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Switch from Domain to Workgroup

dklauk
I have a small SBS2003 net with 4 workstations all of which run xp pro. The workstations/users were initially set up to be part of a domain but now I need to isolate a domain problem (by eliminating it, even if just temporarily) so that I can troubleshoot the net behavior in a peer-to-peer manner.

QUESTION: If I go to each client workstation and switch from the domain to a workgroup, will XP keep the current user profile and also use the current computer name? I am concerned that I will lose the user profile when I do the reboot of each workstation.
Thanks.
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    Churdoo

    ... will reset the profile. The users will log in and a new profile will be created for them and they will not have access to their old one.

    You would have to copy their domain profile to a local user account before you unjoin the domain for the best chance of keeping the profiles. This makes your troubleshooting technique a pain in the a$$, especially if temporary because you'll have to copy their profile again when you go back to the domain.

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    dklauk

    1. By 'domain profile' you mean the user profile on the xp station that is associated with the domain on the server?

    2. Could I not go into xp..."My Computer...Properties...Advanced, then click the Settings button in the UserProfile frame" and save the user profile to a thumb drive, say? And then do the unjoin to a workgroup; reboot to a new user profile and then copy the saved user profile to Docs & Settings?

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    Jacky Howe

    You would be better of doing this while you are still connected to the Domain.
    You can copy the Users Cached Profile.

    Copy a User Profile
    To copy an existing user profile to another user's account, follow these steps:
    1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties on the shortcut menu that appears.
    2. Click the Advanced tab, and then click Settings under User Profiles.
    3. In the Profiles stored on this computer list, click the profile that you want to copy.
    4. Click Copy To.
    5. In the Copy To dialog box, do one of the following:? In the Copy profile to box.
    ? Click Browse, and then navigate to the user profile folder that you want to copy the profile to. Click OK.
    6. Under Permitted to use, click Change. Type the name of the user that will be permitted to use this profile, and then click OK.
    7. In the Copy To dialog box, click OK. If you receive a "Confirm Copy" message, click Yes.
    8. Click OK twice.

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    dklauk

    I like this approach. However, you say "To copy an existing user profile to another user's account." Actually, I want to copy the cached profile to the same user account on the same xp pro station.

    Did I explain this okay?

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    Jacky Howe

    the Profile that the User is using to connect to the Domain is a Cached Profile.
    Create a new User Local Account and copy the Domain Profile over that. When you disconnect from the Domain you can rename the new Profile to the name of the original Domain Profile. Make sense?

    < add local account >

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    dklauk

    I think I understand. Am I correct in saying that I do the steps you outline w/o having to reboot?

    And that when a reboot is done the cached profile will be the one the user wants?

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    Jacky Howe

    from the Domain the cached Profile may dissapear. You will want to log on with the New Profile as it is a copy of the original Profile.

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    dklauk

    Thanks, True Blue, for your help.

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    Jacky Howe

    Thanks for the Thumb.

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    CG IT

    for the local XP machines. you do this while you still are connected to the domain.

    With domain admin privileges, on each workstation, in control panel, users, reset or assign the administrators account a password. If you do not do this, you will not be able to log on locally to the machine using an administrators level account to configure the workstations.

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    Jacky Howe

    I will have to stop taking it for granted that everyone thinks like I do as I always set a Backdoor on Workstations. I normally set the Administrators password and create another Local Administrator just in case. :)

    To be sure to be sure

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    dklauk

    Thanks for the last tip--a really big one at that!

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    CG IT

    domain credentials doesn't provide local rights and permissions. The local machine administrators account may or may not have a password and may or may not have had it's named changed. If you don't set it up before you change from domain to workgroup, you won't be able to log on and then have to crack the admin account password.

    With domain admin account, you can get in and set the local machine admin account name and password. That way you can get in once the machine is disjoined from the domain. I've run into this problem alot where the domain administrator didn't realize the domain admin account didn't work on the local machine.

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    Jacky Howe

    and there's domain administrators.

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    Churdoo

    ... will reset the profile. The users will log in and a new profile will be created for them and they will not have access to their old one.

    You would have to copy their domain profile to a local user account before you unjoin the domain for the best chance of keeping the profiles. This makes your troubleshooting technique a pain in the a$$, especially if temporary because you'll have to copy their profile again when you go back to the domain.

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    dklauk

    1. By 'domain profile' you mean the user profile on the xp station that is associated with the domain on the server?

    2. Could I not go into xp..."My Computer...Properties...Advanced, then click the Settings button in the UserProfile frame" and save the user profile to a thumb drive, say? And then do the unjoin to a workgroup; reboot to a new user profile and then copy the saved user profile to Docs & Settings?

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    Jacky Howe

    You would be better of doing this while you are still connected to the Domain.
    You can copy the Users Cached Profile.

    Copy a User Profile
    To copy an existing user profile to another user's account, follow these steps:
    1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties on the shortcut menu that appears.
    2. Click the Advanced tab, and then click Settings under User Profiles.
    3. In the Profiles stored on this computer list, click the profile that you want to copy.
    4. Click Copy To.
    5. In the Copy To dialog box, do one of the following:? In the Copy profile to box.
    ? Click Browse, and then navigate to the user profile folder that you want to copy the profile to. Click OK.
    6. Under Permitted to use, click Change. Type the name of the user that will be permitted to use this profile, and then click OK.
    7. In the Copy To dialog box, click OK. If you receive a "Confirm Copy" message, click Yes.
    8. Click OK twice.

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    dklauk

    I like this approach. However, you say "To copy an existing user profile to another user's account." Actually, I want to copy the cached profile to the same user account on the same xp pro station.

    Did I explain this okay?

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    Jacky Howe

    the Profile that the User is using to connect to the Domain is a Cached Profile.
    Create a new User Local Account and copy the Domain Profile over that. When you disconnect from the Domain you can rename the new Profile to the name of the original Domain Profile. Make sense?

    < add local account >

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    dklauk

    I think I understand. Am I correct in saying that I do the steps you outline w/o having to reboot?

    And that when a reboot is done the cached profile will be the one the user wants?

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    Jacky Howe

    from the Domain the cached Profile may dissapear. You will want to log on with the New Profile as it is a copy of the original Profile.

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    dklauk

    Thanks, True Blue, for your help.

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    Jacky Howe

    Thanks for the Thumb.

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    CG IT

    for the local XP machines. you do this while you still are connected to the domain.

    With domain admin privileges, on each workstation, in control panel, users, reset or assign the administrators account a password. If you do not do this, you will not be able to log on locally to the machine using an administrators level account to configure the workstations.

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    Jacky Howe

    I will have to stop taking it for granted that everyone thinks like I do as I always set a Backdoor on Workstations. I normally set the Administrators password and create another Local Administrator just in case. :)

    To be sure to be sure

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    dklauk

    Thanks for the last tip--a really big one at that!

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    CG IT

    domain credentials doesn't provide local rights and permissions. The local machine administrators account may or may not have a password and may or may not have had it's named changed. If you don't set it up before you change from domain to workgroup, you won't be able to log on and then have to crack the admin account password.

    With domain admin account, you can get in and set the local machine admin account name and password. That way you can get in once the machine is disjoined from the domain. I've run into this problem alot where the domain administrator didn't realize the domain admin account didn't work on the local machine.

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    Jacky Howe

    and there's domain administrators.