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I have a Windows 7 upgrade question...

LiLac22281
I am getting a new hard drive and I want to upgrade to W7. Do I have to install XP on the new hard drive first, then install W7? Or will I be able to put my old XP key in, and MS will know that it's an upgrade? I hope my question makes sense--I'm a little tired. Thanks for your time.
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    shasca

    In what capacity did you purchase the Windows 7 install? If it's an upgrade you should be prompted for the XP disc during a fresh install. You can bypass the upgrade option, and say do a fresh install under advanced options during the install also.

    These are general answers so a bit more insight will help folks help you.

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    yovev

    Unfortunately, Microsoft do not offer direct upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7. The only way to upgrade is to install Vista over the XP and then do the upgrade to 7.
    However, it would take much shorter time if you make clean install of Windows 7 on the new hard drive.
    As for the licensing and activation of Windows 7, I am sure that you can not use your XP product key to activate Windows 7!

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    OnTheRopes

    If you upgrade XP to Vista to Windows 7 the XP key can't be used to activate XP again. Microsoft invalidates XP when upgrading to Vista. It may also invalidate Vista's activation when upgrading to 7. I'd have to read 7's Upgrade EULA to find out.<br>

    From Vista's EULA:
    <i>"13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from."</i><br>
    From: http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-invalidates-your-xp-key/ <br>
    There are several articles referring to this issue. It doesn't seem to be well known.

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    LiLac22281

    When I say "upgrade" I mean that I pay the same as a Vista user would. MS website says that anyone running XP or Vista can "upgrade." What I'm trying to ask is will MS be able to verify that I have an XP license without me having to install XP on the new hard drive first. Or will I have to install XP on the new hard drive, put in the XP key, then install W7?

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    LiLac22281

    Since you suggested it, I looked at it again. Thanks to you suggesting it, I found the Windows Easy Transfer download. I had already used the Files and Settings Transfer Wizard, which I just found out is not compatible with W7. So, thanks. I'm still looking for the answer to my original question though!

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    OH Smeg

    Is that plain enough for you?

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    OH Smeg

    But you can not use your KP Product Key you need to use the Windows 7 Product that came with the Install Disc.

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    yovev

    I will try to give you an example of why you can not use your XP product key with Windows 7.
    Imagine you buy a car. In 5 years the manufacturer makes a new model. Can you just replase you old car with the new model for free? I think not :)

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    we're being probed.

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    LiLac22281

    I may not be an IT guru, but I do have a brain, and I'm not stupid. Some of you are professionals and can't comprehend a simple question. And instead of just leaving it alone, you use some kind of sordid sense of humor to make yourself look good because you think you know more than me. Hasn't your mother ever told you "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all?" Well, mine hasn't either, but I have sense enough to know not to antagonize people.
    Simply put: 1.) I have XP and I'm getting Windows 7 and a new hard drive. 2.)Surely I can't purchase W7 and the upgrade price and put it in a new hard drive and MS will just take my word for it. 3.) So do I have to install XP in the new hard drive before W7?
    I have searched the net and MS website, and can't find the answer to my question. That's why I'm here. I like computers just like the rest of you, but I don't know everything. I just put in a new cpu yesterday. I have also put in an ethernet card, video card, maxed out my ram, got a new dvd player--and I did all this myself. I found out how to do the stuff, and I did it. So please, stop treating me like I'm some bimbo, twirling my hair and popping gum saying "I don't get it!" looking for a man to do everything for me. Some of you need to read the terms of use...stop spamming people and stop making smart aleck remarks to people.

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    OH Smeg

    No you do not have to install XP. The Upgrade Disc may look for some XP Files when they are used on a Blank Drive so you'll be prompted to insert the XP Disc. But as the Recommended Upgrade Method from M$ is a Clean install to a Blank Drive you will be doing exactly what M$ Recommend to do to install the 7 OS.

    You will receive a new product key with the Upgrade version of 7 and you will have to use that Key to finish the 7 installation. You Can Not use a XP Product Key successfully with the 7 OS.

    Col

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    LiLac22281

    dell didn't provide a disk way back when. luckily my dad asked them for an xp disk cuz he likes to see if he can crash the computers and fix them (don't ask). conclusion--1. install w7 on new hard drive 2. w7 will ask for xp disk if upgrade 3. problem solved. thanks again

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    OH Smeg

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    yovev

    Why so harsh? I really like to see non pros handling and understanding tech. After all our job is to answer such questions from people like you every single day. Do you think we would have our jobs if we, like you say, be that arrogant? Maybe you should call Microsoft next time having question about licensing.

    Best of wishes and take it easy

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    LiLac22281

    Just because I'm a "non-pro" as you call it (novice, I think is the word), doesn't mean that I'm not capable of doing anything on my own. I am studying just like you had to study in order to learn what you know. I'm sure you didn't come out going "Goo-goo, ga-ga, I like IT!" IT may be your job, but answering questions on TechRepublic is not. So either you like antagonizing people when they don't know what you know, or you like helping them--you can't do both. Happy Valentine's Day!

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    santeewelding

    You share the guilt.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    that every time you start a conversation you're a guilty party?

    the guilty party always speaks first

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    yovev

    If i've been too harsh to you excuse me. it was not in my intentions.
    And by the way, I speak first because of the time zone if you haven't noticed.
    I am not so sure should i bother trying to help you again.
    All the best to you!

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    lol

    LiLac22281

    Thanks everyone for your help--smart aleck comments and all. I found an IT "boyfriend," so he's going to finish with the upgrades for me. Lucky me, huh? Have a blessed day!

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    shasca

    I just came back to this thread from a couple of days ago.
    I hope I wasn't one of those that insulted you. We TR Nerds are always wanting new folks to come and join the ranks.
    Experience has nothing to do with it. Just come on in ask questions, give answers, tell us aholes to &^ off. All are welcome, and almost always well received.


    Don't go away mad. but most of all.... don't go away.

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    LiLac22281

    I was just about to storm off back to yahoo! answers! Somewhere that I could also share my vast knowledge of the world! lol
    I am a nerdy, do-it-yourself, single mother. I hooked up my 32in LCD tv with a home theater last night AND I put together a toy shelf for my kids. So I have to do all the things that a woman does and things that typically men do around the house--but I am still a chick! You guys may be able to have *-i-s-s-i-n-g contests with each other, but don't do it to the chicks. I can't aim--I have to sit down! So, thanks shasca for repairing my girly emotions. But after reading all the comments, I'm still going back to yahoo answers.

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    shasca

    In what capacity did you purchase the Windows 7 install? If it's an upgrade you should be prompted for the XP disc during a fresh install. You can bypass the upgrade option, and say do a fresh install under advanced options during the install also.

    These are general answers so a bit more insight will help folks help you.

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    yovev

    Unfortunately, Microsoft do not offer direct upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7. The only way to upgrade is to install Vista over the XP and then do the upgrade to 7.
    However, it would take much shorter time if you make clean install of Windows 7 on the new hard drive.
    As for the licensing and activation of Windows 7, I am sure that you can not use your XP product key to activate Windows 7!

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    OnTheRopes

    If you upgrade XP to Vista to Windows 7 the XP key can't be used to activate XP again. Microsoft invalidates XP when upgrading to Vista. It may also invalidate Vista's activation when upgrading to 7. I'd have to read 7's Upgrade EULA to find out.<br>

    From Vista's EULA:
    <i>"13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from."</i><br>
    From: http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/01/29/vista-upgrade-invalidates-your-xp-key/ <br>
    There are several articles referring to this issue. It doesn't seem to be well known.

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    LiLac22281

    When I say "upgrade" I mean that I pay the same as a Vista user would. MS website says that anyone running XP or Vista can "upgrade." What I'm trying to ask is will MS be able to verify that I have an XP license without me having to install XP on the new hard drive first. Or will I have to install XP on the new hard drive, put in the XP key, then install W7?

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    LiLac22281

    Since you suggested it, I looked at it again. Thanks to you suggesting it, I found the Windows Easy Transfer download. I had already used the Files and Settings Transfer Wizard, which I just found out is not compatible with W7. So, thanks. I'm still looking for the answer to my original question though!

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    OH Smeg

    Is that plain enough for you?

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    OH Smeg

    But you can not use your KP Product Key you need to use the Windows 7 Product that came with the Install Disc.

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    yovev

    I will try to give you an example of why you can not use your XP product key with Windows 7.
    Imagine you buy a car. In 5 years the manufacturer makes a new model. Can you just replase you old car with the new model for free? I think not :)

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    we're being probed.

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    LiLac22281

    I may not be an IT guru, but I do have a brain, and I'm not stupid. Some of you are professionals and can't comprehend a simple question. And instead of just leaving it alone, you use some kind of sordid sense of humor to make yourself look good because you think you know more than me. Hasn't your mother ever told you "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all?" Well, mine hasn't either, but I have sense enough to know not to antagonize people.
    Simply put: 1.) I have XP and I'm getting Windows 7 and a new hard drive. 2.)Surely I can't purchase W7 and the upgrade price and put it in a new hard drive and MS will just take my word for it. 3.) So do I have to install XP in the new hard drive before W7?
    I have searched the net and MS website, and can't find the answer to my question. That's why I'm here. I like computers just like the rest of you, but I don't know everything. I just put in a new cpu yesterday. I have also put in an ethernet card, video card, maxed out my ram, got a new dvd player--and I did all this myself. I found out how to do the stuff, and I did it. So please, stop treating me like I'm some bimbo, twirling my hair and popping gum saying "I don't get it!" looking for a man to do everything for me. Some of you need to read the terms of use...stop spamming people and stop making smart aleck remarks to people.

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    OH Smeg

    No you do not have to install XP. The Upgrade Disc may look for some XP Files when they are used on a Blank Drive so you'll be prompted to insert the XP Disc. But as the Recommended Upgrade Method from M$ is a Clean install to a Blank Drive you will be doing exactly what M$ Recommend to do to install the 7 OS.

    You will receive a new product key with the Upgrade version of 7 and you will have to use that Key to finish the 7 installation. You Can Not use a XP Product Key successfully with the 7 OS.

    Col

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    LiLac22281

    dell didn't provide a disk way back when. luckily my dad asked them for an xp disk cuz he likes to see if he can crash the computers and fix them (don't ask). conclusion--1. install w7 on new hard drive 2. w7 will ask for xp disk if upgrade 3. problem solved. thanks again

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    OH Smeg

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    yovev

    Why so harsh? I really like to see non pros handling and understanding tech. After all our job is to answer such questions from people like you every single day. Do you think we would have our jobs if we, like you say, be that arrogant? Maybe you should call Microsoft next time having question about licensing.

    Best of wishes and take it easy

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    LiLac22281

    Just because I'm a "non-pro" as you call it (novice, I think is the word), doesn't mean that I'm not capable of doing anything on my own. I am studying just like you had to study in order to learn what you know. I'm sure you didn't come out going "Goo-goo, ga-ga, I like IT!" IT may be your job, but answering questions on TechRepublic is not. So either you like antagonizing people when they don't know what you know, or you like helping them--you can't do both. Happy Valentine's Day!

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    santeewelding

    You share the guilt.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    that every time you start a conversation you're a guilty party?

    the guilty party always speaks first

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    yovev

    If i've been too harsh to you excuse me. it was not in my intentions.
    And by the way, I speak first because of the time zone if you haven't noticed.
    I am not so sure should i bother trying to help you again.
    All the best to you!

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    lol

    LiLac22281

    Thanks everyone for your help--smart aleck comments and all. I found an IT "boyfriend," so he's going to finish with the upgrades for me. Lucky me, huh? Have a blessed day!

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    shasca

    I just came back to this thread from a couple of days ago.
    I hope I wasn't one of those that insulted you. We TR Nerds are always wanting new folks to come and join the ranks.
    Experience has nothing to do with it. Just come on in ask questions, give answers, tell us aholes to &^ off. All are welcome, and almost always well received.


    Don't go away mad. but most of all.... don't go away.

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    LiLac22281

    I was just about to storm off back to yahoo! answers! Somewhere that I could also share my vast knowledge of the world! lol
    I am a nerdy, do-it-yourself, single mother. I hooked up my 32in LCD tv with a home theater last night AND I put together a toy shelf for my kids. So I have to do all the things that a woman does and things that typically men do around the house--but I am still a chick! You guys may be able to have *-i-s-s-i-n-g contests with each other, but don't do it to the chicks. I can't aim--I have to sit down! So, thanks shasca for repairing my girly emotions. But after reading all the comments, I'm still going back to yahoo answers.