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What is better an Apple computer or a standard PC??

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What is better an Apple computer or a standard PC??

joshua.smithers
I was wondering if the hardware quality in an Apple computer is better than a standard PC.
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    OnTheRopes

    Define standard.<br>
    We just bought an eMachine's PC with XP Home Edition from Walmart for 400 bucks. I expect that even a low end Apple machine will have better hardware.<br>
    My wife has an eMachine that's been running fine for the last 5/6 years with just routine maintenance although it has been upgraded in several areas.

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    OldER Mycroft

    By and large, you can ONLY attach other Apple hardware to an Apple Computer - this rule applies to ancillary equipment AND to internal system upgrades.

    Whereas upgrading a PC can be done using any PC-compatible upgrade from the raft of manufacturers that cater to the PC.

    For example - check out the reults from these 2 Google searches:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=scanner+for+Apple&btnG=Search&meta=

    How many links point straight to Apple?

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=scanner+for+PC&meta=&btnG=Google+Search

    These links point all over the place.

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    OnTheRopes

    Something to dink around with.<br>
    I hope to be running XP for a long, long time.

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    JamesRL

    That was somewhat true in 1985. But since then there have been many manufacturers other than apple whose peripherals work fine with Macs.

    As for your example, HP Canon, Epson, Nikon, Microtek, Umax, Fujitsu, Pentax, Konica Minolta and others all sell scanners and software for the Mac.

    When I did a search on CNet for Mac Printers, I only found 1663 results.

    I remember hearing this lame argument when I was selling Macs twenty years ago. I could then pull out a catalogue with over three thousand listings for third party commerical software, and I'm sure its bigger now.

    The only significant gap for Macs are games. There are many good games available for the Mac, but not every trendy game is available. With the current trend to consoles I'm not sure this makes much difference.

    James

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    OldER Mycroft

    I only ever experienced Apple in a professional graphics workstation environment. Mainly in the commercial print field.

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    JamesRL

    ...except that I ran a newspaper using Macs for typesetting (onto Linotypes for the resolution). And I used Macs for typsetting brouchures for various clients.

    I did colour separations on a Mac 20 years ago, in fact I went to a commercial printing exhibition back then on behalf of a Mac dealer and we sold quite a few units.

    So yeah I know nothing about commerical printing, except it paid some of my bills.

    James

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    OldER Mycroft

    At no point did I suggest that you 'knew nothing'.

    However, now that you've introduced the possibilities ...

    #1 You didn't use Macs for typesetting - the Macs were the vehicle that ran QuarkXpress and QuarkXpress did the actual typesetting, not the Mac.

    #2 You didn't ever do colour separations 'on a Mac' - the colour separations would have been done on an industry-standards scanner (hopefully a rotary chamber scanner, spinning upwards of 10,000 rpm). The Macs would have handled the imposition of the separations, for page make-up and imposition into QuarkXpress or some such other Desktop Publishing software.

    Any introduction of non-scanned spot colours would have been handled 'on a Mac' by the Pantone Colour Matching System, working in tandem with QuarkXpress.

    However, now that we have entered the 21st Century and Apple no longer despises the Intel family of processors, industry-standard producers like Quark and Pantone have all joined the Intel bandwagon and all of the above procedures, once the sole capability of the Apple Mac, can now be produced with equanimity on an equally capable PC.

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    JamesRL

    That since you had experience with Macs, you knew everything. I sold Macs, supported Macs, used Macs for publishing, taught DTP classes on Macs,etc.

    As for typesetting, the software (Quark Xpress) ran on a Mac. And the software can't run on its own, hence, the Mac did the typesetting. Likewise, the Linotype was simply a high end printer that accepted PostScript files directly from the Mac. Since we didn't own one of our own, I would walk into a service bureau, use one of their Macs and chose the Linotype as a printer the same way I would chose a laserwriter.

    The scanner was the input device for the Mac on colour seps. When you draw with a mouse, is the mouse the peripheral or the computer?

    I never said these programs were exclusive to the Mac. In fact I used to work for Corel which for most of its time avoided Macs (long story).

    You said there were few non-Apple peripherals, and used scanners as an example, which clearly was mistaken. Because Apple abandoned both the SCSI bus and the proprietary keboard/mouse bus (ADB) in favour of USB, there are many devices available that work with the addition of a simple driver.

    There are many reasons to buy a Mac, many not to. But lack of peripherals or software isn't one of them.

    BTW I don't own a Mac, haven't for years. I game. But not everyone does. Horses for courses.

    James

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    OldER Mycroft

    Not as a boast !!

    My intention was to illustrate my limited experience as only being in a commercial print field with the Apple running as a graphics workstation -
    THAT was meant to limit my experience!

    Titling my post with "You may be right" indicated an admission of resignation to my limited knowledge.

    I fear you have a chip on your shoulder but it most definitely wasn't aggravated by me.

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    A Apple Mac computer is more expensive than a standard Pc computer, but you are limited to just Apple parts.
    It depends what you need from a computer, whether it be good graphics or speed. If you are in the field where you do graphical work then a Apple computer would be your best choice.
    Then again if you do not like the Windows system you can always load on a Linux system onto a standard Pc. You can do this on a Apple mac but the cost will not do it justice.

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    OH Smeg

    Because Apple Computers and PC's are aimed at different sections of the market.

    Computer are tools and as such you should look at your needs and then see what suits your needs best.

    Comparing a $3,000.00 Apple to a $800.00 PC is one possibility which would give skewed results showing that generally speaking the Apple maybe a better hardware choice bit the reality is that at the hardware level both are about the same now that Apple is using Intel CPU's.

    You really need to look at what you require in a computer and then look for what suits your needs better.

    Col

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    Slayer_

    I am the kind of guy that keeps my computers for 12 years or more, and I rely on cheap upgrades to keep it going. With an Apple, your stuck. They expect you just to throw it out and buy a new one.

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    jdclyde

    Because there is such a wide range available.

    You have high end PC's that are bit for bit every bit as good as a mac. there are also a lot of cheap junk pc's. you get what you pay for.

    The one thing you get if you buy a mac, is you can pretend to be trendy based upon your computer choice, but that is a very shallow thought process.

    Get matching specs, and then you can make an honest comparison. Now that Mac is in the intel world, that is much easier to do.

    From there, you have to decide what to run ON the hardware. Heck, most of the mac owners I know all wiped their drives an run linux. For your PC hardware you have windows or linux, depending on your needs.

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    Kingbackwards

    Half a dozen the other.

    Apple has hardware recalls just like the other guys.

    Apple's strong points usually lean to their service, you break something. (other than a screen) They will usually fix it for you. Provided you purchase apple care.

    And apple has stores you can visit to talk to a person in person to deal with your issue.

    And if you compare a PC laptop or desktop of compatible specs/price to a mac you're going to have pretty equivalent hardware.

    After you determine your hardware needs. What you really want to compare is the service on that hardware. If it breaks then what? Who do you call? What do you do?

    Dell and HP are pretty safe bets. But if you get it from "random-computer-store-guy-place-thing" you may not have as much luck and have to talk with manufacturers.

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    LarryD4

    Well I would choose a PC based system and not because it will run Windows.

    A Intel based generic PC will allow you to run almost any operating system, even OS X with a little tweaking.

    I am pretty sure it will be majorly difficult to get Windows to run on a MAC. Yes you can get emulators to do the job but I mean as the sole OS.

    Now Linux distros will run on almost any PC platform thats based on the Intel processor and many others but that wasn't part of the question. I have seen some cases where someone tried to get Linux to install on a MAC, but again major tweaking.

    I really like MACS and the thinking behind them is, make the OS as easy possible for the user. But its their old school, Big Blue, "My hardware, my stuff" mentality that hurts them in this area.

    They have opened up a lot to make USB hardware cross platform capatable, but MACs are MACs and you can only get them fixed by Apple really.

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    HA

    Snuffy09

    I am sooo Anti-Mac. Even the stylish hadware and opensource software selections doesnt make up for the ridiculous operating system. "Think different?" i prefer "crash different". Macs are not immune to viruses either so dont let that sell you. In theory if your doing a lot of image & video editing mac is the way to go. in theory they are supposed to manipulate resources better. i dont believe it. i have never seen a difference if anything i think macs are worse when in comes to crashes do to font and settings issues.

    I am not "racial" about operating systems. I like Linux also (besides Windows).

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    OnTheRopes

    Define standard.<br>
    We just bought an eMachine's PC with XP Home Edition from Walmart for 400 bucks. I expect that even a low end Apple machine will have better hardware.<br>
    My wife has an eMachine that's been running fine for the last 5/6 years with just routine maintenance although it has been upgraded in several areas.

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    OldER Mycroft

    By and large, you can ONLY attach other Apple hardware to an Apple Computer - this rule applies to ancillary equipment AND to internal system upgrades.

    Whereas upgrading a PC can be done using any PC-compatible upgrade from the raft of manufacturers that cater to the PC.

    For example - check out the reults from these 2 Google searches:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=scanner+for+Apple&btnG=Search&meta=

    How many links point straight to Apple?

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=scanner+for+PC&meta=&btnG=Google+Search

    These links point all over the place.

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    OnTheRopes

    Something to dink around with.<br>
    I hope to be running XP for a long, long time.

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    JamesRL

    That was somewhat true in 1985. But since then there have been many manufacturers other than apple whose peripherals work fine with Macs.

    As for your example, HP Canon, Epson, Nikon, Microtek, Umax, Fujitsu, Pentax, Konica Minolta and others all sell scanners and software for the Mac.

    When I did a search on CNet for Mac Printers, I only found 1663 results.

    I remember hearing this lame argument when I was selling Macs twenty years ago. I could then pull out a catalogue with over three thousand listings for third party commerical software, and I'm sure its bigger now.

    The only significant gap for Macs are games. There are many good games available for the Mac, but not every trendy game is available. With the current trend to consoles I'm not sure this makes much difference.

    James

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    OldER Mycroft

    I only ever experienced Apple in a professional graphics workstation environment. Mainly in the commercial print field.

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    JamesRL

    ...except that I ran a newspaper using Macs for typesetting (onto Linotypes for the resolution). And I used Macs for typsetting brouchures for various clients.

    I did colour separations on a Mac 20 years ago, in fact I went to a commercial printing exhibition back then on behalf of a Mac dealer and we sold quite a few units.

    So yeah I know nothing about commerical printing, except it paid some of my bills.

    James

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    OldER Mycroft

    At no point did I suggest that you 'knew nothing'.

    However, now that you've introduced the possibilities ...

    #1 You didn't use Macs for typesetting - the Macs were the vehicle that ran QuarkXpress and QuarkXpress did the actual typesetting, not the Mac.

    #2 You didn't ever do colour separations 'on a Mac' - the colour separations would have been done on an industry-standards scanner (hopefully a rotary chamber scanner, spinning upwards of 10,000 rpm). The Macs would have handled the imposition of the separations, for page make-up and imposition into QuarkXpress or some such other Desktop Publishing software.

    Any introduction of non-scanned spot colours would have been handled 'on a Mac' by the Pantone Colour Matching System, working in tandem with QuarkXpress.

    However, now that we have entered the 21st Century and Apple no longer despises the Intel family of processors, industry-standard producers like Quark and Pantone have all joined the Intel bandwagon and all of the above procedures, once the sole capability of the Apple Mac, can now be produced with equanimity on an equally capable PC.

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    JamesRL

    That since you had experience with Macs, you knew everything. I sold Macs, supported Macs, used Macs for publishing, taught DTP classes on Macs,etc.

    As for typesetting, the software (Quark Xpress) ran on a Mac. And the software can't run on its own, hence, the Mac did the typesetting. Likewise, the Linotype was simply a high end printer that accepted PostScript files directly from the Mac. Since we didn't own one of our own, I would walk into a service bureau, use one of their Macs and chose the Linotype as a printer the same way I would chose a laserwriter.

    The scanner was the input device for the Mac on colour seps. When you draw with a mouse, is the mouse the peripheral or the computer?

    I never said these programs were exclusive to the Mac. In fact I used to work for Corel which for most of its time avoided Macs (long story).

    You said there were few non-Apple peripherals, and used scanners as an example, which clearly was mistaken. Because Apple abandoned both the SCSI bus and the proprietary keboard/mouse bus (ADB) in favour of USB, there are many devices available that work with the addition of a simple driver.

    There are many reasons to buy a Mac, many not to. But lack of peripherals or software isn't one of them.

    BTW I don't own a Mac, haven't for years. I game. But not everyone does. Horses for courses.

    James

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    OldER Mycroft

    Not as a boast !!

    My intention was to illustrate my limited experience as only being in a commercial print field with the Apple running as a graphics workstation -
    THAT was meant to limit my experience!

    Titling my post with "You may be right" indicated an admission of resignation to my limited knowledge.

    I fear you have a chip on your shoulder but it most definitely wasn't aggravated by me.

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    A Apple Mac computer is more expensive than a standard Pc computer, but you are limited to just Apple parts.
    It depends what you need from a computer, whether it be good graphics or speed. If you are in the field where you do graphical work then a Apple computer would be your best choice.
    Then again if you do not like the Windows system you can always load on a Linux system onto a standard Pc. You can do this on a Apple mac but the cost will not do it justice.

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    OH Smeg

    Because Apple Computers and PC's are aimed at different sections of the market.

    Computer are tools and as such you should look at your needs and then see what suits your needs best.

    Comparing a $3,000.00 Apple to a $800.00 PC is one possibility which would give skewed results showing that generally speaking the Apple maybe a better hardware choice bit the reality is that at the hardware level both are about the same now that Apple is using Intel CPU's.

    You really need to look at what you require in a computer and then look for what suits your needs better.

    Col

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    Slayer_

    I am the kind of guy that keeps my computers for 12 years or more, and I rely on cheap upgrades to keep it going. With an Apple, your stuck. They expect you just to throw it out and buy a new one.

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    jdclyde

    Because there is such a wide range available.

    You have high end PC's that are bit for bit every bit as good as a mac. there are also a lot of cheap junk pc's. you get what you pay for.

    The one thing you get if you buy a mac, is you can pretend to be trendy based upon your computer choice, but that is a very shallow thought process.

    Get matching specs, and then you can make an honest comparison. Now that Mac is in the intel world, that is much easier to do.

    From there, you have to decide what to run ON the hardware. Heck, most of the mac owners I know all wiped their drives an run linux. For your PC hardware you have windows or linux, depending on your needs.

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    Kingbackwards

    Half a dozen the other.

    Apple has hardware recalls just like the other guys.

    Apple's strong points usually lean to their service, you break something. (other than a screen) They will usually fix it for you. Provided you purchase apple care.

    And apple has stores you can visit to talk to a person in person to deal with your issue.

    And if you compare a PC laptop or desktop of compatible specs/price to a mac you're going to have pretty equivalent hardware.

    After you determine your hardware needs. What you really want to compare is the service on that hardware. If it breaks then what? Who do you call? What do you do?

    Dell and HP are pretty safe bets. But if you get it from "random-computer-store-guy-place-thing" you may not have as much luck and have to talk with manufacturers.

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    LarryD4

    Well I would choose a PC based system and not because it will run Windows.

    A Intel based generic PC will allow you to run almost any operating system, even OS X with a little tweaking.

    I am pretty sure it will be majorly difficult to get Windows to run on a MAC. Yes you can get emulators to do the job but I mean as the sole OS.

    Now Linux distros will run on almost any PC platform thats based on the Intel processor and many others but that wasn't part of the question. I have seen some cases where someone tried to get Linux to install on a MAC, but again major tweaking.

    I really like MACS and the thinking behind them is, make the OS as easy possible for the user. But its their old school, Big Blue, "My hardware, my stuff" mentality that hurts them in this area.

    They have opened up a lot to make USB hardware cross platform capatable, but MACs are MACs and you can only get them fixed by Apple really.

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    HA

    Snuffy09

    I am sooo Anti-Mac. Even the stylish hadware and opensource software selections doesnt make up for the ridiculous operating system. "Think different?" i prefer "crash different". Macs are not immune to viruses either so dont let that sell you. In theory if your doing a lot of image & video editing mac is the way to go. in theory they are supposed to manipulate resources better. i dont believe it. i have never seen a difference if anything i think macs are worse when in comes to crashes do to font and settings issues.

    I am not "racial" about operating systems. I like Linux also (besides Windows).