+ 1 Votes But are guns really the problem Slayer_ Updated - December 15, 2012 at 1:04pm PST Without trying to sound pro or anti gun. Canadians have a lot of guns at home, from pistols to rifles. My family had 8 guns including old military guns. When I was young my father showed me how to shoot guns. What is really different between us as the USA? I do know our guns have to be locked in a secure storage container, I do not know US laws on gun storage. Can it be pure population density? Does the fact that the US has more people clustered together mean that statistically the likelihood of a school shooting is greater? But isn't China and Japan even more densely populated? So what are their school shooting statistics? It can't be just that Americans think they have a right to guns is it? How is having the right to have guns different than being allowed to have guns? My theory... The typical urban environments lend themselves to less gun safety talks with children. This theory could be tested by checking the gun violence rates in less urbanized states. + 1 Votes A price to deserve? chdchan December 15, 2012 at 1:42pm PST Out of the vast population of North America, the gun-protected population is still far greater than gun-killed population, this makes the very sense....that a minor part of people should die for the majority. + 0 Votes Why some men dare not allow mercy killing but advocate murdering guns? chdchan Updated - December 16, 2012 at 4:08pm PST Are they conflicting stances? + 1 Votes Its your country j-mart December 16, 2012 at 4:46pm PST and have enshrined the right to be better armed than is sensible or necessary in your Constitution. I live in a peaceful society, in a backwater of a country, I can have access to hunting rifles and shot guns only, which as hunting and fishing are readily accessible and not very expensive pastimes, is as it should be. Handguns assault rifles machine guns and other automatic weapons are only useful for murdering, maiming and killing the innocent. I know that at the Wharehouse ( similar to your Walmart ) boxing day sale, an irate bargain hunter is not going to whip out a pistol and start shooting to grab a bargain that another customer is also trying to grab. The Police, who are not normally armed are not likely to get involved in a shootout as the bad guys can't easily get firearms. If I desire a firearm for hunting as well as being vetted by the Police, I am required to attend a firearm safe use course, pass this course and also provide proof that I have strong safe lockable cabinet to store these firearms in. This makes it harder for nutters and criminals to get their hands on weapons, and extremely hard if not near on impossible for them to get full automatic weapons and assault rifles. At the time your 2nd Amendment was added, your country was a wilder and less civilized place, as was the rest of the world. Are you sure that the reasons for the 2nd Amendment still apply ? Which is a more important freedom, Bearing any arms by any sane or insane, law abiding, or not law abiding person may so desire or restricting weapons in your society to types of firearms are made only for hunting not urban warfare eg. pistols assault rifles, and automatic weapons, or the freedom for your children to go to school a much lessened risk that some nut case with a chip on their shoulder will go on a mass killing spree. How many dead children is wide open gun controls worth ? As I said its your country, your choice, but I feel much safer and as a result much freer in my backwater of a country with the right sort of guns available and none of the type only useful for evil things + 0 Votes But having more guns is still the way out chdchan Updated - December 16, 2012 at 5:59pm PST When gun-possessing society is more aware of weapon danger, people tend to buy more guns to protect themselves. Despite this undeterrable cause and result, if firearm is banned and gun purchasing power all goes to charity or other positive spending, would it be much better? Some people just do not have enough to eat. + 0 Votes a bit funny highlander718 December 16, 2012 at 9:47pm PST it is true that in China one is safer than in the US when it comes to gun violence. But funny you don't mention workplace safety for example ? Or extreme poverty which brings health risks ? + 0 Votes US government disapproves other countries' development of nuclear weapons chdchan Updated - December 17, 2012 at 10:21am PST Why? Because they fear one day those countries will become BANDIT attackers. Every country is saying nuclear weapons are for self-protection; however, Americans want to eliminate that possibility of getting out of control. So why guns are not banned similarly to nullify the possibility of abuse? Is this Americans' "egotistic-privilege-ism"? + 0 Votes Can we conclude.... chdchan Updated - December 18, 2012 at 10:25am PST That gun possession is adovcated at the expense of gun crimes. And the TOLLs are justified by the majority of Americans. If you compare gun-killed statistics with knife-killed ones, you can visualize that over-worrying of gun crimes is unnecessary. So let's look forward to next bloodshed(s). + 0 Votes I will once again infuriate Maxwell... AnsuGisalas December 18, 2012 at 1:47pm PST and suggest that there are two major causes. One is crime. The US has a lot of it, and lots of crime means lots of criminal enforcing their own kind of justice on each other. The other is unhealthy attitudes. The Swiss have a lot of (army) weapons in their homes, but they don't really have a desire to own weapons. To many in the US, firearms seem to be a symbol of "fuckyeahfreedom". That's not something that engenders a sober attitude towards them. So, there, "expert" statement, sure to make Maxwell apoplectic. + 1 Votes Ansu: I'm not sure that you're completely right neilb@uk Updated - December 19, 2012 at 10:01am PST The rise in gun purchases following the recent school massacre have been attributed to two causes. Firstly there have been a number of people who have bought into the environment of fear that seems to pervade much more of the US population than I, for one, had appreciated. Fear - I/my wife needs a gun to protect my children/property/belongings, etc. There is a lot of that attitude, Even on the threads here despite the fact that burglaries are of about the same per capita rate as the UK although, (you'll be happy to know) more than Finland. Secondly, there are a significant number of gun nuts who have gone out and purchased a whole load of automatic weapons just in case the government does have the nuts to do something. Lots of people own guns or don't own guns but would restrict legislation simply because of the Second Amendment, which I truly do not understand. But I'm also lacking real understanding in the whole US Constitution with its rhetoric of liberty thing anyway and I just tend to lump it in with the other ancient Holy Books that I can't understand people's facination with. But, when it's all added up, more Americans DON'T own guns than own them. It's just got to the situation that those who do own guns now own more guns and more sophisticated and powerful guns. Interestingly, all ten of the states with the highest gun ownership rates, 50% or more, are considered staunchly Republican states. I'd rather not speculate on the racial profiling of gun owners lest I hit a nerve. Or speculate whether it's a Christian thing... p.s. The Swiss are WEIRD! Any country that has laws that forbids the flushing of a toilet after 10pm (and legislates that men pee sitting down after 10pm) and forbids the washing of a car on Sunday cannot be used to prove ANYTHING. Invoking "the Swiss do/have" is beyond Godwin's Law.