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santeewelding
Two cockroaches have taken up residence inside my microwave. They bask all day in the light of the digital display, blocking my view of the numbers. They give me the finger when I tap on the glass for them to move over. It's, like, they're watching a movie, and I can't see past them.

I would fumigate, but that's where I cook my food.

None of the websites ( ! ) for this General Electric JES738WJ02 address the problem.

What's a guy to do?
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    oldbaritone

    They won't eat much.

    ;-)

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    TheChas

    You need to dis-assemble the microwave and clean the insides thoroughly.

    Set plastic sheeting or a thick layer of newsprint on a table or work surface.

    Unplug the microwave.

    Take the cover off. Pay close attention to any gaskets and foam seals that are in place.

    Vacuum the inside of the oven to remove all of the built up debris, and perhaps the nest.

    Treat the electronics just as you would a computer motherboard.

    Treat the magnetron with more respect than you reserve for an open computer power supply. Similar respect as you would the open back of a CRT monitor.

    Remove the screws or release the tabs that hold the control board in place.

    Bid your guests a proper goodbye.

    Clean, clean and clean some more any surface that has grease or food residue on it.

    While you have the oven apart, make sure to clean the cooking cavity and fan cover.

    Verify that the fan and stirrer are in good mechanical shape. Repair as needed.

    Put it all back together.

    Perform the dollar bill test on the door seal. If you place a dollar bill so that it is trapped by the seal, when you close the door, you should not be able to easily pull the dollar bill out. Check at least 3 places to verify the seal.

    If you did a good job of cleaning, and you were careful in putting the oven back together, it should work fine, and your friends will find a new home.

    Chas

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    cmiller5400

    Especially don't turn on the magnetron without the microwave being put back together verified. We don't want a cooked santee ]:)

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    santeewelding

    Not just me crowding around the monitor here taking notes!

    Most complicated thing I've done in this respect is a toaster oven where I went in to TIG-braze a major connector with silicon bronze (worked).

    While looking for the GE model number I took note of how to get into it (bottom cover, four screws). Thanks, also, for reminding me about the magnetron, and the dollar-bill trick.

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    oldbaritone

    take it to a repair shop and have them put it together for you.

    Or skip the above steps, and take it to the repair shop to begin with, and let them deal with the disease-ridden little buggers...

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    santeewelding

    I AM the repair shop. Besides, I want to get inside the thing and look those two little MFs in the eye to say, "Your time has come!"

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    PVBenn

    Like all Insects they can't tollerate cold, if you have space, bag it and then put it in a freezer for a day or so. Little SOB's might not die in there but they will harden up nicely and you might be able to shake them loose. If your lucky they might even crawl out trying to make to a warmer space.

    Be careful not to let the unit get below the MFG.s recomended minimum temp. something might not like the shrinkage other than the roachs.

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    santeewelding

    Has merit.

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    jfuller05

    They are probably in your microwave because of left over food particles or just oil. You know they can live off the oil from your finger print for a whole week!
    http://www.bulwarkpestcontrol.com/roach-control-cockroaches.php

    Good news is that they are easy to get rid of with the right bait. Professional baits are highly effective because the residual products will kill off the other roaches that eat the dead cockroaches. Yes, cockroaches will eat other dead roaches. Yuk, I know.

    Honestly you don't even have to get rid of your microwave.

    The only problem you will have once they are gone is keeping new roaches from coming back in. If you live in an apartment then you are really going to have a hard time with keeping them out. Go with cy-kick to keep them from coming back.

    You can buy all this stuff on line.

    http://www.pestprojoe.com

    edit: additional link

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    cmiller5400

    Pyrethrin is pretty effective. (Billy the Exterminator A&E show about pests) Made from Chrysanthemum's

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrin

    Disclaimer: I am NOT a professional exterminator. Just a guy that absolutely HATES creepy crawly bugs (not that they freak me out or anything, they are just disgusting, dirty, filthy, disease ridden pests) ]:)

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    Ron K.

    Buy a new one. Call in the Orkin man.

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    JamesRL

    Way back twenty years ago, when Microwaves cost many hundreds of dollars (about $500), my dear MIL gave us a present of a microwave that had been in for repair. When the owner got the bill, he decided to walk away.

    It seemed to work for a few months, then the even happened. We saw the occasional arc. We should have tossed it. But we kept it and eventually it arc'd then caught fire. Molten plastic inside. Acrid smell in the apartment. Could have been a lot worse (had a fire extinuihser handy).

    You can buy a microwave for $50. If a microwave repaired by a trained technician can go, then why would you risk taking yours apart and having something happen.

    James

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    Ron

    santeewelding

    It's the principle of the thing.

    I want to kill them personally.

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    Ron K.

    I want to get it over with as quickly and painlessly as possible.<br>
    A snake came out of our barn today when I opened the side door. I bet it was relieved to be outside. I'm fairly certain that my wife wanted me to dispatch it right away but it was just sitting there, seemingly interested in what I was doing. After I finished, it wandered off, most importantly, away from my wife.

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    OH Smeg

    She would have scared the poor thing senseless and it would never have stood a chance. I can remember her driving into a Native Reserve getting out of the car and standing on a snake the poor thing never stood a chance I believe that she started off by running over the poor thing and while it was lying on the ground asking did anyone see the Jumbo that ran over it she stood on the poor thing.

    Her in the car screaming out to get it away was the last straw for the poor thing it promptly slithered away where it committed suicide to escape from here.

    Col

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    Ron K.

    It reminds me to never get her mad at me. <br>
    Either her or I will kill wasps and hornets that come in the house. I swell up bad for days whenever I'm stung and the pain lasts for days too. I've gotten stung just sitting here.<br>
    I do have dibs on taking care of all bumblebees though. I trap them with a clear glass, slide a paper plate underneath it and release the fuzzy butt outdoors where they go off to tell their friends about their day. <br>
    Bumblebees are becoming extinct and I don't contribute to that.

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    santeewelding

    With fuzzy bumblebee butts? What do you do with them that they would tell their friends about?

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    OH Smeg

    It's better to look a Fuzzy Bubble Bee Buts than Sheep I suppose.

    After all Ron wouldn't want to get known as a Kiwi would he? :^0

    Col

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    Ron K.

    I also told you that you'd forget to answer based upon that question's placement in the email. <br>
    It's not a public story, only for trusted friends via email. If you want to know, I'll tell you.

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    Ron K.

    I was assembling a new gas grill in the yard one day when I happened to look up and there, lined up on the road, were 5 sheep critiquing my progress. <br>
    I quit putting my grill together and herded them back home, out of the road. By herding I mean I got in front of them and they followed me into their barn while I was talking to them, explaining the virtues of gas over charcoal. <br>
    They looked unconvinced.<br>
    Liable to see anything around here if you look long and hard enough.

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    OH Smeg

    Where probably worried about ending up on the Grill and then they wouldn't care one little bit if it was Gas or Charcoal.

    Col

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    Ron K.

    If they knew what awaits them they'd be armed with AKM's, sticks and rocks, kicking-***. I also think that the government would quickly move to disarm them so that it could continue to have it's way with them.

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    NexS

    Never mind the Warranty(if it's still valid) and pull the Microwave apart.

    Or send them an eviction notice... But you may need a translator to speak cockroach... hmmm

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    OH Smeg

    Watch a movie called Joe's Apartment and learn to share with these critters.

    As in Joe's Apartment they can be useful when required. :^0

    edited to add http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116707/

    Friendly little critters when you look at things properly I'm sure that you'll agree.

    Though personally I would pull it apart and let them out as they are probably trapped in there and can not get out. Just be careful to make sure that you don't turn the thing on while it is apart it's incredibly dangerous around the Magraton but if you do not want to be super careful you'll get to see some lovely arc's that don't look like anything you'll ever see with any form of Electric Welding. :0

    Col

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    NexS

    I remember watching this movie when it first came out... Don't remember much about it though...

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    AV .

    Santee, you gotta get a new one. You don't know where else they've been. They got in there somehow to begin with. What if its where you place your food. Yuk!

    Dump it. If you want revenge, you can always break the LED display to get at 'em.

    AV

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    Ron K.

    ... annoying cockroaches behind his inexpensive to replace, microwave's, breakable glass. I wonder if he'll make the connection.

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    santeewelding

    I tell you -- with malice aforethought. I am consumed by it.

    Not the oven. The two cockroaches.

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    TheChas

    I am fully with Santee on this.

    Even without taking out aggression against bugs, this is a pretty simple repair. Not really any more complex than gutting a computer case to clean all the dust out and then putting it back together.

    Beyond the satisfaction of repairing an appliance, why add to the trash in our landfills and to our trade imbalance with China?

    Of course, I am considered to go to extremes to repair items and keep them going.

    My wife drives a 91 Fifth Avenue. I just replaced my 94 Taurus that had over 300,000 miles on it.

    I pretty much perform all vehicle maintenance including brakes, suspension and external engine work. I can change the starter in a car my daughter had in less than 30 minutes.

    I have repaired my 20+ year old microwave at least 3 times. (All minor repairs.)

    I service my furnace several times a winter rather than pay for a service call or buy a new one.

    Yes, there does come a point where it is not worth repairing things. I will toss a motherboard or power supply rather than perform component level repairs. Although, I have been known to open up and at least look at optical and floppy drives.

    For work systems, I do have access to the correct tools for most component level repairs on circuit boards. When we can diagnose a bad card, we do repair rather than replace them.

    Now, Santee does need to ask where the bugs came from in the first place. More than the microwave may need cleaning and a good debugging.

    Chas

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    santeewelding

    I know exactly where they came from, and that's why I know there are only two of them.

    The two seem to know their brethren met untimely ends.

    I served in old Navy warships where they were so bad they would drop from the overhead into your plate of food in the galley. Things are more shipshape here.

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    OH Smeg

    Or for that matter likely to allow the bugs into the Food preparation Area.

    But even if they could get in there it's probably a good thing that they could as it helps to improve Santee's Immunity.

    These days with people paranoid over clean food preparation places the wellness of the general population is dropping and the resistance that the bugs are gaining is all about hurting us far more in the times to come in the very short term. So everything that Santee can do here to help improve his resistance to disease the better off he'll be.

    Besides the LED Display is separate from the Food Preparation Area and this is really no different to finding something inside a computer case. Though if they where to short out the Magnatron I'm sure that it wouldn't be worth repairing. However where they are is a easy fix and saves you some money well the owner of this device at least.

    All too often we are looking to increase our pollution of the planet from our throwaways when it's not required. I had a mate in the Foreign Service a few years ago who insisted he could furnish his living place in Japan better by visiting the Tokyo Dump than what he could afford to buy in the shops. That is hardly good for the planet or the population but it does help the economy a lot by throwing everything out every 6 months and buying new stuff.

    While it may be fashionable it's hardly necessary and most times isn't required. besides a full A Bottle of MIG Shield Gas would manage to kill off the roaches if it was dropped on them quite effectively and I think that is the type of thing that Santee wants to do here. To feel better about the situation.

    Though 15 minutes of MIG Shield Gas passed through the front of the Microwave would most likely have the same effect.

    I can remember in the good old days having to eat Chips at 2 AM covered in the internals of a racing engine. The Castrol R Oil added a completely new and different taste to the chips but they still went down the same way and where enjoyed.

    Though to this day I still detest Castor Oil. :^0

    Col

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    santeewelding

    Not only a change in temperature, but thanks to Col, a change in atmosphere. Of course!

    If I take a dislike to the oven, too, I could substitute the CO2/Argon mixture with C2H2, enriched with Oxygen.

    KA-BOOM!

    Two cockroaches and the oven at one stroke.

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    OH Smeg

    But I find it funny.

    Col 0:-)

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    rjluvkc

    Get a large enough container that you could place this infested piece of equipment into.
    Next. Fill it up with water...next ENSURE THE DEVICE IS UNPLUGGED...place unit so that it is completely submerged...two things will take place.. they will come swimming out..or two..they will drown. Let unit completely dry out..this could take days or weeks depending on environment. If they swim out..you have em contained long enuf to get em...so as they dont move onto something else in the house and find residency!
    :)

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    santeewelding

    To what a friend suggested today. He said to put it out on the black asphalt here, where ambient is about 90 degrees, until the whole thing heats up and they come running out.

    ...unto my waiting tweezers and hammer.

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    Ron K.

    Freeze 'em into powder.

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    santeewelding

    There are two ends of the temperature scale!

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Blech.
    I battle them in Hot Springs, where it's humid and damp and they over run the 100+ year old place if I don't stay on top of them.

    Boric acid powder. Around the edges of the countertops, rooms, under the rugs that I can get under. In cracks and crooks and crannies throughout the house. Removed and replaced every six months.

    Bleach down all the drains, and in the bottom of the dishwasher before I leave. Bleach solution for cleaning countertops and floors before I leave.

    After twenty years of that, I rarely see them. Mostly outside, trying to decide if they 'really' want to come in or not.

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    neilb@uk

    You'd be surprised how many people don't know this one. I've never (touch wood) had an infestation but I keep boric acid for ants.

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    JamesRL

    We had a problem with our dog having fleas once, they nested in the carpet and the treatments on the dog weren't 100%. Throw the Borax, a related compound onto the carpet and wait a few hours before vacuuming up.

    Borax is found in many supermarkets as a laundry booster, but has many uses. I haven't checked but I'm thinking its less expensive than boric acid.

    James

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    I did not know. Thank you. :)

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    neilb@uk

    for the Sodium salt of Boric Acid. Every bit as deadly to roaches, ants and fleas.

    Useful for absorbing neutrons, should you have radioactive cockroaches.

    :)

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    JamesRL

    Was and is sold as a Laundry booster, was popular in the 50s and 60s, now there are better and more choices.

    I see when I googled it, its also used a thickening agent in chinese food, though its not allowed as a food additive in the US.

    James

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    neilb@uk

    unless I make some stir-fried Plutonium...

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    of using it for ants. Thank you. :)

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    SmartAceW0LF

    Seeing as how we are after the extreme torment here, seems to me this would be as good a time as any to put to test the "Amount of time the head of a cockroach can survive minus its body" experiment. Legend has it to be somewhere upwards to a month with some species. Have the time-lapse cameras ready!

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    santeewelding

    On my sledge hammer is broken. It's going to be blunt-force trauma.

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    Ron K.

    Get it over and done and try not to get any on you.

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    AnsuGisalas

    How would you measure the liveliness of a cockroach's head minus it's body?
    Talk to it?
    I can see it now...
    "I can still feel my legs you know... all six of them"
    "This is so strange, I try to scutter, but I don't scutter. That's what I can't get used to, not scuttering. I guess I'm just a scutterer, how about you?"
    "I could sure go for some decomposing foodstuffs right about now... would you mind putting some where my mandibles can reach?"
    "So, how long does a human head survive without it's body?"
    "Look behind you, my body's back, and it's mad! Haah! Made you look!"
    "Not getting on your nerves, am I?"
    "I'm told I can get on people's nerves"
    "What ya doing with that hammer? Santee?"
    "Sure looks heavy..."
    *Squish*

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    OH Smeg

    It's been Scientifically proven that they hear through their feet.

    Apparently when they hear you coming toward them they scatter but if you remove their legs and feet they stay put and are unable to hear you approach them.

    Col

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    oldbaritone

    They won't eat much.

    ;-)

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    TheChas

    You need to dis-assemble the microwave and clean the insides thoroughly.

    Set plastic sheeting or a thick layer of newsprint on a table or work surface.

    Unplug the microwave.

    Take the cover off. Pay close attention to any gaskets and foam seals that are in place.

    Vacuum the inside of the oven to remove all of the built up debris, and perhaps the nest.

    Treat the electronics just as you would a computer motherboard.

    Treat the magnetron with more respect than you reserve for an open computer power supply. Similar respect as you would the open back of a CRT monitor.

    Remove the screws or release the tabs that hold the control board in place.

    Bid your guests a proper goodbye.

    Clean, clean and clean some more any surface that has grease or food residue on it.

    While you have the oven apart, make sure to clean the cooking cavity and fan cover.

    Verify that the fan and stirrer are in good mechanical shape. Repair as needed.

    Put it all back together.

    Perform the dollar bill test on the door seal. If you place a dollar bill so that it is trapped by the seal, when you close the door, you should not be able to easily pull the dollar bill out. Check at least 3 places to verify the seal.

    If you did a good job of cleaning, and you were careful in putting the oven back together, it should work fine, and your friends will find a new home.

    Chas

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    cmiller5400

    Especially don't turn on the magnetron without the microwave being put back together verified. We don't want a cooked santee ]:)

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    santeewelding

    Not just me crowding around the monitor here taking notes!

    Most complicated thing I've done in this respect is a toaster oven where I went in to TIG-braze a major connector with silicon bronze (worked).

    While looking for the GE model number I took note of how to get into it (bottom cover, four screws). Thanks, also, for reminding me about the magnetron, and the dollar-bill trick.

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    oldbaritone

    take it to a repair shop and have them put it together for you.

    Or skip the above steps, and take it to the repair shop to begin with, and let them deal with the disease-ridden little buggers...

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    santeewelding

    I AM the repair shop. Besides, I want to get inside the thing and look those two little MFs in the eye to say, "Your time has come!"

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    PVBenn

    Like all Insects they can't tollerate cold, if you have space, bag it and then put it in a freezer for a day or so. Little SOB's might not die in there but they will harden up nicely and you might be able to shake them loose. If your lucky they might even crawl out trying to make to a warmer space.

    Be careful not to let the unit get below the MFG.s recomended minimum temp. something might not like the shrinkage other than the roachs.

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    santeewelding

    Has merit.

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    jfuller05

    They are probably in your microwave because of left over food particles or just oil. You know they can live off the oil from your finger print for a whole week!
    http://www.bulwarkpestcontrol.com/roach-control-cockroaches.php

    Good news is that they are easy to get rid of with the right bait. Professional baits are highly effective because the residual products will kill off the other roaches that eat the dead cockroaches. Yes, cockroaches will eat other dead roaches. Yuk, I know.

    Honestly you don't even have to get rid of your microwave.

    The only problem you will have once they are gone is keeping new roaches from coming back in. If you live in an apartment then you are really going to have a hard time with keeping them out. Go with cy-kick to keep them from coming back.

    You can buy all this stuff on line.

    http://www.pestprojoe.com

    edit: additional link

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    cmiller5400

    Pyrethrin is pretty effective. (Billy the Exterminator A&E show about pests) Made from Chrysanthemum's

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrin

    Disclaimer: I am NOT a professional exterminator. Just a guy that absolutely HATES creepy crawly bugs (not that they freak me out or anything, they are just disgusting, dirty, filthy, disease ridden pests) ]:)

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    Ron K.

    Buy a new one. Call in the Orkin man.

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    JamesRL

    Way back twenty years ago, when Microwaves cost many hundreds of dollars (about $500), my dear MIL gave us a present of a microwave that had been in for repair. When the owner got the bill, he decided to walk away.

    It seemed to work for a few months, then the even happened. We saw the occasional arc. We should have tossed it. But we kept it and eventually it arc'd then caught fire. Molten plastic inside. Acrid smell in the apartment. Could have been a lot worse (had a fire extinuihser handy).

    You can buy a microwave for $50. If a microwave repaired by a trained technician can go, then why would you risk taking yours apart and having something happen.

    James

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    Ron

    santeewelding

    It's the principle of the thing.

    I want to kill them personally.

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    Ron K.

    I want to get it over with as quickly and painlessly as possible.<br>
    A snake came out of our barn today when I opened the side door. I bet it was relieved to be outside. I'm fairly certain that my wife wanted me to dispatch it right away but it was just sitting there, seemingly interested in what I was doing. After I finished, it wandered off, most importantly, away from my wife.

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    OH Smeg

    She would have scared the poor thing senseless and it would never have stood a chance. I can remember her driving into a Native Reserve getting out of the car and standing on a snake the poor thing never stood a chance I believe that she started off by running over the poor thing and while it was lying on the ground asking did anyone see the Jumbo that ran over it she stood on the poor thing.

    Her in the car screaming out to get it away was the last straw for the poor thing it promptly slithered away where it committed suicide to escape from here.

    Col

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    Ron K.

    It reminds me to never get her mad at me. <br>
    Either her or I will kill wasps and hornets that come in the house. I swell up bad for days whenever I'm stung and the pain lasts for days too. I've gotten stung just sitting here.<br>
    I do have dibs on taking care of all bumblebees though. I trap them with a clear glass, slide a paper plate underneath it and release the fuzzy butt outdoors where they go off to tell their friends about their day. <br>
    Bumblebees are becoming extinct and I don't contribute to that.

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    santeewelding

    With fuzzy bumblebee butts? What do you do with them that they would tell their friends about?

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    OH Smeg

    It's better to look a Fuzzy Bubble Bee Buts than Sheep I suppose.

    After all Ron wouldn't want to get known as a Kiwi would he? :^0

    Col

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    Ron K.

    I also told you that you'd forget to answer based upon that question's placement in the email. <br>
    It's not a public story, only for trusted friends via email. If you want to know, I'll tell you.

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    Ron K.

    I was assembling a new gas grill in the yard one day when I happened to look up and there, lined up on the road, were 5 sheep critiquing my progress. <br>
    I quit putting my grill together and herded them back home, out of the road. By herding I mean I got in front of them and they followed me into their barn while I was talking to them, explaining the virtues of gas over charcoal. <br>
    They looked unconvinced.<br>
    Liable to see anything around here if you look long and hard enough.

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    OH Smeg

    Where probably worried about ending up on the Grill and then they wouldn't care one little bit if it was Gas or Charcoal.

    Col

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    Ron K.

    If they knew what awaits them they'd be armed with AKM's, sticks and rocks, kicking-***. I also think that the government would quickly move to disarm them so that it could continue to have it's way with them.

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    NexS

    Never mind the Warranty(if it's still valid) and pull the Microwave apart.

    Or send them an eviction notice... But you may need a translator to speak cockroach... hmmm

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    OH Smeg

    Watch a movie called Joe's Apartment and learn to share with these critters.

    As in Joe's Apartment they can be useful when required. :^0

    edited to add http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116707/

    Friendly little critters when you look at things properly I'm sure that you'll agree.

    Though personally I would pull it apart and let them out as they are probably trapped in there and can not get out. Just be careful to make sure that you don't turn the thing on while it is apart it's incredibly dangerous around the Magraton but if you do not want to be super careful you'll get to see some lovely arc's that don't look like anything you'll ever see with any form of Electric Welding. :0

    Col

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    NexS

    I remember watching this movie when it first came out... Don't remember much about it though...

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    AV .

    Santee, you gotta get a new one. You don't know where else they've been. They got in there somehow to begin with. What if its where you place your food. Yuk!

    Dump it. If you want revenge, you can always break the LED display to get at 'em.

    AV

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    Ron K.

    ... annoying cockroaches behind his inexpensive to replace, microwave's, breakable glass. I wonder if he'll make the connection.

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    santeewelding

    I tell you -- with malice aforethought. I am consumed by it.

    Not the oven. The two cockroaches.

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    TheChas

    I am fully with Santee on this.

    Even without taking out aggression against bugs, this is a pretty simple repair. Not really any more complex than gutting a computer case to clean all the dust out and then putting it back together.

    Beyond the satisfaction of repairing an appliance, why add to the trash in our landfills and to our trade imbalance with China?

    Of course, I am considered to go to extremes to repair items and keep them going.

    My wife drives a 91 Fifth Avenue. I just replaced my 94 Taurus that had over 300,000 miles on it.

    I pretty much perform all vehicle maintenance including brakes, suspension and external engine work. I can change the starter in a car my daughter had in less than 30 minutes.

    I have repaired my 20+ year old microwave at least 3 times. (All minor repairs.)

    I service my furnace several times a winter rather than pay for a service call or buy a new one.

    Yes, there does come a point where it is not worth repairing things. I will toss a motherboard or power supply rather than perform component level repairs. Although, I have been known to open up and at least look at optical and floppy drives.

    For work systems, I do have access to the correct tools for most component level repairs on circuit boards. When we can diagnose a bad card, we do repair rather than replace them.

    Now, Santee does need to ask where the bugs came from in the first place. More than the microwave may need cleaning and a good debugging.

    Chas

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    santeewelding

    I know exactly where they came from, and that's why I know there are only two of them.

    The two seem to know their brethren met untimely ends.

    I served in old Navy warships where they were so bad they would drop from the overhead into your plate of food in the galley. Things are more shipshape here.

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    OH Smeg

    Or for that matter likely to allow the bugs into the Food preparation Area.

    But even if they could get in there it's probably a good thing that they could as it helps to improve Santee's Immunity.

    These days with people paranoid over clean food preparation places the wellness of the general population is dropping and the resistance that the bugs are gaining is all about hurting us far more in the times to come in the very short term. So everything that Santee can do here to help improve his resistance to disease the better off he'll be.

    Besides the LED Display is separate from the Food Preparation Area and this is really no different to finding something inside a computer case. Though if they where to short out the Magnatron I'm sure that it wouldn't be worth repairing. However where they are is a easy fix and saves you some money well the owner of this device at least.

    All too often we are looking to increase our pollution of the planet from our throwaways when it's not required. I had a mate in the Foreign Service a few years ago who insisted he could furnish his living place in Japan better by visiting the Tokyo Dump than what he could afford to buy in the shops. That is hardly good for the planet or the population but it does help the economy a lot by throwing everything out every 6 months and buying new stuff.

    While it may be fashionable it's hardly necessary and most times isn't required. besides a full A Bottle of MIG Shield Gas would manage to kill off the roaches if it was dropped on them quite effectively and I think that is the type of thing that Santee wants to do here. To feel better about the situation.

    Though 15 minutes of MIG Shield Gas passed through the front of the Microwave would most likely have the same effect.

    I can remember in the good old days having to eat Chips at 2 AM covered in the internals of a racing engine. The Castrol R Oil added a completely new and different taste to the chips but they still went down the same way and where enjoyed.

    Though to this day I still detest Castor Oil. :^0

    Col

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    santeewelding

    Not only a change in temperature, but thanks to Col, a change in atmosphere. Of course!

    If I take a dislike to the oven, too, I could substitute the CO2/Argon mixture with C2H2, enriched with Oxygen.

    KA-BOOM!

    Two cockroaches and the oven at one stroke.

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    OH Smeg

    But I find it funny.

    Col 0:-)

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    rjluvkc

    Get a large enough container that you could place this infested piece of equipment into.
    Next. Fill it up with water...next ENSURE THE DEVICE IS UNPLUGGED...place unit so that it is completely submerged...two things will take place.. they will come swimming out..or two..they will drown. Let unit completely dry out..this could take days or weeks depending on environment. If they swim out..you have em contained long enuf to get em...so as they dont move onto something else in the house and find residency!
    :)

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    santeewelding

    To what a friend suggested today. He said to put it out on the black asphalt here, where ambient is about 90 degrees, until the whole thing heats up and they come running out.

    ...unto my waiting tweezers and hammer.

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    Ron K.

    Freeze 'em into powder.

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    santeewelding

    There are two ends of the temperature scale!

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Blech.
    I battle them in Hot Springs, where it's humid and damp and they over run the 100+ year old place if I don't stay on top of them.

    Boric acid powder. Around the edges of the countertops, rooms, under the rugs that I can get under. In cracks and crooks and crannies throughout the house. Removed and replaced every six months.

    Bleach down all the drains, and in the bottom of the dishwasher before I leave. Bleach solution for cleaning countertops and floors before I leave.

    After twenty years of that, I rarely see them. Mostly outside, trying to decide if they 'really' want to come in or not.

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    neilb@uk

    You'd be surprised how many people don't know this one. I've never (touch wood) had an infestation but I keep boric acid for ants.

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    JamesRL

    We had a problem with our dog having fleas once, they nested in the carpet and the treatments on the dog weren't 100%. Throw the Borax, a related compound onto the carpet and wait a few hours before vacuuming up.

    Borax is found in many supermarkets as a laundry booster, but has many uses. I haven't checked but I'm thinking its less expensive than boric acid.

    James

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    I did not know. Thank you. :)

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    neilb@uk

    for the Sodium salt of Boric Acid. Every bit as deadly to roaches, ants and fleas.

    Useful for absorbing neutrons, should you have radioactive cockroaches.

    :)

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    JamesRL

    Was and is sold as a Laundry booster, was popular in the 50s and 60s, now there are better and more choices.

    I see when I googled it, its also used a thickening agent in chinese food, though its not allowed as a food additive in the US.

    James

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    neilb@uk

    unless I make some stir-fried Plutonium...

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    of using it for ants. Thank you. :)

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    SmartAceW0LF

    Seeing as how we are after the extreme torment here, seems to me this would be as good a time as any to put to test the "Amount of time the head of a cockroach can survive minus its body" experiment. Legend has it to be somewhere upwards to a month with some species. Have the time-lapse cameras ready!

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    santeewelding

    On my sledge hammer is broken. It's going to be blunt-force trauma.

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    Ron K.

    Get it over and done and try not to get any on you.

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    AnsuGisalas

    How would you measure the liveliness of a cockroach's head minus it's body?
    Talk to it?
    I can see it now...
    "I can still feel my legs you know... all six of them"
    "This is so strange, I try to scutter, but I don't scutter. That's what I can't get used to, not scuttering. I guess I'm just a scutterer, how about you?"
    "I could sure go for some decomposing foodstuffs right about now... would you mind putting some where my mandibles can reach?"
    "So, how long does a human head survive without it's body?"
    "Look behind you, my body's back, and it's mad! Haah! Made you look!"
    "Not getting on your nerves, am I?"
    "I'm told I can get on people's nerves"
    "What ya doing with that hammer? Santee?"
    "Sure looks heavy..."
    *Squish*

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    OH Smeg

    It's been Scientifically proven that they hear through their feet.

    Apparently when they hear you coming toward them they scatter but if you remove their legs and feet they stay put and are unable to hear you approach them.

    Col