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Why Dell only sells Microsoft windows hardware?

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Why Dell only sells Microsoft windows hardware?

achurcheh
Background:
Recently, I visited an Apple store in a Detroit suburb, I bought my apple mini there, I like it. On this day I would say about 100 folks were looking, trying out, and buying, about 30 Apple associates were selling, over a 130 folk milling around in a normal retail space, very little room. As I exited with my purchase, I turned left for no reason and quickly came upon a Dell sales display, one sales clerk. I engaged the friendly clerk, I did not tell him I bought my apple because of a poor dell experience. I did ask him if Dell would sell me a laptop that would dual boot windows and linux or just linux. He said no. I would have considered a response that such a machine would require a premium price. I sat down
near the display in the thirty minutes I waited I never saw anyone stop at the Dell display, the maul was packed with shoppers.

Question:
Can Dell/HP sell linux workstations, if : they still pay Microsoft a fee for OS, and they charge the customer a support fee for a Zero-cost linux OS?
What am I missing about selling hardware?
I have heard that "shipping & handling" contains all the profit margin in a hardware sale, correct?
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    OH Smeg

    That the big makers have not to sell, supply or support any form of Nix over Windows.

    Paying M$ a License Fee for not supplying Windows isn't an Option for most of these people as they are tied up with M$ so tightly that there is no way around this for them.

    Col

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    Dude, Dell does indeed sell Linux capable hardware, I've even seen a few online
    ads for Ubuntu preinstalled. Why did you even bother posting this as a question,
    since the answer is not what you want to hear anyhow.
    I don't defend Dell, HP, Acer, etc, they make their own decisions as to which OSes
    to install and support. IMO, Col was too nice on this one, and the thought of marking
    your Q&A as spam has entered my mind, but I didn't.
    A little research can go a long way...besides, you weren't interested in purchasing
    anything at the Dell store were you? Just looking for a place to say "Look at me,
    I bought a Mac!" Go practice your OS religion somewhere else, like the Apple forums.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    Dell was the first of the major mfgrs who offered Linux or Windows way back when Red Hat was about to go public. 1997 or 1998? You could order either or but not both. Although I am not certain, I do believe you can still purchase the servers with Linux pre-installed.

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    markp24

    there are articles about the Dell xps 13 ultra book coming out with a Linux version on it for developers. (i do not defend dell, but you have to be fair , as all the other responses say, just do an internet search or go to dells website.)

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    Ambrose3987

    If you search Dell's website for "linux", you do get hits which give the impression that you can customize the order for a system to have Linux pre-installed. But, if you actually try to customize an order on their website to choose pre-installed Linux, you'll find it's impossible.

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    pcrx_greg

    I know that HP does indeed sell business models of their laptops, desktops and workstations with a choice of OS. They do this in order to accomodate businesses, governmental organizations and schools that use alternate operating systems in their organization. HP offers both Free Linux or Free DOS. On the consumer laptops and desktops HP only offers Windows so they only have to support a single OS.

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    xmechanic

    Dell only supports linux on their server line, and then only Red Hat Enterprise and Suse. They did have a program a few years ago where they were shipping some desktops and laptops with Ubuntu, but they got so much flak from Microsoft, that they finally dropped it. MS truly has a strangle-hold on the manufacturers for desktop OS priority. As for markp24's comment, I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening anytime soon, and if it does, it will most likely be a short-term offering. If you want an alternative OS, you either have to buy Mac, build your own, or wait for the warranty to run out on your current box and then install whatever you want.

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    bzh10136

    If you ask a Dell Rep to quote the Lattitude or Optiplex you can get Linux. Of course you cant get it on the consumer products.

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    dldorrance

    This is a no brainer. Boot the Windows computer with a Linux live CD; you will be given a choice to erase Windows or dual boot the Linux along with the Windows. Choose the latter; subsequently when you boot the Dell you will be asked to choose which operating system to load.

    Second option: Erase the Windows and boot from the Linux live CD to load Linux as the only OS on the computer.

    Third option. Keep the Windows, download a Virtual Machine Program which runs in Windows and load Linux into the virtual machine. This is how Windows 7 works in "Windows XP mode".

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    Dude, Dell does indeed sell Linux capable hardware, I've even seen a few online
    ads for Ubuntu preinstalled. Why did you even bother posting this as a question,
    since the answer is not what you want to hear anyhow.
    I don't defend Dell, HP, Acer, etc, they make their own decisions as to which OSes
    to install and support. IMO, Col was too nice on this one, and the thought of marking
    your Q&A as spam has entered my mind, but I didn't.
    A little research can go a long way...besides, you weren't interested in purchasing
    anything at the Dell store were you? Just looking for a place to say "Look at me,
    I bought a Mac!" Go practice your OS religion somewhere else, like the Apple forums.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    Dell was the first of the major mfgrs who offered Linux or Windows way back when Red Hat was about to go public. 1997 or 1998? You could order either or but not both. Although I am not certain, I do believe you can still purchase the servers with Linux pre-installed.

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    markp24

    there are articles about the Dell xps 13 ultra book coming out with a Linux version on it for developers. (i do not defend dell, but you have to be fair , as all the other responses say, just do an internet search or go to dells website.)

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    pcrx_greg

    I know that HP does indeed sell business models of their laptops, desktops and workstations with a choice of OS. They do this in order to accomodate businesses, governmental organizations and schools that use alternate operating systems in their organization. HP offers both Free Linux or Free DOS. On the consumer laptops and desktops HP only offers Windows so they only have to support a single OS.

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    xmechanic

    Dell only supports linux on their server line, and then only Red Hat Enterprise and Suse. They did have a program a few years ago where they were shipping some desktops and laptops with Ubuntu, but they got so much flak from Microsoft, that they finally dropped it. MS truly has a strangle-hold on the manufacturers for desktop OS priority. As for markp24's comment, I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening anytime soon, and if it does, it will most likely be a short-term offering. If you want an alternative OS, you either have to buy Mac, build your own, or wait for the warranty to run out on your current box and then install whatever you want.

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    bzh10136

    If you ask a Dell Rep to quote the Lattitude or Optiplex you can get Linux. Of course you cant get it on the consumer products.

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    dldorrance

    This is a no brainer. Boot the Windows computer with a Linux live CD; you will be given a choice to erase Windows or dual boot the Linux along with the Windows. Choose the latter; subsequently when you boot the Dell you will be asked to choose which operating system to load.

    Second option: Erase the Windows and boot from the Linux live CD to load Linux as the only OS on the computer.

    Third option. Keep the Windows, download a Virtual Machine Program which runs in Windows and load Linux into the virtual machine. This is how Windows 7 works in "Windows XP mode".

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    OH Smeg

    That the big makers have not to sell, supply or support any form of Nix over Windows.

    Paying M$ a License Fee for not supplying Windows isn't an Option for most of these people as they are tied up with M$ so tightly that there is no way around this for them.

    Col

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    Dude, Dell does indeed sell Linux capable hardware, I've even seen a few online
    ads for Ubuntu preinstalled. Why did you even bother posting this as a question,
    since the answer is not what you want to hear anyhow.
    I don't defend Dell, HP, Acer, etc, they make their own decisions as to which OSes
    to install and support. IMO, Col was too nice on this one, and the thought of marking
    your Q&A as spam has entered my mind, but I didn't.
    A little research can go a long way...besides, you weren't interested in purchasing
    anything at the Dell store were you? Just looking for a place to say "Look at me,
    I bought a Mac!" Go practice your OS religion somewhere else, like the Apple forums.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    Dell was the first of the major mfgrs who offered Linux or Windows way back when Red Hat was about to go public. 1997 or 1998? You could order either or but not both. Although I am not certain, I do believe you can still purchase the servers with Linux pre-installed.

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    markp24

    there are articles about the Dell xps 13 ultra book coming out with a Linux version on it for developers. (i do not defend dell, but you have to be fair , as all the other responses say, just do an internet search or go to dells website.)

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    Ambrose3987

    If you search Dell's website for "linux", you do get hits which give the impression that you can customize the order for a system to have Linux pre-installed. But, if you actually try to customize an order on their website to choose pre-installed Linux, you'll find it's impossible.

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    pcrx_greg

    I know that HP does indeed sell business models of their laptops, desktops and workstations with a choice of OS. They do this in order to accomodate businesses, governmental organizations and schools that use alternate operating systems in their organization. HP offers both Free Linux or Free DOS. On the consumer laptops and desktops HP only offers Windows so they only have to support a single OS.

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    xmechanic

    Dell only supports linux on their server line, and then only Red Hat Enterprise and Suse. They did have a program a few years ago where they were shipping some desktops and laptops with Ubuntu, but they got so much flak from Microsoft, that they finally dropped it. MS truly has a strangle-hold on the manufacturers for desktop OS priority. As for markp24's comment, I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening anytime soon, and if it does, it will most likely be a short-term offering. If you want an alternative OS, you either have to buy Mac, build your own, or wait for the warranty to run out on your current box and then install whatever you want.

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    bzh10136

    If you ask a Dell Rep to quote the Lattitude or Optiplex you can get Linux. Of course you cant get it on the consumer products.

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    dldorrance

    This is a no brainer. Boot the Windows computer with a Linux live CD; you will be given a choice to erase Windows or dual boot the Linux along with the Windows. Choose the latter; subsequently when you boot the Dell you will be asked to choose which operating system to load.

    Second option: Erase the Windows and boot from the Linux live CD to load Linux as the only OS on the computer.

    Third option. Keep the Windows, download a Virtual Machine Program which runs in Windows and load Linux into the virtual machine. This is how Windows 7 works in "Windows XP mode".

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    1 Votes

    Dude, Dell does indeed sell Linux capable hardware, I've even seen a few online
    ads for Ubuntu preinstalled. Why did you even bother posting this as a question,
    since the answer is not what you want to hear anyhow.
    I don't defend Dell, HP, Acer, etc, they make their own decisions as to which OSes
    to install and support. IMO, Col was too nice on this one, and the thought of marking
    your Q&A as spam has entered my mind, but I didn't.
    A little research can go a long way...besides, you weren't interested in purchasing
    anything at the Dell store were you? Just looking for a place to say "Look at me,
    I bought a Mac!" Go practice your OS religion somewhere else, like the Apple forums.

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    SmartAceW0LF

    Dell was the first of the major mfgrs who offered Linux or Windows way back when Red Hat was about to go public. 1997 or 1998? You could order either or but not both. Although I am not certain, I do believe you can still purchase the servers with Linux pre-installed.

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    markp24

    there are articles about the Dell xps 13 ultra book coming out with a Linux version on it for developers. (i do not defend dell, but you have to be fair , as all the other responses say, just do an internet search or go to dells website.)

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    pcrx_greg

    I know that HP does indeed sell business models of their laptops, desktops and workstations with a choice of OS. They do this in order to accomodate businesses, governmental organizations and schools that use alternate operating systems in their organization. HP offers both Free Linux or Free DOS. On the consumer laptops and desktops HP only offers Windows so they only have to support a single OS.

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    xmechanic

    Dell only supports linux on their server line, and then only Red Hat Enterprise and Suse. They did have a program a few years ago where they were shipping some desktops and laptops with Ubuntu, but they got so much flak from Microsoft, that they finally dropped it. MS truly has a strangle-hold on the manufacturers for desktop OS priority. As for markp24's comment, I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening anytime soon, and if it does, it will most likely be a short-term offering. If you want an alternative OS, you either have to buy Mac, build your own, or wait for the warranty to run out on your current box and then install whatever you want.

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    bzh10136

    If you ask a Dell Rep to quote the Lattitude or Optiplex you can get Linux. Of course you cant get it on the consumer products.

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    0 Votes
    dldorrance

    This is a no brainer. Boot the Windows computer with a Linux live CD; you will be given a choice to erase Windows or dual boot the Linux along with the Windows. Choose the latter; subsequently when you boot the Dell you will be asked to choose which operating system to load.

    Second option: Erase the Windows and boot from the Linux live CD to load Linux as the only OS on the computer.

    Third option. Keep the Windows, download a Virtual Machine Program which runs in Windows and load Linux into the virtual machine. This is how Windows 7 works in "Windows XP mode".