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SATA to eSATA?

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SATA to eSATA?

Tink!
Since I don't want to go the whole weekend without my computer at home, I found a local store that says he's got a PCI card with a SATA and IDE port.

I have not seen this yet, but I'm assuming he means it has eSata ports. (as for the IDE - not so sure)

But, if it IS an eSata port, can I :

Connect an internal Sata drive to the eSata port (using a Sata to eSata cable)?

and would it be bootable? (remember the machine this PCI card is going into is dead without a hard drive. I'm trying to connect a SATA internal drive to it to boot from)

Thanks! Tink
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    dawgit

    the 'e' in the eSATA means that it's got an external port (plug) external SATA cables are different than the internal ones. (The external ones are shielded, the internal aren't, but had an 'L' on one end)
    Question is then does this card also have an internal SATA connection? (that's what you really want) Most do, but it makes sense to ask, just to be sure. Also Ask if the card will be able to boot the computer. (Must have a BIOS) All that should be on the box. If the card is not in a box (bulk issue, sale) then ask to take a look at it.
    What you want to see of course is a SATA connection that will be on the inside of your computer. and maybe if a BIOS chip might be visible too. (Should be but one never knows) if you have the Manufacture and part or model # you can check the specs on line.

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    dawgit

    Just checking, I have to ask...
    Does the Power Supply in that computer have a power plug for an SATA drive? You'll need at least one of them.

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    Tink!

    I have the internal cables necessary to connect to the extra power ends in the old computer.

    I'm just really disappointed that none of the local stores (that I can shop online) carry any SATA to IDE internal adapters. I found good matches on Newegg and Amazon, but I don't want to have to wait to receive it (and I can't afford overnight shipping)

    I'm afraid this adapter that the guy says he has probably won't boot since it is a PCI card. But I still plan on checking it out to be sure.

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    dawgit

    A computer sure can be booted from a PCI Card.
    (Like I said a PCI LAN card can do it - Wake on LAN.)
    I have a computer that boots from a PCI SCCI card, another from a LAN card like I said, and even one that boots from a VGA (monitor/video) PCI card. So all things are possible, with the right parts. (but check the power to be sure, there's nothing worse than to think you finally have it ready to put together, and find something silly just won't play right)

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    Tink!

    If the PCI card has its own BIOS it should be able to boot by itself without having to boot and install it first? (I mean can I just plug it in, connect the SATA drive and then boot?)

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    dawgit

    Should.
    The ones that I've had experience with (with the exception of LAN cards) do just that. If there are installed in the computer, the computer will only boot from them. To get the computer to boot from the mainboard again you have to remove the card. At least that's how they work for me. When I start or boot a computer that has a PCI card that boots it, I don't even see the mainboard BOIS screen at boot, only the one that's on the card. There is one thing though, that PCI card should be placed in the PCI slot #1. That is usually an important requirement.
    (LAN card are different in that they only boot the computer when a signal through the LAN tells them too, other wise the computer boots 'normally'. That's how their BIOS is written)
    PCI booted computers are quite often used in industrial or embedded (the larger ones) situations where the computer will be turned on when an outside event or signal will need it to.
    Yours will be like mine (the one with the SCCI PCI card) which was originally set up to be a server (now semi-retired, like me) and since only SCCI Drives are used the mainboard BIOS is useless. (no need to look for, to boot from, an IDE Hard Drive if there's none there.)
    Sounds like that's what you're wanting, No?

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    Tink!

    I looked at the card and surprisingly it was internal SATA and IDE ports. It did, however, come with an install CD which was a red flag that it probably wouldn't boot.

    The guy was also telling me that I can't take a boot drive from one PC and boot it on another machine because it wouldn't work. (he had a heavy accent and was a little hard to understand)

    I'm still considering buying this from newegg:
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/2e79ax8

    If I get that I'd plug it into the main IDE port of the old machine's motherboard. Then I'd hook up the SATA drive from the newer machine.

    Do you think that would work?

    The only issue I could see with the older machine not recognizing the newer SATA drive, is because the older machine had XP and the newer drive has Vista. Both machines are HP Pavilions, but different models.

    I did try to hook up the old IDE drive but it's completely gone and not bootable.

    Thanks for all your help dawgit!

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    dawgit

    It seems that you'll need that CD to instruct the PC to boot from that card. (at least that's what I've been reading)
    I'm not sure that you'd want to connect the IDE of the maindoard to the IDE of the card. I believe that might/would mess-up the controllers of either one or both of them.
    BUT~ That particular device does look promising. It appears to me it is just what you want. It looks to me not as a separate SATA PCI card but an actual converter from one to the other. If that is the case then your mainboard will remain the same, just the on board IDE will now be converted to an SATA. (in that case then connecting would be necessary) It looks like the simplest way to get to where you really want to have. (much easier than what we have discussed) The CD then will/should load the drivers necessary to complete the functioning of that device. And the price looks good too.

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    Tink!

    I peer mailed you. did you get it?

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    dawgit

    the 'e' in the eSATA means that it's got an external port (plug) external SATA cables are different than the internal ones. (The external ones are shielded, the internal aren't, but had an 'L' on one end)
    Question is then does this card also have an internal SATA connection? (that's what you really want) Most do, but it makes sense to ask, just to be sure. Also Ask if the card will be able to boot the computer. (Must have a BIOS) All that should be on the box. If the card is not in a box (bulk issue, sale) then ask to take a look at it.
    What you want to see of course is a SATA connection that will be on the inside of your computer. and maybe if a BIOS chip might be visible too. (Should be but one never knows) if you have the Manufacture and part or model # you can check the specs on line.

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    dawgit

    Just checking, I have to ask...
    Does the Power Supply in that computer have a power plug for an SATA drive? You'll need at least one of them.

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    Tink!

    I have the internal cables necessary to connect to the extra power ends in the old computer.

    I'm just really disappointed that none of the local stores (that I can shop online) carry any SATA to IDE internal adapters. I found good matches on Newegg and Amazon, but I don't want to have to wait to receive it (and I can't afford overnight shipping)

    I'm afraid this adapter that the guy says he has probably won't boot since it is a PCI card. But I still plan on checking it out to be sure.

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    dawgit

    A computer sure can be booted from a PCI Card.
    (Like I said a PCI LAN card can do it - Wake on LAN.)
    I have a computer that boots from a PCI SCCI card, another from a LAN card like I said, and even one that boots from a VGA (monitor/video) PCI card. So all things are possible, with the right parts. (but check the power to be sure, there's nothing worse than to think you finally have it ready to put together, and find something silly just won't play right)

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    Tink!

    If the PCI card has its own BIOS it should be able to boot by itself without having to boot and install it first? (I mean can I just plug it in, connect the SATA drive and then boot?)

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    dawgit

    Should.
    The ones that I've had experience with (with the exception of LAN cards) do just that. If there are installed in the computer, the computer will only boot from them. To get the computer to boot from the mainboard again you have to remove the card. At least that's how they work for me. When I start or boot a computer that has a PCI card that boots it, I don't even see the mainboard BOIS screen at boot, only the one that's on the card. There is one thing though, that PCI card should be placed in the PCI slot #1. That is usually an important requirement.
    (LAN card are different in that they only boot the computer when a signal through the LAN tells them too, other wise the computer boots 'normally'. That's how their BIOS is written)
    PCI booted computers are quite often used in industrial or embedded (the larger ones) situations where the computer will be turned on when an outside event or signal will need it to.
    Yours will be like mine (the one with the SCCI PCI card) which was originally set up to be a server (now semi-retired, like me) and since only SCCI Drives are used the mainboard BIOS is useless. (no need to look for, to boot from, an IDE Hard Drive if there's none there.)
    Sounds like that's what you're wanting, No?

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    Tink!

    I looked at the card and surprisingly it was internal SATA and IDE ports. It did, however, come with an install CD which was a red flag that it probably wouldn't boot.

    The guy was also telling me that I can't take a boot drive from one PC and boot it on another machine because it wouldn't work. (he had a heavy accent and was a little hard to understand)

    I'm still considering buying this from newegg:
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/2e79ax8

    If I get that I'd plug it into the main IDE port of the old machine's motherboard. Then I'd hook up the SATA drive from the newer machine.

    Do you think that would work?

    The only issue I could see with the older machine not recognizing the newer SATA drive, is because the older machine had XP and the newer drive has Vista. Both machines are HP Pavilions, but different models.

    I did try to hook up the old IDE drive but it's completely gone and not bootable.

    Thanks for all your help dawgit!

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    dawgit

    It seems that you'll need that CD to instruct the PC to boot from that card. (at least that's what I've been reading)
    I'm not sure that you'd want to connect the IDE of the maindoard to the IDE of the card. I believe that might/would mess-up the controllers of either one or both of them.
    BUT~ That particular device does look promising. It appears to me it is just what you want. It looks to me not as a separate SATA PCI card but an actual converter from one to the other. If that is the case then your mainboard will remain the same, just the on board IDE will now be converted to an SATA. (in that case then connecting would be necessary) It looks like the simplest way to get to where you really want to have. (much easier than what we have discussed) The CD then will/should load the drivers necessary to complete the functioning of that device. And the price looks good too.

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    Tink!

    I peer mailed you. did you get it?