Questions

Updating from GE Force 5200 to GE Force 8400GS, won't work.

+
0 Votes
Locked

Updating from GE Force 5200 to GE Force 8400GS, won't work.

gejettest
I'm trying to update to PCI from AGP, won't work. I get nothing on the monitor when going to PCI. I have an older Amptron mobo, P4-935LU v.7.0. Any suggestions? I'm using the onboard graphics, too slow. This is Windows XP.
  • +
    0 Votes
    Wizard-09

    Have you checked the BIOS settings for the new card, check the BIOS settings this maybe where your issue is.

    +
    0 Votes
    seanferd

    Can the system power the card? What exactly does not working look like?

    If you have 512 Mb RAM and a 300W PSU without a bunch of other stuff pushing the power limit, it should work.

    Did you install the drivers? Is it fully seated in the PCI slot? Have the monitor connected to the correct video out?

    Tried the card in another computer? Tried a different card in that PCI slot?

    +
    0 Votes
    OH Smeg

    But from past experience I can tell you that some well actually quite a lot of NVidia Video Chip Set Cards do not work at all well with non Intel Chip Set M'Boards.

    I've seen lots of Incompatibility Issues where just fitting a Video Card has stopped the entire computer from starting.

    But as said above make sure that you have a big enough PS. Have plugged in any Power Connections to the Video Card that are required.

    If it's not that I would look at the Same Chip Set Video Card from a different maker and try that. It's a very common thing for one Video Card to not work and the same Video Card from a different Maker works perfectly.

    Of course if you don't want to mess around you can always go to a different type Video Card with a ATI Chip Set.

    Col

    +
    0 Votes
    gejettest

    I have a brand new 480 watt P/S. I called PNY tech support, they walked me through everything I already did, finally they said it may not be compatible with such an old board. They recommended an update for the BIOS. I found 'SmartTweak', downloaded their free scan, found 10 driver updates, but nothing for the motherboard. From what I can gather I have a P4-935LU v.7.0. I have found MOBO updates Version 4.02.02. Sounds like it is an older version, am I wrong? Or should I download it? I tried to contact Amptron, maker of the motherboard, but found a domain site, all phone numbers listed for them turn out to be useless.

    I have the monitor connected to the on-board graphics so I can see what I'm doing. I loaded the drivers, all looks good, but when I connect the monitor to the new card, there is no signal to the Dell monitor. I did go to the BIOS page and set the settings according to the techs request, still no good.

    Thanks for all your help
    Henry

    +
    0 Votes
    OH Smeg

    The M'Board or the Software Package I'm not really sure. The M'Board seems to have a Intel 935 Chip Set if the Designation is anything to go by though.

    With that Chip Set I've found in the past that ATI Video Cards work best but a Hint with AGP Cards.

    Quite often you need to loosen the Back Plate Screws to fully inset the Card into the Socket. This is because different cases may have different heights from the M'Board to where the Bracket mounts and if the distance is a bit short it can stop the Video Card to go all of the way into the Socket.

    As a last resort I would suggest removing the Back Bracket and inserting the card to see if that works.

    Just the fact that the On Board Video continues to work when you plug in the Video Card tends to suggest that the Video Card isn't going all of the way into the AGP Socket as the On Board Video should get turned off when you plug in a AGP Card.

    Col

    +
    0 Votes
    gejettest

    Thanks for the tip, will give it a go. BTW, when the new PNY card is installed it has a cooling fan on the card itself, the fan runs when the card is installed, does this mean it is fully plugged in? Maybe only partially??
    Pardon my ignorance, how does the hierarchy of cards go. I thought it went AGP, PCI, then PCI express? Where does ATI fit in?

    +
    0 Votes
    OH Smeg

    Just like NVidia.

    Currently ATI is owned by AMD Advanced Micro Devices the CPU Maker. Among other things they make the Radeon Series of Video Cards.

    http://sites.amd.com/us/game/products/graphics/Pages/graphics.aspx

    Col

    +
    0 Votes
    Who Am I Really

    that's the order of graphics cards by generation

    and integrated graphics usually reside on the PCI bus even in most recent systems

    +
    0 Votes
    OH Smeg

    The real order is ISA, VESA, PCI, AGP. PCI-e

    You forgot the expended ISA Bus VESA Cards.

    Col

    +
    0 Votes
    Who Am I Really

    which turned out to be a bit of a dud and was only around in a few 80486 systems
    because you couldn't use more than one of the slots

    ie. a graphics card with a VLB connector couldn't be installed along side of a multi-IO card which also had the connector

    one of the devices wouldn't operate

    VESA is just a standard not really a slot

    a few of my old 8-bit & 16-bit ISA cards support the VESA Standard but don't plug into a VLB slot

    Edit:
    here's a pic of one of my systems with a VLB
    http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz249/WhatNameShoudIUse/VLB-Bus.jpg?t=1294106220

    +
    0 Votes
    yogesh.kumar

    Hai friend this is yogesh from vijayawada i read ur doubt which of the doubt did u ask in that u did not specify in which ways u can test done ?
    1.may be that graphic card not supported to ur mother board
    or
    2. May be the screen resolution is not support to ur monitor
    3. May be check the display settings in bios

    Please check the above instructions i hope ur problem is solve
    if ur problem is solve please mail to my id yugandher.28@gmail.com

  • +
    0 Votes
    Wizard-09

    Have you checked the BIOS settings for the new card, check the BIOS settings this maybe where your issue is.

    +
    0 Votes
    seanferd

    Can the system power the card? What exactly does not working look like?

    If you have 512 Mb RAM and a 300W PSU without a bunch of other stuff pushing the power limit, it should work.

    Did you install the drivers? Is it fully seated in the PCI slot? Have the monitor connected to the correct video out?

    Tried the card in another computer? Tried a different card in that PCI slot?

    +
    0 Votes
    OH Smeg

    But from past experience I can tell you that some well actually quite a lot of NVidia Video Chip Set Cards do not work at all well with non Intel Chip Set M'Boards.

    I've seen lots of Incompatibility Issues where just fitting a Video Card has stopped the entire computer from starting.

    But as said above make sure that you have a big enough PS. Have plugged in any Power Connections to the Video Card that are required.

    If it's not that I would look at the Same Chip Set Video Card from a different maker and try that. It's a very common thing for one Video Card to not work and the same Video Card from a different Maker works perfectly.

    Of course if you don't want to mess around you can always go to a different type Video Card with a ATI Chip Set.

    Col

    +
    0 Votes
    gejettest

    I have a brand new 480 watt P/S. I called PNY tech support, they walked me through everything I already did, finally they said it may not be compatible with such an old board. They recommended an update for the BIOS. I found 'SmartTweak', downloaded their free scan, found 10 driver updates, but nothing for the motherboard. From what I can gather I have a P4-935LU v.7.0. I have found MOBO updates Version 4.02.02. Sounds like it is an older version, am I wrong? Or should I download it? I tried to contact Amptron, maker of the motherboard, but found a domain site, all phone numbers listed for them turn out to be useless.

    I have the monitor connected to the on-board graphics so I can see what I'm doing. I loaded the drivers, all looks good, but when I connect the monitor to the new card, there is no signal to the Dell monitor. I did go to the BIOS page and set the settings according to the techs request, still no good.

    Thanks for all your help
    Henry

    +
    0 Votes
    OH Smeg

    The M'Board or the Software Package I'm not really sure. The M'Board seems to have a Intel 935 Chip Set if the Designation is anything to go by though.

    With that Chip Set I've found in the past that ATI Video Cards work best but a Hint with AGP Cards.

    Quite often you need to loosen the Back Plate Screws to fully inset the Card into the Socket. This is because different cases may have different heights from the M'Board to where the Bracket mounts and if the distance is a bit short it can stop the Video Card to go all of the way into the Socket.

    As a last resort I would suggest removing the Back Bracket and inserting the card to see if that works.

    Just the fact that the On Board Video continues to work when you plug in the Video Card tends to suggest that the Video Card isn't going all of the way into the AGP Socket as the On Board Video should get turned off when you plug in a AGP Card.

    Col

    +
    0 Votes
    gejettest

    Thanks for the tip, will give it a go. BTW, when the new PNY card is installed it has a cooling fan on the card itself, the fan runs when the card is installed, does this mean it is fully plugged in? Maybe only partially??
    Pardon my ignorance, how does the hierarchy of cards go. I thought it went AGP, PCI, then PCI express? Where does ATI fit in?

    +
    0 Votes
    OH Smeg

    Just like NVidia.

    Currently ATI is owned by AMD Advanced Micro Devices the CPU Maker. Among other things they make the Radeon Series of Video Cards.

    http://sites.amd.com/us/game/products/graphics/Pages/graphics.aspx

    Col

    +
    0 Votes
    Who Am I Really

    that's the order of graphics cards by generation

    and integrated graphics usually reside on the PCI bus even in most recent systems

    +
    0 Votes
    OH Smeg

    The real order is ISA, VESA, PCI, AGP. PCI-e

    You forgot the expended ISA Bus VESA Cards.

    Col

    +
    0 Votes
    Who Am I Really

    which turned out to be a bit of a dud and was only around in a few 80486 systems
    because you couldn't use more than one of the slots

    ie. a graphics card with a VLB connector couldn't be installed along side of a multi-IO card which also had the connector

    one of the devices wouldn't operate

    VESA is just a standard not really a slot

    a few of my old 8-bit & 16-bit ISA cards support the VESA Standard but don't plug into a VLB slot

    Edit:
    here's a pic of one of my systems with a VLB
    http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz249/WhatNameShoudIUse/VLB-Bus.jpg?t=1294106220

    +
    0 Votes
    yogesh.kumar

    Hai friend this is yogesh from vijayawada i read ur doubt which of the doubt did u ask in that u did not specify in which ways u can test done ?
    1.may be that graphic card not supported to ur mother board
    or
    2. May be the screen resolution is not support to ur monitor
    3. May be check the display settings in bios

    Please check the above instructions i hope ur problem is solve
    if ur problem is solve please mail to my id yugandher.28@gmail.com