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Deadly Ernest
My son and I have just been having a discussion about spammers - it was due to my having just flagged a few of them here while he just killed some emails he got. Anyway, the outcome of the discussion was:

- Wouldn't it be nice if there was an email address or website where we could forward spam message to and they would then organise a few days of Denial of Service attacks on the sites being promoted by the spammers.

We concluded that if this happened:

- after a few incidents any site that was paying people to send spam would find it counter productive and stop it;

- spammers doing this for other reasons like getting people to visit their trojan laden site would get a bit upset to find their sites being trashed;

- the value of spam bot nets would decrease, and hopefully reduce the number.

Sadly, neither of us knows how to contact anyone who would do this and doubt it would happen in real life - but isn't it a NICE dream?
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    CharlieSpencer

    It sounds like their type of gig.

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    Deadly Ernest

    but don't you LOVE the idea of getting back at the spammers?

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    AnsuGisalas

    But you can skim Twitter for #anonops to find some people who might be involved.

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    Deadly Ernest

    I'll buy a flipping canary as they're nicer.

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    AnsuGisalas

    So I popped #anonops in my search engine and got this: http://www.anonops.com/
    They run some IRC rooms there, probably a good place to float balloons.
    But, as always, you won't know if who you're talking to is an activist, a gubermint agent or a regular pedestrian.

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    AV .

    Its uce@ftc.gov. Has it stopped spam? No. Its unfortunate, but as long as people keep clicking on links in spam emails and unwanted pop-ups offering protection from some unknown internet virus, the spammers have won.

    It is a nice dream though.

    AV

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    Lairdo

    Until people quit clicking on the links in their in box from spam, the spammers will not stop.

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    aidemzo_adanac

    I think everyone does. As a kid I delivered a local Real Estate Weekly newspaper. Some people left them on the step for weeks, soggy and windblown all over. Some people said they didn't want it and to stop delivering it. Some people complained if the DIDN'T get one.

    Some people don't want the Safeway flyer, some people wait for it to plan a shopping trip.

    People have complained about junk mail in their REAL mailboxes for decades (centuries?), probably since the printing press was invented anyway, perhaps cavemen got chunks of stone left by their caves that they didn't want either.

    Does junk mail still get delivered home? yes. Should we punish the mailman for it? Nope, dogs give them a hard enough time already..

    Face it, it's just something we all have to deal with now. I'm not condoning spam posts or junk mail or phishing attempts or anything else, but as a wise man once said (or maybe it was just my dad) choose your battles wisely.

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    aidemzo_adanac

    Just like the poorly managed black list websites that exist now, who will be the one to determine what is spam and what isn't? One mans trash is another's treasure.

    I don't get spam, none at all. But I have properly managed my email addresses since new, I don't even get stuff in my Junk folder because spam isn't coming in.

    For TR and other websites that I know will be bot and loser infested, I use an online account and even then, no real spam, just emails from the sites I subscribed to.

    Anyway, sorry for the segue that didn't segue into anything relevant.

    I have a friend that loves the junk she gets, I guess she's lonely and just like she feels she has 'friends' on Facebook, I suppose junk mail is real mail to many.

    I have worked very hard in the past to configure a GroupWise email server with heuristic and keyword checks, it was very hard to manage but after about 6 months was stopping unwanted and allowing wanted mail. Even then, I would constantly get asked to white list what I would deem junk mail but was relevant to someone else.

    So I guess it's really an impossible task, what is relevant and what is not? Of course, for a private site like TR, the moderators are there to make such determinations but even then, it could run afoul.

    It is a NICE dream indeed, and I can sympathize with your concerns and see that you have put some real thought into a solution. Unfortunately, understanding what the problem is, is the real problem. Is THIS post a problem? Is that post a problem? Who decides?

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    But you first have to understand the question before the answer makes any sense.

    Col

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    AV .

    I still get a little as I give my email address out to different places. Mostly shopping places. They share their info with third parties and bada bing bada boom, you got spam!

    Some of it is harmless, but the spam I don't like are the ones that could possibly carry a payload of viruses. You can tell the difference between benign spam and malignant spam. If you just bought something from the internet and you start getting emails from other valid business kind of companies, its different than getting a spam selling internet drugs or designer knockoffs from China or *** stuff from who knows where.

    As someone who has managed a spam filter for a sizeable company, I can say my criteria was that valid business newsletters and ads were allowed through and the bulk mail crap was scrapped in the spam trap if it was about drugs from the internet or *** stuff.

    AV

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    Deadly Ernest

    got some damn good spam filters on my emails.

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    PurpleSkys Moderator

    the most i get is whatever comes from web sites that I subscribe to; my Outlook email filters are trained quite well over the last 10 yrs or so. The most spam I have to deal with is indeed here on TR, and somedays it's a challenge. Chasing the wedding dress spammers and the red wings spammers is a chore, but it's good to get it off the site ASAP.

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    it was harvested some 13 years ago or so, when I was active on NNTP
    newsgroups, my ISP only allowed us to use our email address to login
    to the server. Of course, I deal with spam here and at ZDNet...there's
    a wild mess for you! Anyway, you mentioning internet drugs, now
    imagine being in my "daytime" profession...I'm a pharmacist. It's almost
    impossible to setup a filter based on keywords in my email software!
    So I trained myself to be able to recognize legitimate queries about
    various medications as opposed to the spam. A few years back that
    email address was receiving over 1000 emails per day, of which maybe
    5 or 6 were legit. It has dropped of late, to usually around 150.
    At the moment I fetch the headers of email, check sender and subject
    then mark to delete the spam and keep the good, then fire up whatever
    email client software I have depending on OS I'm running at the moment.

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    CharlieSpencer

    It sounds like their type of gig.

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    Deadly Ernest

    but don't you LOVE the idea of getting back at the spammers?

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    AnsuGisalas

    But you can skim Twitter for #anonops to find some people who might be involved.

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    Deadly Ernest

    I'll buy a flipping canary as they're nicer.

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    AnsuGisalas

    So I popped #anonops in my search engine and got this: http://www.anonops.com/
    They run some IRC rooms there, probably a good place to float balloons.
    But, as always, you won't know if who you're talking to is an activist, a gubermint agent or a regular pedestrian.

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    AV .

    Its uce@ftc.gov. Has it stopped spam? No. Its unfortunate, but as long as people keep clicking on links in spam emails and unwanted pop-ups offering protection from some unknown internet virus, the spammers have won.

    It is a nice dream though.

    AV

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    Lairdo

    Until people quit clicking on the links in their in box from spam, the spammers will not stop.

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    aidemzo_adanac

    I think everyone does. As a kid I delivered a local Real Estate Weekly newspaper. Some people left them on the step for weeks, soggy and windblown all over. Some people said they didn't want it and to stop delivering it. Some people complained if the DIDN'T get one.

    Some people don't want the Safeway flyer, some people wait for it to plan a shopping trip.

    People have complained about junk mail in their REAL mailboxes for decades (centuries?), probably since the printing press was invented anyway, perhaps cavemen got chunks of stone left by their caves that they didn't want either.

    Does junk mail still get delivered home? yes. Should we punish the mailman for it? Nope, dogs give them a hard enough time already..

    Face it, it's just something we all have to deal with now. I'm not condoning spam posts or junk mail or phishing attempts or anything else, but as a wise man once said (or maybe it was just my dad) choose your battles wisely.

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    aidemzo_adanac

    Just like the poorly managed black list websites that exist now, who will be the one to determine what is spam and what isn't? One mans trash is another's treasure.

    I don't get spam, none at all. But I have properly managed my email addresses since new, I don't even get stuff in my Junk folder because spam isn't coming in.

    For TR and other websites that I know will be bot and loser infested, I use an online account and even then, no real spam, just emails from the sites I subscribed to.

    Anyway, sorry for the segue that didn't segue into anything relevant.

    I have a friend that loves the junk she gets, I guess she's lonely and just like she feels she has 'friends' on Facebook, I suppose junk mail is real mail to many.

    I have worked very hard in the past to configure a GroupWise email server with heuristic and keyword checks, it was very hard to manage but after about 6 months was stopping unwanted and allowing wanted mail. Even then, I would constantly get asked to white list what I would deem junk mail but was relevant to someone else.

    So I guess it's really an impossible task, what is relevant and what is not? Of course, for a private site like TR, the moderators are there to make such determinations but even then, it could run afoul.

    It is a NICE dream indeed, and I can sympathize with your concerns and see that you have put some real thought into a solution. Unfortunately, understanding what the problem is, is the real problem. Is THIS post a problem? Is that post a problem? Who decides?

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    But you first have to understand the question before the answer makes any sense.

    Col

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    AV .

    I still get a little as I give my email address out to different places. Mostly shopping places. They share their info with third parties and bada bing bada boom, you got spam!

    Some of it is harmless, but the spam I don't like are the ones that could possibly carry a payload of viruses. You can tell the difference between benign spam and malignant spam. If you just bought something from the internet and you start getting emails from other valid business kind of companies, its different than getting a spam selling internet drugs or designer knockoffs from China or *** stuff from who knows where.

    As someone who has managed a spam filter for a sizeable company, I can say my criteria was that valid business newsletters and ads were allowed through and the bulk mail crap was scrapped in the spam trap if it was about drugs from the internet or *** stuff.

    AV

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    Deadly Ernest

    got some damn good spam filters on my emails.

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    PurpleSkys Moderator

    the most i get is whatever comes from web sites that I subscribe to; my Outlook email filters are trained quite well over the last 10 yrs or so. The most spam I have to deal with is indeed here on TR, and somedays it's a challenge. Chasing the wedding dress spammers and the red wings spammers is a chore, but it's good to get it off the site ASAP.

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    it was harvested some 13 years ago or so, when I was active on NNTP
    newsgroups, my ISP only allowed us to use our email address to login
    to the server. Of course, I deal with spam here and at ZDNet...there's
    a wild mess for you! Anyway, you mentioning internet drugs, now
    imagine being in my "daytime" profession...I'm a pharmacist. It's almost
    impossible to setup a filter based on keywords in my email software!
    So I trained myself to be able to recognize legitimate queries about
    various medications as opposed to the spam. A few years back that
    email address was receiving over 1000 emails per day, of which maybe
    5 or 6 were legit. It has dropped of late, to usually around 150.
    At the moment I fetch the headers of email, check sender and subject
    then mark to delete the spam and keep the good, then fire up whatever
    email client software I have depending on OS I'm running at the moment.