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Windows 95 CD wont boot?

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Windows 95 CD wont boot?

Tyharo
I bought a windows 95 CD on eBay a few days ago. I want to install it on an old laptop of mine that use to have vista but now has ubuntu on it. I complete formatted the drive so there's nothing on it. I put the CD in and set the boot order to go to the CD drive first. When i reboot the bios says there is no media and no operating system. I hear the CD drive spin up but the installation never starts.
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    Slayer_

    You need to use a bootable floppy.
    http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm

    Insure FDISK is on this thing. You will need to make a partition manually.

    Next, you will need to make sure you have no more than 512MB of RAM
    Next, depending on if you have 95B or 95C. You will have to make several small partitions, or up to 32 gigs of space for FAT32. If your drive is larger than 32Gigs, only 32 will be usable, even if you partition it.

    After using fdisk, booting the floppy, it will probably make a CD drive called R:
    type R:\Setup
    This should launch the setup for Windows 95. Follow the prompts.
    You may need to set your BIOS to a compatibility mode, which usually slows timing and removes hardware BIOS shadowing. You can re-enable optimum mode after you are done installing.
    If you are using Win95B, you may not support FAT32, only FAT16, and therefore will need convert it to FAT32 after it is installed (there will be a tool in your start menu to do this)

    Good luck finding drivers for your hardware.

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    Tyharo

    I downloaded the boot floppy, do i burn it to a cd?

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    Tyharo

    First of all, this laptop does not have fdisk but i was able to make a partition using a windows xp CD. How would I boot the floppy?

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    Slayer_

    It has to be a floppy disk, and it has to be fdisk from Windows 95 (preferable version C, giving you access to FAT32, or from Windows 98 will work as well)

    The ONLY other way to do it, is to install DOS 4 or 5 or 6. Once you have DOS installed (You WILL be stuck with FAT16 like this) you can read from the CD.
    It is not necessary to copy the cab files as someone else suggested, the CD will have a setup.exe.

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    LeonBA

    No, you would boot from floppy disk (either built-in, if your laptop has a built-in floppy drive, or from a USB floppy drive). Then you would use fdisk on the floppy to create the partitions you want, format the hard drive, create C:\Windows\options\cabs, copy the contents of the CD's cabs folder to that location, then run setup.exe from C:\windows\options\cabs.

    Also, you might want to put the Windows CD in another computer and make sure you can read it. It's always possible the CD has suffered bit rot over the years. If it's unreadable, email me (lordpeyre at yahoo.com) and I'll see what I can do to help.

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    Tyharo

    I dont have a floppy drive or any floppy disks. The CD is fine and has everything needed for a windows 95 setup.

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    OH Smeg

    Required a Floppy Disc to make it usable.

    Those Install Disc's never booted directly they always used a Floppy to start the Install process.

    If you want to use 95 you need a Floppy Drive to start the Install Sequence.

    Col

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    Walter Bishop

    it used a boot floppy emulation
    it would boot to DOS mode and get assigned A:
    and only 1.45 MB of data was visible
    and it was the same contents as on the 98 boot floppy

    when you boot with CDROM support
    you still got A: and the rest of the CD was available at the CD-ROM Drive letter
    usually D:, E: or higher depending on installed HDs and whether or not they were partitioned into multiple drives

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    Slayer_

    I used to use a 98 disk to start the install for 95. Just leave the disk in until it had loaded the drivers, then swap the CD's. Made it lots easier.

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    therealjunkman

    Follow that advice as he (she?) is exactly right. Yes, Win 98 was the first to boot directly, AS A general rule. But I know of SOME Win 95 OEM disks that were bootable, (Usually into a repair type option), and at least one LATE Win 95 disk version that would, but it was after the OSR2... With USB support, & FAT 32 support. Some early Win 95 versions only supported Fat 16... And trust us, you do not want that one! ("Normal" Floppies are Fat 12, BTW) A far better option would be at LEAST Win 98se, at a minimum... Why Win 95? Almost nothing works with it now. Or even better, a Linux distro intended for older hardware. There are many, but one of my personal favorites for older (vintage!) Hardware is Puppy Linux. It won't give you a lot of the bells and whistles, but it WILL work with more modern OS'es (in networking) on other machines, and a combination of old and newer hardware, like, your old laptop, and a webcam built yesterday morning! It also can read, and write, to a wider variety of disk file types. Win 95 can read and write, depending on version, only fat 16 or that and fat 32. (And floppies, which as I said, are Fat 12) But that's it. NO NT! Anything written by a later OS, like Win XP or later, won't show up.

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    Slayer_

    The way Windows handles networks, Windows 95 CAN read a NTFS drive if its on a networked machine. I do it all the time, I still have a windows 95 computer running and in active use.

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    seanferd

    With the rare OEM exception (best bet revision C, but it may only install on the machine for which it is intended), no 95 CD is bootable. Get a USB floppy drive if you are serious about trying. You may have better luck installing it in a VM.

    It is unlikely that there will be drivers for your hardware, you will not be able to run modern apps, - heck, it probably won't even support your processor. You probably need a 486 or early Pentium. A Vista machine is not nearly old enough.

    You can try installing a free DOS which can be installed from CD, then run the Win95 setup from the installed DOS.
    http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/
    http://www.google.com/search?q=free+dos+bootable+install+CD

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    Slayer_

    As long as his processor is single core and a traditional Intel or AMD, it will work.

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    Slayer_

    I had 95 running on a 2.6 GHZ processor, it hauled *** :). Actually had drivers for it too, back then, nVidia made drivers (5200, the a 6600) for 95 still. Had a typical soundblaster card, so had drivers again. It was really wicked playing some of those old games. I remember trying games like Populous, and casting several spells at once ripping the planet apart, and watching as how smooth it ran as the particle effects sprayed, the screen shook, the people ran and died.

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    Tyharo

    I bought a $7 usb floppy drive and i think I have a few floppys laying around some where. So all I have to do is put the windows 95 bootdisk SinisterSlay mentioned on it then boot from it, would it even have a boot option since its external?, and have the windows 95 CD in the computer at the same time to boot?

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    Slayer_

    You need to find drivers, I recall you saying this was a laptop, so your chances are even slimmer.

    And even if you are successful, what do you intend to use this machine for? Windows 95 gets a virus the moments after you hook it up to the net, there are so many viruses still in the wild for it. Last I read, only Avast worked on Win95, and its iffy and kills performance. Only Opera Browser version 8 worked on Win95. I can get you a download of IE5.5SP2. If you have version C of 95, it should include IE4 on the disk, installing that will allow you to do the desktop update. Which will give you almost all the visual functionality as Windows 98.

    So no drivers, no virus scanners, no usable browsers.

    So unless you are intending to play some legacy games on this (nVidia and ATI both maintain their old driver websites, so you might get lucky) it will be a useless machine.

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    Tyharo

    Its for me to be able to play some old games and mess with the OS a little, I'm mainly concerned about the installing the OS. How would I put something on the floppy? Do I need a program or is it just a drag and drop? Ive never had any use for a floppy before.

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    Slayer_

    The downloads that we gave you, should be installers, they will ask for a floppy disk (usually Drive A) and they will automatically format it properly.
    You will then need to go into your BIOS and make the changes.

    But you said this is a vista laptop, that means you probably have a least a duel core processor and at least a gig of RAM. Both make it impossible to run windows 95 on bare hardware.

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    Spitfire_Sysop

    Get with the times. You need virtualization. Use DOSBox to run old DOS games in Win7:
    http://www.dosbox.com/

    If the games are not DOS games and you REALLY need Win95 then you might want to try installing Win95 in a VirtualBox:
    http://www.virtualbox.org/

    You can actually boot in to any DOS boot CD that has CD-ROM drivers like PC-DOS and then run the Win95 setup but it just won't run on modern hardware. You need an old computer too. Not sure what this laptop is but virtualization will be easier every time.

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    Tyharo

    The laptop is an old acer aspire single core with 1 gb ram (2 sticks) so i would be able to lower the ram and it should run just fine.

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    Slayer_

    Drop down to 512 and you might get basic functionality.

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    Slayer_

    You need to use a bootable floppy.
    http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm

    Insure FDISK is on this thing. You will need to make a partition manually.

    Next, you will need to make sure you have no more than 512MB of RAM
    Next, depending on if you have 95B or 95C. You will have to make several small partitions, or up to 32 gigs of space for FAT32. If your drive is larger than 32Gigs, only 32 will be usable, even if you partition it.

    After using fdisk, booting the floppy, it will probably make a CD drive called R:
    type R:\Setup
    This should launch the setup for Windows 95. Follow the prompts.
    You may need to set your BIOS to a compatibility mode, which usually slows timing and removes hardware BIOS shadowing. You can re-enable optimum mode after you are done installing.
    If you are using Win95B, you may not support FAT32, only FAT16, and therefore will need convert it to FAT32 after it is installed (there will be a tool in your start menu to do this)

    Good luck finding drivers for your hardware.

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    Tyharo

    I downloaded the boot floppy, do i burn it to a cd?

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    Tyharo

    First of all, this laptop does not have fdisk but i was able to make a partition using a windows xp CD. How would I boot the floppy?

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    Slayer_

    It has to be a floppy disk, and it has to be fdisk from Windows 95 (preferable version C, giving you access to FAT32, or from Windows 98 will work as well)

    The ONLY other way to do it, is to install DOS 4 or 5 or 6. Once you have DOS installed (You WILL be stuck with FAT16 like this) you can read from the CD.
    It is not necessary to copy the cab files as someone else suggested, the CD will have a setup.exe.

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    LeonBA

    No, you would boot from floppy disk (either built-in, if your laptop has a built-in floppy drive, or from a USB floppy drive). Then you would use fdisk on the floppy to create the partitions you want, format the hard drive, create C:\Windows\options\cabs, copy the contents of the CD's cabs folder to that location, then run setup.exe from C:\windows\options\cabs.

    Also, you might want to put the Windows CD in another computer and make sure you can read it. It's always possible the CD has suffered bit rot over the years. If it's unreadable, email me (lordpeyre at yahoo.com) and I'll see what I can do to help.

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    Tyharo

    I dont have a floppy drive or any floppy disks. The CD is fine and has everything needed for a windows 95 setup.

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    OH Smeg

    Required a Floppy Disc to make it usable.

    Those Install Disc's never booted directly they always used a Floppy to start the Install process.

    If you want to use 95 you need a Floppy Drive to start the Install Sequence.

    Col

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    Walter Bishop

    it used a boot floppy emulation
    it would boot to DOS mode and get assigned A:
    and only 1.45 MB of data was visible
    and it was the same contents as on the 98 boot floppy

    when you boot with CDROM support
    you still got A: and the rest of the CD was available at the CD-ROM Drive letter
    usually D:, E: or higher depending on installed HDs and whether or not they were partitioned into multiple drives

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    Slayer_

    I used to use a 98 disk to start the install for 95. Just leave the disk in until it had loaded the drivers, then swap the CD's. Made it lots easier.

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    therealjunkman

    Follow that advice as he (she?) is exactly right. Yes, Win 98 was the first to boot directly, AS A general rule. But I know of SOME Win 95 OEM disks that were bootable, (Usually into a repair type option), and at least one LATE Win 95 disk version that would, but it was after the OSR2... With USB support, & FAT 32 support. Some early Win 95 versions only supported Fat 16... And trust us, you do not want that one! ("Normal" Floppies are Fat 12, BTW) A far better option would be at LEAST Win 98se, at a minimum... Why Win 95? Almost nothing works with it now. Or even better, a Linux distro intended for older hardware. There are many, but one of my personal favorites for older (vintage!) Hardware is Puppy Linux. It won't give you a lot of the bells and whistles, but it WILL work with more modern OS'es (in networking) on other machines, and a combination of old and newer hardware, like, your old laptop, and a webcam built yesterday morning! It also can read, and write, to a wider variety of disk file types. Win 95 can read and write, depending on version, only fat 16 or that and fat 32. (And floppies, which as I said, are Fat 12) But that's it. NO NT! Anything written by a later OS, like Win XP or later, won't show up.

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    Slayer_

    The way Windows handles networks, Windows 95 CAN read a NTFS drive if its on a networked machine. I do it all the time, I still have a windows 95 computer running and in active use.

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    seanferd

    With the rare OEM exception (best bet revision C, but it may only install on the machine for which it is intended), no 95 CD is bootable. Get a USB floppy drive if you are serious about trying. You may have better luck installing it in a VM.

    It is unlikely that there will be drivers for your hardware, you will not be able to run modern apps, - heck, it probably won't even support your processor. You probably need a 486 or early Pentium. A Vista machine is not nearly old enough.

    You can try installing a free DOS which can be installed from CD, then run the Win95 setup from the installed DOS.
    http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/
    http://www.google.com/search?q=free+dos+bootable+install+CD

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    Slayer_

    As long as his processor is single core and a traditional Intel or AMD, it will work.

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    Slayer_

    I had 95 running on a 2.6 GHZ processor, it hauled *** :). Actually had drivers for it too, back then, nVidia made drivers (5200, the a 6600) for 95 still. Had a typical soundblaster card, so had drivers again. It was really wicked playing some of those old games. I remember trying games like Populous, and casting several spells at once ripping the planet apart, and watching as how smooth it ran as the particle effects sprayed, the screen shook, the people ran and died.

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    Tyharo

    I bought a $7 usb floppy drive and i think I have a few floppys laying around some where. So all I have to do is put the windows 95 bootdisk SinisterSlay mentioned on it then boot from it, would it even have a boot option since its external?, and have the windows 95 CD in the computer at the same time to boot?

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    Slayer_

    You need to find drivers, I recall you saying this was a laptop, so your chances are even slimmer.

    And even if you are successful, what do you intend to use this machine for? Windows 95 gets a virus the moments after you hook it up to the net, there are so many viruses still in the wild for it. Last I read, only Avast worked on Win95, and its iffy and kills performance. Only Opera Browser version 8 worked on Win95. I can get you a download of IE5.5SP2. If you have version C of 95, it should include IE4 on the disk, installing that will allow you to do the desktop update. Which will give you almost all the visual functionality as Windows 98.

    So no drivers, no virus scanners, no usable browsers.

    So unless you are intending to play some legacy games on this (nVidia and ATI both maintain their old driver websites, so you might get lucky) it will be a useless machine.

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    Tyharo

    Its for me to be able to play some old games and mess with the OS a little, I'm mainly concerned about the installing the OS. How would I put something on the floppy? Do I need a program or is it just a drag and drop? Ive never had any use for a floppy before.

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    Slayer_

    The downloads that we gave you, should be installers, they will ask for a floppy disk (usually Drive A) and they will automatically format it properly.
    You will then need to go into your BIOS and make the changes.

    But you said this is a vista laptop, that means you probably have a least a duel core processor and at least a gig of RAM. Both make it impossible to run windows 95 on bare hardware.

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    Spitfire_Sysop

    Get with the times. You need virtualization. Use DOSBox to run old DOS games in Win7:
    http://www.dosbox.com/

    If the games are not DOS games and you REALLY need Win95 then you might want to try installing Win95 in a VirtualBox:
    http://www.virtualbox.org/

    You can actually boot in to any DOS boot CD that has CD-ROM drivers like PC-DOS and then run the Win95 setup but it just won't run on modern hardware. You need an old computer too. Not sure what this laptop is but virtualization will be easier every time.

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    Tyharo

    The laptop is an old acer aspire single core with 1 gb ram (2 sticks) so i would be able to lower the ram and it should run just fine.

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    Slayer_

    Drop down to 512 and you might get basic functionality.