+ 0 Votes i so totally hear you there PurpleSkys Moderator December 14, 2012 at 3:10am PST I saw it on a g/f's fb while I was picking up my 8 yr old daughter from school; it's just sickening. There can be no serious sane reason for anyone to go off at a school!!!! My heart is breaking for the poor parents that are getting the worst, most gutt renching news a parent could ever get. May God give you all strength through this horrible time + 0 Votes Nah, it's not that complicated aidemzo_adanac January 4, 2013 at 1:12am PST Just take a cruise to sunny Guantanemo Bay with an American flag on your sleeve ? + 1 Votes I often wonder CharlieSpencer_Palmetto Updated - December 14, 2012 at 3:47am PST if publicizing these tragedies does more harm than good, if it motivates those with an incomprehensible desire for the attention that results from a so-called 'blaze of glory' finish. I guess it's news but really, what's the benefit to the public of trumpeting it, especially those outside the local area? Maybe I've just become too callous to be affected any more. + 0 Votes What a senseless tragedy AV . December 14, 2012 at 5:08am PST What could possibly motivate someone to murder innocent children? My heart goes out to those that lost their loved ones and to all children, families and the teachers that will have to live with that horrible memory for the rest of their lives. Is there anywhere that any of us are safe anymore from the lunatics that walk among us? AV + 0 Votes So where are the Nutters insisting HAL 9000 Moderator December 14, 2012 at 5:59am PST That it is a Right to be armed and everyone should be carrying? See if those 5 year olds could have shot at the intruder not so many may have died. What a crock of Shite. Col + 0 Votes my apologies PurpleSkys Moderator Updated - December 14, 2012 at 9:21pm PST to my American (and other Nationalities) friends if I offend you at this point....I'm Canadian (and proud of it) but for the life of me, I do not believe in the right to bear arms.The right to own a gun for legal hunting and protection of one's home, yes. I don't have guns in my house, nor do I want them here. I made Darryl remove his rifles before I moved in, I want nothing to do with them. So my thoughts on this are, having easy access to guns and being P'Oed at my parents because I can't have my own way likely was justified is this sick kid's head before he went off. And nothing makes me more aggrivated than when they turn coward and kill themselvles instead of facing up. Yes, I'M friggin' mad!!!!!!!!! Watching the news last night made me cry, my heart is so broken for all the folks involved. + 1 Votes A friend of a friend's daughter was killed that day Slayer_ Updated - December 15, 2012 at 1:05am PST 6 years old, what a tragedy. What has to snap in your head to make you want to go kill small children. They had just moved there from Canada. Possibly even more tragic is the relative frequency of these attacks. + 0 Votes Hate AnsuGisalas December 15, 2012 at 5:59am PST Hate feeds hate, kills more, builds more hate. If the hate doesn't kill you, it infects you. How do you cure hate? + 2 Votes Maybe AV . December 16, 2012 at 2:59am PST Maybe we should be looking at where these sick people get the ideas in their head to begin with instead of the weapon of choice. Look at some of the movies that are out. Look at the violent video games that some people play. Its all gore, all the time. It glorifies horrific violence and evil in such a graphic way. People that are sick and antisocial that watch the movies or play those games all the time aren't mentally equipped to treat it as just a game or a work of fiction. I think they find empowerment in the media that they don't have in their real life and at some point they cross a line where it seems like a good idea to act that out in real life. Probably that decision is triggered by a real life event where they feel rejected or wronged in some way. Its not only guns, its knives, bombs, fires, you name it. How do you prevent someone from making a bomb or using a knife or setting someone on fire or throwing acid on someone, etc., etc. etc.? The profile of the people that commit these mass murders is always the same. They are lonely, isolated, angry and anti-social with deep-seated hatreds. Maybe they are religious zealots. Maybe they are disgruntled employees that just lost their job. Maybe they hate the government. Until we figure out a way to deal with people like that, the killings will continue. I don't know what the answer is, but I can't see the US ever taking away the right to bear arms in this country and they shouldn't. That isn't going to solve the problem. A person with the intent to kill people with guns will just buy them illegally. Or, maybe they'll use a bomb instead or set the building on fire to inflict mass casualties. If they have the intent, they'll find the way. AV + 0 Votes The right to bear arms is about as sensible as the right to arm bears neilb@uk December 16, 2012 at 7:28pm PST What is the reason for the American obsession with guns? Why do guns have an emotional and intellectual importance that we over here can only stand and wonder at and not understand or empathise in the slightest? We have common history and values in so many ways but, in this matter, we are as far apart as it is possible to be. Is it the "cult of the individual"? Yet I see Americans as more homogeneous and less individual than my own culture. Is it because the nation was born in armed revolution? Yet that is the case with other countries and nowhere else is the cult of the weapon so obvious. Anyway, that was then, this is now. Your history? A settler nation that had to both impose and maintain its domination over indigenous people to acquire and defend land and feed itself in a frontier state? Again, that was then, this is now. The constitution? That's another obsession that I cannot comprehend. The idea that a "right", defined as a right in the eighteenth Century might be taken from you causes apoplexy. As someone who does not have that partuclar right, does not miss it and honestly does not want it, I am (yet again) left scratching my head. Fear? This one, I can grasp at and, maybe, understand. Everybody has a gun so I have to have a gun? But that does not explain the obsession with firearms and it certainly does not explain how the USA produces "Preppy" female primary school teachers who own semi-automatic weapons. If I were to take away your gun, you white, middle-class American, what would upset you most about my action? I'm listening to the radio this morning and, obviously, the major news item is the Newtown massacre and the line that has made me stop and wonder is "one of the worst school massacres in American history". There is a league table of school massacres? I cannot comprehend how there can be a massacre at a school and NOTHING IS DONE. And so, there is another one... The logic is so obvious. You are locked in a room with a homicidal maniac. Would you prefer it if he or she had a gun, or they didn't? Yes, I know, if YOU had the gun... But that's not my question "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". This banal statement conveniently ignores the fact that people can kill people far easier with guns than almost anything else and that, in a country with high levels of inequality, poverty and segregation, such as America, they are more likely to do so. + 1 Votes Look to the source for violence mjd420nova December 17, 2012 at 12:03am PST I've heard all the arguments but many are so PRO- this or PRO- that, Prejudiced is what they mean. SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE CHILD works with a nation too. I keep and bear arms and spanked my children. If you enter my castle with the intent to harm me or my family or partake of my belongings, beware, none of what I have is not worth your life. Child rearing is not an exact science and must be suited to each childs behavior. Nearby Oakland Ca. has a gun violence rate that has 12 and 13 year old kids killing others on the streets. DAILY. Where did they learn these skills? Where else but at home. Debates are roaring over concealed carry and open carry laws but more constraint is needed before hasty legislation turns whole states and counties into combat zones. When the posiblity exists that a crook may attempt a robbery and get shot and or killed for their efforts, they might think twice. If you attempt to carjack me, you might get shot in the face. Concealed carry permits are closely guarded but must be accompanied with some training and live fire simulations. I would never have given my wife a .380 for her personal use if she hadn't tried it, fired it and cleaned it. Storage safety is a person by person basis but I feel that an unloaded weapon is useless. If younger children are present, safeguards are mandatory in some communities, safes and trigger locks among them. But one thing must be remembered, the world is filled with some incredible wonderful people, and some very terrible ones too, determining which is which can be truly life and death. If one teacher or the principal had been packing, the toll may have been much smaller.