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What do I do if I can not sell XP?

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What do I do if I can not sell XP?

raymondh
I sell/build computers in a local only market.Service many business needs and some home users. I have had a number of customers that bought Windows 7 shortly after it was released but are planning to stay with XP because of a few things they do not like with Windows 7. XP is a very good business system. What do I do now that I can not sell it any more?
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    So, what are these few things that they do not like about Win7?
    I find it (WIn7 Ultimate 64 bit) very secure, and also if you need to Reload Win7 for a repair or reinstall it does it quite quick. It depends on which flavour of Win7 they had. If they went with the Ultimate 64 bit version they would be quite pleased.

    I can still get Windows XP (with SP2, English version) over here for 158 (Eng pounds), maybe less.

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    raymondh

    Much dislike for the Start Menu. It is not user frendly. In Windows Vista they gave the Classic option. Not in 7. The indexing can be a real pain when attempting to read (for ex.) a backup drive. We know extactly where we want to go but Windows 7 can take 30 minutes to index it before it will let you read it. No built in email client is a hugh factor to many as Outlook Express is impossible to replace for those that are used to it. I've had several go back to XP because of this and a number that just have not upgraded because of it. (This is a big deal to those that half the reason they bought a computer is email). There are times that after you copy folders with Windows 7 that the folders are there but the folders are empty. When they use Windows XP to copy the exact same folder everyting comes along. I've seen them do this - I have no answer for why the folders are empty. Windows Explorer in Windows XP is much easier to work in then the Windows 7 Version

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    seanferd

    Classic shell
    http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=2033
    Under constant development, up to v2 currently)

    Classic Start Menu (different app, same deal, but just the Star menu)
    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/2227/get-the-classic-start-menu-in-windows-7/

    As to the folder copying problem, I'll bet that if you refresh the screen, the contents will be there. If not, report this to MS.

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    OH Smeg

    Thunderbird for a mail client springs to mind and it's free

    http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

    As for as selling systems loaded with XP this is easy. All you have to do is sell a Windows 7 Pro of higher OEM Set with the new system and load it with XP. 7 Pro and Higher have a Backward License which allows you to sell the new product and load the old. It will also give the owner the opportunity later to load 7 when/if they need it.

    Col

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    seanferd

    people will have to buy something else, or go without, no? Until then, start buying up XP licenses.

    So, you are back to offering Vista or 7. Alternatively, you could offer non-Windows OS like a Linux, Solaris, or a BSD. You can get free or paid versions of these, so you can either re-sell them or just charge for the setup.

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    AnsuGisalas

    Next hottest paper on the Nasdaq... WinXP licenses!

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    seanferd

    on XP license futures! Act now!

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    AnsuGisalas

    XP license pasts...

    Seriously though, I'm starting to wonder what I'm going to do... I guess a choice is being forced soon, and the jump to 7 is just too steep.
    I guess I'll really have to start training myself on Linux... I want to keep the kind of system I have now... 1,6GHz or so. I don't want to have to get a huge processor so I can run apps that I don't need.

    Crap. Then I have to find out if winfast .dot files can run on OpenOffice or other linux-based wordprocessors. Or if Office 2007 runs under wine...

    Ludd almighty, stop the insanity!

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    seanferd

    If it is an MS Office document template file, it should work without issue in OO.

    7 really isn't that bad. Way better than Vista. What is too steep for me is the price.

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    AnsuGisalas

    Wordfast it is; a CAT tool (comp. assist. translation). I hope it works, but I'd better check it out.

    To me, the price, and the requirements.

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    Oh.

    seanferd

    Uses macros and stuff.

    As long as it isn't using proprietary stuff like VBA, it may work fine. About 15 minutes of download and installation, you'll know for sure.

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    If I were to go around selling Linux or other Gnu Os's I would hate the service calls for the driver issues. It seams every time I say screw Windows and install Ubuntu or Fedora I have all these problems with simple tasks like connecting to the router because I do not have a compatible driver. Now I am not saying that Linux sucks. But I have been using Win 7 home and I would recommend it to anyone. What I did find out was that I did not educate myself enough when I installed it on my clients computers. Now that I am aware of the imperfections in win 7 I can start explaining this to the end users.

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    AnsuGisalas

    If you install it on your customers' computers, you check the drivers too, right?
    Also, Win7 has a steeply priced list of hardware requirements.
    So what if Linux has a similar list (not steep, but specific-like) of hardware requirements?
    Same thing, at least from where I'm standing. Except the cost on the one side, and the amount of homework on the other.
    But sometimes homework is fun, at least the money saved sure is.

    But the real issue is, is it really that much better than XP, and if not, why buy it?

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    seanferd

    And since you are doing the install, you'd make sure it all works before handing it over, no?

    Of course, non-Windows OS aren't for everyone, but if they hate 7, and you can't get XP, what do you have left? Support client issues with 7, or support client issues with something else.

    or, you could funnel a lot of money and man-hours into ReactOS development...

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    OH Smeg

    Well the easy answer and this is even M$ Approved is to:-

    Buy 7 Pro or higher and install XP. 7 Has a Backward License that you can use if neither the Virtual PC or XP Mode are suitable for the needs of the customer.

    But having said that at a local Computer Market last week I saw new copies of Windows 98 SE for sale in unopened packs. XP should be around for a very long time to come if that is anything to go by.

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    seanferd

    just how long one will be able to find retail copies of XP.

    Unopened copies of 98SE? They'll probably still be there next year. (Actually, I'd buy one for a reasonable price, even if I never do use it.)

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    AnsuGisalas

    That sort of defeats the purpose for me.

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    So, what are these few things that they do not like about Win7?
    I find it (WIn7 Ultimate 64 bit) very secure, and also if you need to Reload Win7 for a repair or reinstall it does it quite quick. It depends on which flavour of Win7 they had. If they went with the Ultimate 64 bit version they would be quite pleased.

    I can still get Windows XP (with SP2, English version) over here for 158 (Eng pounds), maybe less.

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    raymondh

    Much dislike for the Start Menu. It is not user frendly. In Windows Vista they gave the Classic option. Not in 7. The indexing can be a real pain when attempting to read (for ex.) a backup drive. We know extactly where we want to go but Windows 7 can take 30 minutes to index it before it will let you read it. No built in email client is a hugh factor to many as Outlook Express is impossible to replace for those that are used to it. I've had several go back to XP because of this and a number that just have not upgraded because of it. (This is a big deal to those that half the reason they bought a computer is email). There are times that after you copy folders with Windows 7 that the folders are there but the folders are empty. When they use Windows XP to copy the exact same folder everyting comes along. I've seen them do this - I have no answer for why the folders are empty. Windows Explorer in Windows XP is much easier to work in then the Windows 7 Version

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    seanferd

    Classic shell
    http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=2033
    Under constant development, up to v2 currently)

    Classic Start Menu (different app, same deal, but just the Star menu)
    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/2227/get-the-classic-start-menu-in-windows-7/

    As to the folder copying problem, I'll bet that if you refresh the screen, the contents will be there. If not, report this to MS.

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    OH Smeg

    Thunderbird for a mail client springs to mind and it's free

    http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

    As for as selling systems loaded with XP this is easy. All you have to do is sell a Windows 7 Pro of higher OEM Set with the new system and load it with XP. 7 Pro and Higher have a Backward License which allows you to sell the new product and load the old. It will also give the owner the opportunity later to load 7 when/if they need it.

    Col

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    seanferd

    people will have to buy something else, or go without, no? Until then, start buying up XP licenses.

    So, you are back to offering Vista or 7. Alternatively, you could offer non-Windows OS like a Linux, Solaris, or a BSD. You can get free or paid versions of these, so you can either re-sell them or just charge for the setup.

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    AnsuGisalas

    Next hottest paper on the Nasdaq... WinXP licenses!

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    seanferd

    on XP license futures! Act now!

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    AnsuGisalas

    XP license pasts...

    Seriously though, I'm starting to wonder what I'm going to do... I guess a choice is being forced soon, and the jump to 7 is just too steep.
    I guess I'll really have to start training myself on Linux... I want to keep the kind of system I have now... 1,6GHz or so. I don't want to have to get a huge processor so I can run apps that I don't need.

    Crap. Then I have to find out if winfast .dot files can run on OpenOffice or other linux-based wordprocessors. Or if Office 2007 runs under wine...

    Ludd almighty, stop the insanity!

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    seanferd

    If it is an MS Office document template file, it should work without issue in OO.

    7 really isn't that bad. Way better than Vista. What is too steep for me is the price.

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    AnsuGisalas

    Wordfast it is; a CAT tool (comp. assist. translation). I hope it works, but I'd better check it out.

    To me, the price, and the requirements.

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    Oh.

    seanferd

    Uses macros and stuff.

    As long as it isn't using proprietary stuff like VBA, it may work fine. About 15 minutes of download and installation, you'll know for sure.

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    If I were to go around selling Linux or other Gnu Os's I would hate the service calls for the driver issues. It seams every time I say screw Windows and install Ubuntu or Fedora I have all these problems with simple tasks like connecting to the router because I do not have a compatible driver. Now I am not saying that Linux sucks. But I have been using Win 7 home and I would recommend it to anyone. What I did find out was that I did not educate myself enough when I installed it on my clients computers. Now that I am aware of the imperfections in win 7 I can start explaining this to the end users.

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    AnsuGisalas

    If you install it on your customers' computers, you check the drivers too, right?
    Also, Win7 has a steeply priced list of hardware requirements.
    So what if Linux has a similar list (not steep, but specific-like) of hardware requirements?
    Same thing, at least from where I'm standing. Except the cost on the one side, and the amount of homework on the other.
    But sometimes homework is fun, at least the money saved sure is.

    But the real issue is, is it really that much better than XP, and if not, why buy it?

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    seanferd

    And since you are doing the install, you'd make sure it all works before handing it over, no?

    Of course, non-Windows OS aren't for everyone, but if they hate 7, and you can't get XP, what do you have left? Support client issues with 7, or support client issues with something else.

    or, you could funnel a lot of money and man-hours into ReactOS development...

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    OH Smeg

    Well the easy answer and this is even M$ Approved is to:-

    Buy 7 Pro or higher and install XP. 7 Has a Backward License that you can use if neither the Virtual PC or XP Mode are suitable for the needs of the customer.

    But having said that at a local Computer Market last week I saw new copies of Windows 98 SE for sale in unopened packs. XP should be around for a very long time to come if that is anything to go by.

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    seanferd

    just how long one will be able to find retail copies of XP.

    Unopened copies of 98SE? They'll probably still be there next year. (Actually, I'd buy one for a reasonable price, even if I never do use it.)

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    AnsuGisalas

    That sort of defeats the purpose for me.