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Netware Client for Windows - where does it come from?

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Netware Client for Windows - where does it come from?

davidjbell
I support many Win XP PCs for a charity and have now come across two PCs on different sites on separate occasions that have had Netware Client installed 'somehow'. This blocks the friendly Welcome screen. Googling the web provides many pointers for it's removal but I can't find anything that says how it got there in the first place. Is it a sort of downloaded trojan that allows entry via a Client software vulnerability? Does anyone know likely sites that may have downloaded it. I'd like to avoid it happening again but cerainly AVG Internet Security doesn't spot it being installed.
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    robo_dev

    The Novell Netware Client is not a virus.

    Someone, at some point, downloaded and installed the software to allow the PCs to connect to a Novell Netware server. It may be possible to uninstall the client, but re-imaging the PC would probably be a better solution.

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    A. Silva Ledesma

    as a user might install something without control?

    +1 "...re-imaging the PC would probably be a better solution."

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    OH Smeg

    http://www.novell.com/documentation/vista_client/readme/ncwv_readme.html

    This question kind of reminds me of a comment I heard ages ago when some young kid asked me

    Did I know that Paul McCarthy was in a Band before Wings? Makes me feel really old.

    Col

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    seanferd

    I overheard that same conversation, in a <i>record store</i>, between two young women. I was surprised they knew of Wings!

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    Jaqui

    lol, or the one I heard a while back:
    have you heard of this fantastic new band? their album is CCR's Greatest Hits.

    ~ROTFLMAO~
    I had to ask them how it could be their "Greatest Hits" if it's a new band? You ran across a compilation disc of their best songs, but they been around a long time.

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    OH Smeg

    Jaqui How about

    One night on a Music Show being hosted by some young make believe singer coming out with a New Band he had just Discovered. It was Slade and then the newest album so at least it wasn't a Complation Album.

    When I first heard the comments I thought a new band calling itself Slade but no it was the same old guys doing the same old thing. Just proves if you hang around long enough youngsters will find you and think you are new.

    Col

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    seanferd

    Good gravy, what a hoot!

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    seanferd

    Google harder. You can't have missed Netware if you tried. It's from Novell, which was mostly bought by Attachmate recently, but their site still exists, with support and everything.

    Your computers very likely came from a corporate environment. (Heck, the one I'm using right now came with a Netware client installed.)

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    tintoman

    Is used to enable the connection of a Windows PC to a Novell network, in other words a network which is controlled by a Netware server.
    The Netware Clent was included as part of Windows XP and could be added as a service in the network adapter settings, this was necessary because Novell does not support TCP/IP protocol it uses IPX/SPX instead.
    Novell is still used to some extent in schools and colleges, certainly in the area I live in anyway.

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    jimmie.bowen

    Need to check again. I believe the Novell Client was used to connent Windows 95 through Windows 7 to Novell servers. It was not part of Win XP-rather a separate module you obtained from Novell. Netware supported TCP/IP from version 5.0 of the NOS and IPX/SPX, depending on what your choice was. Curent Version is 6.6 SP8 on last check. And yes it is used in schools and colleges, and businesses wordwide. In quite a few cases it has been upgraded to OES or Novells Linux product SUSE.

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    cmiller5400

    this was necessary because Novell does not support TCP/IP protocol it uses IPX/SPX instead.

    That statement is Incorrect; current versions of Novell Netware support TCP/IP. Back in the Netware 3 and 4 days that was the protocol to use. If I am remembering correctly, Netware 3.x and 4 did have an add-on for the TCP/IP protocol, just very limited. Starting with Netware 5 TCP/IP was native.

    And Win XP does include GSNW (Gateway Service for Netware) a way to connect to Netware servers but it is not as rich as the Netware Client.

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    davidjbell

    Many thanks for the various replies. I should point out that the latest problem XP PC was one of four identical Dell Vostro PCs bought new by myself used on a site that doesn't even have a server let alone a Novell Netware one. So the question remains 'how did the software stack get installed?' or if pre-installed by Dell but left unticked 'how did it become ticked?' and why on only one of the four identical PCs sitting on the same peer-to-peer LAN? I'm still suspicious of some malware triggering this problem unless anyone knows otherwise. I'm well aware of what Novell and Netware is not how it appears where it shouldn't! BTW I got rid of it by uninstalling the stack in the LAN properties stack listing

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    OH Smeg

    I'm not sure how Netware got installed but you would have to look at the Software Load here.

    I've seen some On Line Games Install Netware to allow them to work and I suppose it's possible that other software that Shares things could do the same thing.

    Col

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    seanferd

    Maybe someone with an imagination installed this, thinking they could get something out of it. Perhaps the machines were originally in a different network than the one you received them from?

    I seriously doubt that malware would ever install a Netware client - there would be little point.

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    robo_dev

    I would suppose that somehow some user application installed it, but that's only a guess.

    I would tend to doubt that Dell would pre-install the netware client or even include it with their driver CD.

    Maybe years ago the user of the PC asked for advice on TR and somebody gave him or her some really wrong answer involving downloading and installing the Netware client????

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    OH Smeg

    A while ago so I would say that you have to look at the Installed Software even some that may have been removed previously because it was no longer useful or had been upgraded.

    Some of the Specialized Software used by Business used the Netware Client as well as some games so that is where I would expect this to have come from.

    But none the less when whatever it was, was installed the User would have been prompted to install the Netware Client and probably did weather it was needed or not.

    Col

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    robo_dev

    Ergo: the classic

    - 'short between the headphones' fault
    - 'loose nut behind the wheel' problem.
    - PICNIK ("Problem In Chair, Not In Computer") error
    - ID-10T error

    Like when years ago a user was reporting a completely dead mainframe terminal.

    Yup. dead as a doornail.

    So there are no lights at all?

    None. Except for the green light on the edge and the flashing square on the screen.

    Flashing square?

    Yes.

    After giving up on the phone and dispatching a tech, somehow the user had adjusted the terminal so the color of the font was the same as the background color, and the square was the cursor.

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    davidjbell

    Thanks again for the replies. It looks like someone may have tried to install a game or whatever and this was the result; the PCs have fairly open usage but not with Admin permissions. Interesting that at least some games might install the Client.

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    JHarrsch

    Netware Client for Windows sounds like Microsofts's support for Netware. You will find Client for Netware listed under the adapters properties in control panel | Network Adapters.
    Novell's Client is best in a Netware environment.

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    seanferd

    Nope. It's Netware's client for Netware servers.

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    robo_dev

    The Novell Netware Client is not a virus.

    Someone, at some point, downloaded and installed the software to allow the PCs to connect to a Novell Netware server. It may be possible to uninstall the client, but re-imaging the PC would probably be a better solution.

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    A. Silva Ledesma

    as a user might install something without control?

    +1 "...re-imaging the PC would probably be a better solution."

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    OH Smeg

    http://www.novell.com/documentation/vista_client/readme/ncwv_readme.html

    This question kind of reminds me of a comment I heard ages ago when some young kid asked me

    Did I know that Paul McCarthy was in a Band before Wings? Makes me feel really old.

    Col

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    seanferd

    I overheard that same conversation, in a <i>record store</i>, between two young women. I was surprised they knew of Wings!

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    Jaqui

    lol, or the one I heard a while back:
    have you heard of this fantastic new band? their album is CCR's Greatest Hits.

    ~ROTFLMAO~
    I had to ask them how it could be their "Greatest Hits" if it's a new band? You ran across a compilation disc of their best songs, but they been around a long time.

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    OH Smeg

    Jaqui How about

    One night on a Music Show being hosted by some young make believe singer coming out with a New Band he had just Discovered. It was Slade and then the newest album so at least it wasn't a Complation Album.

    When I first heard the comments I thought a new band calling itself Slade but no it was the same old guys doing the same old thing. Just proves if you hang around long enough youngsters will find you and think you are new.

    Col

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    seanferd

    Good gravy, what a hoot!

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    seanferd

    Google harder. You can't have missed Netware if you tried. It's from Novell, which was mostly bought by Attachmate recently, but their site still exists, with support and everything.

    Your computers very likely came from a corporate environment. (Heck, the one I'm using right now came with a Netware client installed.)

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    tintoman

    Is used to enable the connection of a Windows PC to a Novell network, in other words a network which is controlled by a Netware server.
    The Netware Clent was included as part of Windows XP and could be added as a service in the network adapter settings, this was necessary because Novell does not support TCP/IP protocol it uses IPX/SPX instead.
    Novell is still used to some extent in schools and colleges, certainly in the area I live in anyway.

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    jimmie.bowen

    Need to check again. I believe the Novell Client was used to connent Windows 95 through Windows 7 to Novell servers. It was not part of Win XP-rather a separate module you obtained from Novell. Netware supported TCP/IP from version 5.0 of the NOS and IPX/SPX, depending on what your choice was. Curent Version is 6.6 SP8 on last check. And yes it is used in schools and colleges, and businesses wordwide. In quite a few cases it has been upgraded to OES or Novells Linux product SUSE.

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    cmiller5400

    this was necessary because Novell does not support TCP/IP protocol it uses IPX/SPX instead.

    That statement is Incorrect; current versions of Novell Netware support TCP/IP. Back in the Netware 3 and 4 days that was the protocol to use. If I am remembering correctly, Netware 3.x and 4 did have an add-on for the TCP/IP protocol, just very limited. Starting with Netware 5 TCP/IP was native.

    And Win XP does include GSNW (Gateway Service for Netware) a way to connect to Netware servers but it is not as rich as the Netware Client.

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    davidjbell

    Many thanks for the various replies. I should point out that the latest problem XP PC was one of four identical Dell Vostro PCs bought new by myself used on a site that doesn't even have a server let alone a Novell Netware one. So the question remains 'how did the software stack get installed?' or if pre-installed by Dell but left unticked 'how did it become ticked?' and why on only one of the four identical PCs sitting on the same peer-to-peer LAN? I'm still suspicious of some malware triggering this problem unless anyone knows otherwise. I'm well aware of what Novell and Netware is not how it appears where it shouldn't! BTW I got rid of it by uninstalling the stack in the LAN properties stack listing

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    OH Smeg

    I'm not sure how Netware got installed but you would have to look at the Software Load here.

    I've seen some On Line Games Install Netware to allow them to work and I suppose it's possible that other software that Shares things could do the same thing.

    Col

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    seanferd

    Maybe someone with an imagination installed this, thinking they could get something out of it. Perhaps the machines were originally in a different network than the one you received them from?

    I seriously doubt that malware would ever install a Netware client - there would be little point.

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    robo_dev

    I would suppose that somehow some user application installed it, but that's only a guess.

    I would tend to doubt that Dell would pre-install the netware client or even include it with their driver CD.

    Maybe years ago the user of the PC asked for advice on TR and somebody gave him or her some really wrong answer involving downloading and installing the Netware client????

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    OH Smeg

    A while ago so I would say that you have to look at the Installed Software even some that may have been removed previously because it was no longer useful or had been upgraded.

    Some of the Specialized Software used by Business used the Netware Client as well as some games so that is where I would expect this to have come from.

    But none the less when whatever it was, was installed the User would have been prompted to install the Netware Client and probably did weather it was needed or not.

    Col

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    robo_dev

    Ergo: the classic

    - 'short between the headphones' fault
    - 'loose nut behind the wheel' problem.
    - PICNIK ("Problem In Chair, Not In Computer") error
    - ID-10T error

    Like when years ago a user was reporting a completely dead mainframe terminal.

    Yup. dead as a doornail.

    So there are no lights at all?

    None. Except for the green light on the edge and the flashing square on the screen.

    Flashing square?

    Yes.

    After giving up on the phone and dispatching a tech, somehow the user had adjusted the terminal so the color of the font was the same as the background color, and the square was the cursor.

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    davidjbell

    Thanks again for the replies. It looks like someone may have tried to install a game or whatever and this was the result; the PCs have fairly open usage but not with Admin permissions. Interesting that at least some games might install the Client.

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    JHarrsch

    Netware Client for Windows sounds like Microsofts's support for Netware. You will find Client for Netware listed under the adapters properties in control panel | Network Adapters.
    Novell's Client is best in a Netware environment.

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    seanferd

    Nope. It's Netware's client for Netware servers.