. I am considering the way ahead & will reply later.

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    allan1932

    First of all I should explain in more detail what the setup is.
    1.The Windows 7 drive was taken out of a broken PC. It is an IDE.
    2.I want to make use of it as storage in a second PC which has XP on the SATA drive.

    Following your advice I have checked & found that the Windows 7 drive was configured as master. I have now set it as slave. A DVD drive is the master on that IDE cable.

    The PC still boots to Windows XP, which is what I want.

    The Windows 7 drive is now recognised & has two partitions, a FAT32 recovery partition & an NTFS Windows 7 partition.

    I could divide the Windows 7 partition into two in order to:-
    a. Retain Windows 7 for future use, &
    b. Use the newly created partition for storage.

    Is that a bad idea?

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    OH Smeg

    As the Windows 7 Drive comes from a different system it's Hardware Abstraction Layer will not be correct for the system that it is now in and it's not going to boot.

    I would suggest deleting the entire Windows 7 Partition and using it as Storage Space. After all you are not going to be able to use it as a Windows 7 Boot Drive here.

    Col

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    allan1932

    Thankyou Col. Will follow your advice.

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    deICERAY

    Then format it to FAT32; then put it in XP box, then disconnect all drives then reboot and let it run, shut it down, re-connect everything and you should be good to go. Also make sure the jumpers are set so that the Master is the Master and the Slave is the slave; don't use the CS setting. Oh, that is, is they are both the same class of drives. If they are different types of drives, IDE, SATA, etc, then they are on separate channels and your setting selections will depend on what they are and if there is a CD/DVD drive. Too little info in your post to be sure, but staying with XP is the best idea you've had! LOSE7 will only drive you crazy, in my opinion. I've gone back and am content to use XP until my machine seizes up from rust.

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    allan1932

    Agree. Will stick with XP as long as possible. Thank you all for your interest & advice.