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Always a lovely off-topic issue: an internet harasser

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Always a lovely off-topic issue: an internet harasser

jck
OK...so...here's the story:

Years ago, I started playing a game. In that game, there was a guy who was a real...well, let's just say he was an arrogant kid who had all day to sit around in his mom's house, eat pizza and play games. He started a tiff with me, and picked at me for years.

Well in said game, I had made a lot of in-game friends (a few of whom are friends in real life now). One day after deciding I needed to be killed in-game for something (my toons were always gimp...i never exhaustively worked to be "uber"...he picked at me because of that), one of my buddies (who was a gaming god) came in and wiped him up in his own city in the game...over and over...for being an arrogant punk...and this made him mad to no end.

Well, it'd be fine and dandy if he had matured and left it alone and forgot about it. This all happened 4-5 years ago. But since then, he and I still use the same Ventrilo server and I have to put up with the constant "I hope you die" and other incessant poking-at from him. I've talked to one of the guys who runs it, and they say "you need to work it out with him" and my reply was "i put him on perma-mute now...i don't need to work with him".

I've also ran into signing-up for other games that anytime his character names are registered, all the names that I used that he knew of (from the original game we both played) are registered as well. To me, this seems like he's harassing me constantly with little things such as this.

Even others who are around have said "I'm surprised he hasn't matured by now." about him, and I'm getting sick of it. I've gathered enough data about him to know his name and that he lives in Canada (from what other people have said about him in passing in Vent).

Is there any recourse, if I can get the proof that emails he uses are what is tying up account names, for me to pursue harassment against him if he is in Canada?

To be honest, I'm not knowledgable about Canadian law. But, I'd love to win some sort of injunction against him that bars him from contact with me including through electronically means. In the United States, I could just gather enough proof then file in court and show that he has persistently gone and done things to harass me...and be awarded a court order. But, I'm not sure what to do in Canada.

So...anyone in Canada have any ideas? Anyone ever had to deal with this before?
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    PurpleSkys Moderator

    http://www.google.ca/search?q=cyber+bullying+laws+in+canada&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&redir_esc=&ei=1VFmTrqnNYfu0gGZqq32CQ

    there are law in Canada against it...that's a quick google search. I'm not possitive, but I think there have been cases where the said bully has had their internet connections removed.

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    jck

    If I can prove he's registered my gaming nickname with all sorts of games, and I get get several long-time gamers I know to state I was the original one using that name in 2004 (I've only been the only one I've ever seen use that nickname in a game)...and vouch that he's tried to stir the pot with me for 5 years now...I may well do that...plus see if I can sue him for harassment and make him/his parents fork up a bunch of money.

    Perhaps the courts there would discipline him more than his parents.

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    Slayer_

    It might be easier to just change your online identity.

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    jck

    That's the gaming identity that dozens of people know me by. People see that nick in a game, they're likely to message it thinking it's me.

    God knows he's probably purposefully used it to try and give me a bad reputation.

    I had an easier solution. I have a friend who's a biker in Ohio. He's already offered to ride up with some friends and have a "come to Jesus" talk with him.

    But, I'd prefer to get him legally. First thing is to request email identities from the game hosts and see if they all match. If so, that's grounds to go further and subpoena the registration info.

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    Slayer_

    The best you could maybe get is an IP address which would likely be stale by now.

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    jck

    But if a new game comes out and he does it there, the data would be more fresh.

    Plus, I know some email providers get the IP info and keep it with the registering email. By process, they can show the subnet that was in use for his area then. Then, it's a matter of showing he's the only person in that area who knows of me.

    But, who knows. He's a snotty kid who pokes at me. I'm going to talk to the guy who runs the forum site and the Ventrilo server. I'm personal friends with him, and I'm gonna ask him to talk to the guy and tell him to stop it.

    I don't care if he doesn't like me, but I don't have to put up with insulting commentary.

    I've just read most of the Criminal Code of Canada dealing with it, and if I prove he's been doing it for years, I can get him imprisoned for up to 10 years and told never to make contact directly or through any other means with me ever again and fined.

    Evidently, Canada has firm laws in place about this. I'm about to take full advantage of them.

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    Slayer_

    Your friend should be getting a log of users for his Ventrillo.

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    jck

    He might want to do that though. He might be worried about privacy concerns.

    I'll see what he says. I sent him a message last night.

    If he doesn't help, I might file a complaint with his Ventrilo host and have a server admin come in and listen to it and record it.

    Then, I'll have the hosting company backing up my claim.

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    AV .

    Its really their job to deal with abusive people on their site. Don't they have some kind of end user agreement that you need to agree to before you can be active on the site? Something that includes abusive behavior will not be tolerated? If not, they should consider it.

    If you do get the IP info, its likely to be a dynamic IP address, but you could find out who hosts his internet service. Most ISPs have an email address to report abuse. Check out their whois record. ISPs will investigate it and respond to you. They have a record of all of his internet activities, in detail, but you would need a lawyer to get it. That's how I've seen it work in the US.

    AV

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    AnsuGisalas

    You may know who I'm talking about.

    Keep your wits about you.

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    seanferd

    A cyber-injunction would be a hilarious idea. But I don't know - there was a fellow just sent in for mental health treatment by the Canadian legal system after repeated complaints. It only took twenty years*, and finally a Twitter campaign and an effective DOSing of the Montreal cop's email system. (Well, it was only like 3000-odd emails, but this purportedly caused some sort of problem.)

    *Actually, that is roughly how long this guy had been annoying newsgroups, fora, email recipients, and comment threads with his insanity, which became more threatening as time wore on.

    So, good luck with that. I hope the system ops and/or the law will work for you.

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    jck

    He wouldn't send me a message in-game, because he knows it's out of his control there. That's why he makes comments in the Vent. And, he makes comments on the group forums. Some of his buddies administrate the sites and could help erase stuff.

    It's why I went to the head guy who owns the ventrilo we use, and the website where the forums are. I asked him to tell the guy to stop.

    If that doesn't help, I'm gonna log everything, record Vent sessions to get that, then I'm gonna submit it to the Canadian government and file a complaint against him and subpoena people in the US and Canada that have been witness to it.

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    JamesRL

    My clan runs a vent server to complement our game server. We have the same rules for it as we do in game. If any of the admins heard stuff like that, we would bring it to the clan council, and decide what to do, and doubtless if that kind of thing happened on our box, we would not just ban him from vent but from our game server as well. And we share our ban lists with others, so then there would be a dozen servers he couldn't use.

    We did have instant ban rules. Say something racist, instant ban, for example.

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    jck

    He's the head guy from our Nation/Clan/Group. He's been kinda distant for a year or so, since he got in a serious relationship. But, I tried talking sense to him.

    But if he won't help, I am going to just compile everything I can on the guy. Then when I do confirm he lives in Canada (have concrete proof of his identity, ISP, etc), I'm going to file with the Canadian government.

    I might **** off some people going that far, but none of them see to want to upset me or him. But the fact is, he's the one breaking the law. And, that means I have the right to have the law go after him since he's been doing this for years.

    Maybe I'll come play with you guys whatever you play. I get sick of being harassed by an idiot, and then the others just kind of go "oh well".

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    JamesRL

    When Battlefield 3 comes out, we will be back.

    Right now I'm playing World of Tanks till then, as are some of our clanmates. Its free and fun.

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    jck

    I do World of Tanks too, but I use the European server. That's where most of my old teammates are from.

    If you're on the EU server, let me know. I'll get you my info.

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    JamesRL

    So I'm on the NA server. I think you can still add me - Myhopesanddreams, as in "You killed myhopesanddreams".

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    seanferd

    Doesn't get the warning of a banhammer because his buddies are the sysops or mods. Fantastic.

    Still, good luck with whatever you choose to do.

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    JamesRL

    For not being consistent.

    Its a tough decision, and it cost the clan his dontation, but our clan was dedicated to a set of principles and one of the admins was not.

    I will admit, I've been a a pain to other admins on other servers who don't consistently enforce the rules. I've even been kicked for complaining/whining. I would find another server.

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    JamesRL

    Its not graphically demanding or as great graphics as some games. But it can run on older HW.

    You start off in a crummy pre WWII tank, and by playing 15 minute capture the flag games, you get points. You use the points to upgrade your tank or buy a new tank one tier above yours. You can play a number of different tanks, tank destroyers and molbile artillery. There are nine tiers, and it gets harder to jump to the next level every time. There is a matchmaking system to try and ensure you are in an even match, but its not perfect. You can join your friends and platoon working together in a game.

    Its free. You can buy a premium account and get some advantages, but if you are patient you don't need to. There are forums where the game is discussed.

    There are a dozen or so maps, but because of the need for matching making, its random which one you get. Some maps favour certain types of tanks or tactics.

    Overall I find it addictive and fun and free. It is frustrating at first till you figure out the gameplay, the modelling of tanks is far more complex thatn in CoD or Battlefield. And there are a huge number of tanks to play.

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    PurpleSkys Moderator

    http://www.google.ca/search?q=cyber+bullying+laws+in+canada&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&redir_esc=&ei=1VFmTrqnNYfu0gGZqq32CQ

    there are law in Canada against it...that's a quick google search. I'm not possitive, but I think there have been cases where the said bully has had their internet connections removed.

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    jck

    If I can prove he's registered my gaming nickname with all sorts of games, and I get get several long-time gamers I know to state I was the original one using that name in 2004 (I've only been the only one I've ever seen use that nickname in a game)...and vouch that he's tried to stir the pot with me for 5 years now...I may well do that...plus see if I can sue him for harassment and make him/his parents fork up a bunch of money.

    Perhaps the courts there would discipline him more than his parents.

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    Slayer_

    It might be easier to just change your online identity.

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    jck

    That's the gaming identity that dozens of people know me by. People see that nick in a game, they're likely to message it thinking it's me.

    God knows he's probably purposefully used it to try and give me a bad reputation.

    I had an easier solution. I have a friend who's a biker in Ohio. He's already offered to ride up with some friends and have a "come to Jesus" talk with him.

    But, I'd prefer to get him legally. First thing is to request email identities from the game hosts and see if they all match. If so, that's grounds to go further and subpoena the registration info.

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    Slayer_

    The best you could maybe get is an IP address which would likely be stale by now.

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    jck

    But if a new game comes out and he does it there, the data would be more fresh.

    Plus, I know some email providers get the IP info and keep it with the registering email. By process, they can show the subnet that was in use for his area then. Then, it's a matter of showing he's the only person in that area who knows of me.

    But, who knows. He's a snotty kid who pokes at me. I'm going to talk to the guy who runs the forum site and the Ventrilo server. I'm personal friends with him, and I'm gonna ask him to talk to the guy and tell him to stop it.

    I don't care if he doesn't like me, but I don't have to put up with insulting commentary.

    I've just read most of the Criminal Code of Canada dealing with it, and if I prove he's been doing it for years, I can get him imprisoned for up to 10 years and told never to make contact directly or through any other means with me ever again and fined.

    Evidently, Canada has firm laws in place about this. I'm about to take full advantage of them.

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    Slayer_

    Your friend should be getting a log of users for his Ventrillo.

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    jck

    He might want to do that though. He might be worried about privacy concerns.

    I'll see what he says. I sent him a message last night.

    If he doesn't help, I might file a complaint with his Ventrilo host and have a server admin come in and listen to it and record it.

    Then, I'll have the hosting company backing up my claim.

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    AV .

    Its really their job to deal with abusive people on their site. Don't they have some kind of end user agreement that you need to agree to before you can be active on the site? Something that includes abusive behavior will not be tolerated? If not, they should consider it.

    If you do get the IP info, its likely to be a dynamic IP address, but you could find out who hosts his internet service. Most ISPs have an email address to report abuse. Check out their whois record. ISPs will investigate it and respond to you. They have a record of all of his internet activities, in detail, but you would need a lawyer to get it. That's how I've seen it work in the US.

    AV

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    AnsuGisalas

    You may know who I'm talking about.

    Keep your wits about you.

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    seanferd

    A cyber-injunction would be a hilarious idea. But I don't know - there was a fellow just sent in for mental health treatment by the Canadian legal system after repeated complaints. It only took twenty years*, and finally a Twitter campaign and an effective DOSing of the Montreal cop's email system. (Well, it was only like 3000-odd emails, but this purportedly caused some sort of problem.)

    *Actually, that is roughly how long this guy had been annoying newsgroups, fora, email recipients, and comment threads with his insanity, which became more threatening as time wore on.

    So, good luck with that. I hope the system ops and/or the law will work for you.

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    jck

    He wouldn't send me a message in-game, because he knows it's out of his control there. That's why he makes comments in the Vent. And, he makes comments on the group forums. Some of his buddies administrate the sites and could help erase stuff.

    It's why I went to the head guy who owns the ventrilo we use, and the website where the forums are. I asked him to tell the guy to stop.

    If that doesn't help, I'm gonna log everything, record Vent sessions to get that, then I'm gonna submit it to the Canadian government and file a complaint against him and subpoena people in the US and Canada that have been witness to it.

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    JamesRL

    My clan runs a vent server to complement our game server. We have the same rules for it as we do in game. If any of the admins heard stuff like that, we would bring it to the clan council, and decide what to do, and doubtless if that kind of thing happened on our box, we would not just ban him from vent but from our game server as well. And we share our ban lists with others, so then there would be a dozen servers he couldn't use.

    We did have instant ban rules. Say something racist, instant ban, for example.

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    jck

    He's the head guy from our Nation/Clan/Group. He's been kinda distant for a year or so, since he got in a serious relationship. But, I tried talking sense to him.

    But if he won't help, I am going to just compile everything I can on the guy. Then when I do confirm he lives in Canada (have concrete proof of his identity, ISP, etc), I'm going to file with the Canadian government.

    I might **** off some people going that far, but none of them see to want to upset me or him. But the fact is, he's the one breaking the law. And, that means I have the right to have the law go after him since he's been doing this for years.

    Maybe I'll come play with you guys whatever you play. I get sick of being harassed by an idiot, and then the others just kind of go "oh well".

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    JamesRL

    When Battlefield 3 comes out, we will be back.

    Right now I'm playing World of Tanks till then, as are some of our clanmates. Its free and fun.

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    jck

    I do World of Tanks too, but I use the European server. That's where most of my old teammates are from.

    If you're on the EU server, let me know. I'll get you my info.

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    JamesRL

    So I'm on the NA server. I think you can still add me - Myhopesanddreams, as in "You killed myhopesanddreams".

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    seanferd

    Doesn't get the warning of a banhammer because his buddies are the sysops or mods. Fantastic.

    Still, good luck with whatever you choose to do.

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    JamesRL

    For not being consistent.

    Its a tough decision, and it cost the clan his dontation, but our clan was dedicated to a set of principles and one of the admins was not.

    I will admit, I've been a a pain to other admins on other servers who don't consistently enforce the rules. I've even been kicked for complaining/whining. I would find another server.

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    JamesRL

    Its not graphically demanding or as great graphics as some games. But it can run on older HW.

    You start off in a crummy pre WWII tank, and by playing 15 minute capture the flag games, you get points. You use the points to upgrade your tank or buy a new tank one tier above yours. You can play a number of different tanks, tank destroyers and molbile artillery. There are nine tiers, and it gets harder to jump to the next level every time. There is a matchmaking system to try and ensure you are in an even match, but its not perfect. You can join your friends and platoon working together in a game.

    Its free. You can buy a premium account and get some advantages, but if you are patient you don't need to. There are forums where the game is discussed.

    There are a dozen or so maps, but because of the need for matching making, its random which one you get. Some maps favour certain types of tanks or tactics.

    Overall I find it addictive and fun and free. It is frustrating at first till you figure out the gameplay, the modelling of tanks is far more complex thatn in CoD or Battlefield. And there are a huge number of tanks to play.