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Sleep Mode doesn't "Safely Remove Hardware" (VISTA)?

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Sleep Mode doesn't "Safely Remove Hardware" (VISTA)?

I use Windows Vista, and have a Dell XPS M1330

I recently converted my 1TB External Hard Drive from FAT32 to NTFS, and had problems with My Computer not being able to see it, but the device was recognisable in the Device Manager.

I found a post on here about how to fix this (http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/questions/101-232154), but after doing what it said it still wouldn't work. I found that My Computer could find it after I did a restart. I trialed different ways, and found that it would only not recognise it if I didn't eject the drive using "Safely Remove Hardware". I have always just pulled the HD out after use (waiting for the lights to stop on the HD), and it seems that it doesn't affect much on FAT32 (though now I would always recommend doing this). It appears that this is a bigger problem for NTFS, and so after I performed a "Safely Removed Hardware" on it, My Computer can see it now fine.

The only problem, and this is the question is that when I close the lip of my laptop (Dell XPS M1330), it doesn't seem to "Safely Remove Hardware", but simulates just pulling the HD out. So when I wake it up, My Computer can't see it.

Anyone know how to make sure that when sleep mode is activated the "Safely Remove Hardware" is also activated?

Cheers...
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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    Firstly you should ALWAYS use the safely remove option as if you don't sooner or latter the partition tables on the HDD are going to get corrupted and your data will be by by.

    Secondly no external drive is meant to be used for long periods of time. They get very hot and suffer an Overheat Event which drastically shortens the life of the drive. To check this out you should test the drive with it's makers HDD Testing Utility to see what if any damage the drive has suffered.

    If you need to use a external drive for long periods of time you should use an Actively Cooled Case like the one shown here the MX1 from Antec

    http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NDc=

    Also when you use any External USB/Firewire/ESATA Device you should prevent the computer from entering Power Saving/Hibernation Modes as this just dumps the External Device by removing the power and doesn't first park the Heads and power down the drive correctly.

    Exactly the same way that you first need to Dismount the Drive use the Safely Remove on the Task Bar before turning the computer off.

    Doesn't matter what OS you use by allowing the system to power the drive down without first parking the heads is a way to shorten the life of the drive dramatically and in severe cases drag the Read/Write heads on the Platters of the HDD destroying the Magnetic Covering on the Platters where the Heads make contact and the heads themselves making it very expensive when you have to recover any DATA on the Drive. Naturally when the Magnetic Covering on the Platters is gone there is No Hope of recovering any data where the physical Damage has occurred and unfortunately with mashed up read write heads this damage tends to get spread over the entire surface of the platters.

    But if this in any way encourages you to Safely Remove All External Drives no matter what type you should understand that the last drive that I had to have recovered that was dead cost $56,000.00 AU which is a bit less than US $ Currently so I wouldn't expect any change out of 60K US at the moment. A dead Drive and a drive with mashed up Read/Write Heads has to be recovered the same way. It involves the complete dismantling of the drive the removal of the platters and these get inserted into a special machine and are read from there.

    Of course if you where to fit a SSD type drive you can mistreat it as you please as there are no moving parts in it but even them I would urge extreme caution.

    Col

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    jhouse

    Thank You!!!! I have 2 external drrives that have given up the ghost, When removing them, I do use the safely remove optiion, but Usually have left them connected to computer; for shutdown, restart and yes, to sleep or hibernate when lid is closed on laptop, or sleep on PC. Hopefully with what you have just shared, my other drives will last much longer.

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    seanferd

    Note: <i>If</i> you want to trust it. I've never done this with mechanical drives, and if the drive does not shut down properly (head parking, etc.), this may not be a good solution. But you can eliminate lazy writing so that you don't need to worry about data being written back before powering off/removing. Works fine for flash drives.

    With the drive connected, right click it in Explorer and select Properties → Hardware tab → select the drive → Properties → Policies tab → Optimize for quick removal. Click OK or whatever is offered all the way back out.

    This may be a bit different in Vista, I'm not sure.

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    Firstly you should ALWAYS use the safely remove option as if you don't sooner or latter the partition tables on the HDD are going to get corrupted and your data will be by by.

    Secondly no external drive is meant to be used for long periods of time. They get very hot and suffer an Overheat Event which drastically shortens the life of the drive. To check this out you should test the drive with it's makers HDD Testing Utility to see what if any damage the drive has suffered.

    If you need to use a external drive for long periods of time you should use an Actively Cooled Case like the one shown here the MX1 from Antec

    http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NDc=

    Also when you use any External USB/Firewire/ESATA Device you should prevent the computer from entering Power Saving/Hibernation Modes as this just dumps the External Device by removing the power and doesn't first park the Heads and power down the drive correctly.

    Exactly the same way that you first need to Dismount the Drive use the Safely Remove on the Task Bar before turning the computer off.

    Doesn't matter what OS you use by allowing the system to power the drive down without first parking the heads is a way to shorten the life of the drive dramatically and in severe cases drag the Read/Write heads on the Platters of the HDD destroying the Magnetic Covering on the Platters where the Heads make contact and the heads themselves making it very expensive when you have to recover any DATA on the Drive. Naturally when the Magnetic Covering on the Platters is gone there is No Hope of recovering any data where the physical Damage has occurred and unfortunately with mashed up read write heads this damage tends to get spread over the entire surface of the platters.

    But if this in any way encourages you to Safely Remove All External Drives no matter what type you should understand that the last drive that I had to have recovered that was dead cost $56,000.00 AU which is a bit less than US $ Currently so I wouldn't expect any change out of 60K US at the moment. A dead Drive and a drive with mashed up Read/Write Heads has to be recovered the same way. It involves the complete dismantling of the drive the removal of the platters and these get inserted into a special machine and are read from there.

    Of course if you where to fit a SSD type drive you can mistreat it as you please as there are no moving parts in it but even them I would urge extreme caution.

    Col

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    jhouse

    Thank You!!!! I have 2 external drrives that have given up the ghost, When removing them, I do use the safely remove optiion, but Usually have left them connected to computer; for shutdown, restart and yes, to sleep or hibernate when lid is closed on laptop, or sleep on PC. Hopefully with what you have just shared, my other drives will last much longer.

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    seanferd

    Note: <i>If</i> you want to trust it. I've never done this with mechanical drives, and if the drive does not shut down properly (head parking, etc.), this may not be a good solution. But you can eliminate lazy writing so that you don't need to worry about data being written back before powering off/removing. Works fine for flash drives.

    With the drive connected, right click it in Explorer and select Properties → Hardware tab → select the drive → Properties → Policies tab → Optimize for quick removal. Click OK or whatever is offered all the way back out.

    This may be a bit different in Vista, I'm not sure.