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Mark Kaelin is a CBS Interactive Senior Editor for TechRepublic. He is the host for the Microsoft Windows and Office blog, the Google in the Enterprise blog, the Five Apps blog and the Big Data Analytics blog.
After looking at Word and Excel, I can only say this: LOSE THE @#&^#% RIBBON! It's eye candy, nothing more. At least make it a rollover--don't Microsoft people know about rollovers yet? I've also read that many keyboard shortcuts are gone/changed. Seriously, MS -- we've been using Office for decades. It's like carmakers moving the gas pedal.
TechRepublic needs to consider the placement of the pictures on the web page. Unfortunately, you cannot go from screen-to-screen to view the images without scrolling down each time you move to the next image. Unfortunate and too inconvienient to bother.
They missed a perfect opportunity to get rid of the stupid ribbon. I recently changed out my Dad's PC, and had him sit down and navigate through it to make sure he could get to everything. His comment, completely unprompted when he opened word 2007 was, "What is the deal with that stupid toolbar?" I explained the ribbon concept and he started working through it, and said, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen." He's a very casual user and doesn't use word or excel much, but he rocked on the menu style in 2003. I get constant calls from him with office 2007 as he tries to find stuff.
I have been using the beta for quite some time and, so far, I'm not budging from 2007. Maybe after it's been out for a year or so and Microsoft does the countless patches, updates and other things it desperately needs to make it more stable and way less complicated, then I might consider the investment. From what I've seen so far, it add layers of things that aren't all that necessary or useful, made it more bloated and pretty much fixed something (2007) which wasn't broken. But, isn't that Microsoft's mission in life??(Hint to MS- lose the "Ribbon"!!)
Looks good! Plenty of nice eye candy but what about under the covers, what's new? Will it be worth upgrading? I assume there be an upgrade version at a reasonable cost? (It's good to dream!)
While there isn't a roll-over option available you can do much the same by using your scroll button, if available. Just place your mouse cursor on any one of the tabs, & then scroll thru the tabs. jmk-nbsc
The ribbon is the number one reason I plan to switch to Open Office with my next refresh, which is coming soon. I still use Office 2003, mainly because of the ribbon. It reminds me of Bob, Clippy, and other foibles that Microsoft thought would be really cool and helpful. Am I wrong to prefer easily finding commands/options in the same place where I found them before?
We spend 35 years or more getting fully used to operating the menu system, and we use its model to organize our own files. Now we have to try to fathom a ribbon systemm that makes sense only to the programmers who wrote it. I am not a luddite. I have been in this game since the CPM days and have faithfully adhered to MS against the other guys. The menu system is ordered and logical - the ribbon system is non-intuitive. My solution - Classic Menu for Office by Addintools http://www.addintools.com - the best $30 bucks you'll ever spend.
I've been running a Beta on Win 7 64 bit box for about 5 months and this has been the first time in years I have had anything even remotely positive to say about MS. I am still installing 2k7 on machines and I'm very happy not to be running it on my own. The UI is now consistent between all the parts which is/was a pain with O2k7. Whether you like it or not I have found that most of my users actually like it once they have started using it and stopped groping and whining.
I primarily use First Word, then Publisher, then Visio. Seldom anything else in Office. This opinion is from that perspective. I disagree with those who say that 2007 was not "broken". 2007 was as broken as Vista or perhaps even worse. 2010, while like Windows 7, is a vast improvement over its predecessor, is still broken. (LOSE THE !@#$%^&* RIBBON) At least the ribbon is easier to hide now and not waste so much desktop space. There are new features in 2010 Word that some of us will appreciate such as enhanced photo editing abilities. These, of course come at a cost. They complicate other tasks by their presence. They also do not function in .doc format so you can send your documents to 90% of the rest of the world. (Drop the .docx crap) Word 2010 now complicates copy and paste by requiring that you open Word before copying the desired text or graphic. (If you select a body of text and copy, then open Word and attempt to paste, nothing happens - you must re-copy the selection, then paste. Office 2010 is full of such bugs as this many of which have not been corrected from previous versions and some new ones introduced with 2010. Overall, Office 2010 is to Office 2007 as Windows 7 is to Vista - quite an improvement over the biggest piece of junk Microsoft ever produced, but still far from what it should be. Maybe Office 2013 will be better.
I was sorely disappointed when I went to upgrade as I always have, there no longer is an upgrade option, just full versions. I went with Office Home & Business 2010 rather than the Pro version as I had for years. I think that this might be a bad policy strategically for MS as it might slow down the migration from earlier versions, or move many over to open source. jmk-nbsc
Classic menu in vb environment is still there. I wonder when those ribbon "artists" will grab it also ?
Looks like a great deal of design effort went into making the suite prettier to look at so that it will be impressive in ads -- but it already looks harder to use. More and more wasted screen space so that everything can be a cute picture with lots of white space around it. Guess What Microsoft? I'm a professional who uses Office programs to do work -- when I run Word or Excel or PowerPoint, I am interesting in getting my job done effectively and efficiently -- I am NOT looking for some pretty pictures to play with. If I want pretty pictures, I will run a slide show or screen saver, not an office suite.
I know I'm supposed to be cynical and bash MS, but I like what I see in 2K10. It will make some consider holding off on the 2K7 rollouts!
I agree with john. Although I upgraded to Win 7 due to receiving a new laptop I stayed with Office 2003 which is by far the best version of Office produced. I use Word, Excel, PPT, Project and Vision and the latest versions really do complicate things unnecessarily and waste screen space. Whilst I can understand that for newbies Office is complex and indeed many users only use 20% of the functions or less, at the end of the day busy working people get used to a working methodology and to change that to something more complex, not less complex, is crazy. MS could have dealt with this by offering ribbon as default but with an option to change to standard menu and icons. But looking at 2010 they are also wasting space down the left margin not just the top. I have seen one or two extensions that add the Office 2003 icons and for about $30 they look good, but I have not actually bought or tested any. Incidentally Win 7 is also disappointing. Whilst it does have some useful new features, overall navigation is more complex, lots of wasted screen real estate, and the pretty graphics actually hinder some navigation, for example scrolling through a list of files and folders in file manager is simply not enough contrast and colour with all these pretty pastel shades. It slows the user down. When I return to XP the visual interface is far more functional. Using Win 7 daily for 3 months but still not pleased entirely. I guess Office 2007 / 2010 wiould frustrate me even more. And by the way, I have also been "leading edge" in technology but the past 3 years I believe MS GUI design generally go backwards rather than forwards. Office 2010 - pretty, yes, but pretty useless as well !
The retail version of Office 2010 is only in pre-order - not sure it's fair to count bugs yet. I have been using the retail version of Office 2010 for about a week (downloaded from MSDN) and I have not encountered any major bugs. Which bugs have you concerned?
Sorry, couldn't resist John. I tried to replicate your copy & paste problem as you described it, & was unable to do so. I am running Win7 64bit, & Office 2010 beta, & I have been using this combination in one form or another for about 8 months or so. I was a little surprised at your description of the problem, & after I was able to copy & Paste as usual, I would suggest that you look for something else going on. I normally use a copy & paste program called ClipCache Pro, & I have been using it for about 8 years or so to make up for the weaknesses in the earlier copy & paste programs that were in earlier versions of Office. However, I went & shut-off CC, & then using Office 2010's copy & paste function I was able to do it without having Word open. I always have a Word shortcut pinned to my taskbar, so I wondered if that might play a role, so I unpinned it & then opened Word from the start menu, & it still worked. Like I said earlier, there may be something else going on? jmknbsc
jeffer3, I feel that I do have "egg on my face" because I incorrectly blamed the described frustration on Office 2010 when, in fact, it is a Windows 7 frustration. I am apologizing to the world for that mistake. I certainly do agree with you, however, that Microsoft should hang their head in shame over this issue (and numerous others) because, whether it is a Windows 7 issue or an Office 2010 issue, it is a Microsoft issue and the issue should not exist. It is a significant frustration that appears only to be "fixed" by a competitive, free application. I do not know if Office 2010 works with Vista because I wore out the "reboot switch" in a few months time on the one Vista machine that I bought and discarded after just those few months due to its poor performance and never touched Vista again.
john3347, I noticed on initial offering Win 7 was "downgradeable" to XP and thought - here we go again. I must admit I have been delighted with Win 7 on a home machine that I have not migrated some of our proprietary software over to. I don't feel you should have "egg on your face" when you are using an newer "better" version of Windows. Some of the reasons I never switched from XP to Vista (and have never used Vista) is that my contract work resides with companies whose programs either do not work with Vista, or none of us have the hours and money to make the necessary changes for the programs to work. I would have told you last year I would not be running Win 7 for that reason. If you have had issues using Win 7 with a program that performs well on XP (written by MS) then it should be them (MS) that have egg on their face. Your post represents why people (myself included) are so nervous about using Win 7 for business. It almost cost me a months lost revenue, and nearly my contracts, with our fiasco with Vista. Do you know if Office 2010 works with Vista? (You are far from alone with these issues).
I also have the retail version downloaded from TechNet Plus but not installed yet. I am still using the Beta version. One of the biggest frustrations (that has been introduced with 2010) is having to open Word before copying text or graphics to paste to Word. If a person, for example, is reading a TechRepublic PDF or an online article such as this one and wishes to print a copy for referral later the old method does not work. I have always highlighted the desired text and copied it (ctrl c), opened Word, then pasted (ctrl v). That procedure no longer works. One must open Word before copying the desired text. (always is at least back to Office 7 if memory serves me correct) The Ribbon remains unintuitive and requires "pure memory" to remember what commands are located where. It is, however, much more manageable than in 2007. The quick access bar at the very top of the desktop makes access to common tasks quite easier, and the enhanced customization ability of the ribbon and easier hiding of the ribbon makes working with a "train wreck" much easier. but the train wreck ribbon needs to be replaced with something in which one step leads logically to the next. As additional features are added, further complicating the overall product, this intuitive interface becomes more and more important, yet gets more and more ignored. It is terribly disappointing to see that many of the enhanced graphics manipulation features and other new features are disabled in "compatibility mode". One cannot, for instance, remove the background from a photograph placed in a Word document in .doc format. If one uses .docx format the recipient of an email replies, "I could not open the document you sent me." (Yes, I know Microsoft, and others, respond to that with, "They can download a copy of Word Reader for free.", but the person on the other end does not wish to do that - - and I wouldn't either. These, and other frustrations, may not technically be "bugs", but they are huge frustrations that prevent the product from being what it could, and should, be. I have begun using ZOHO for copy and paste operations due to this new frustration introduced in Word 2010. I would prefer to use only one word processing application, but there is no one application that offers both user friendliness and most features. Edit: OH WOW, do I ever have egg on my face. I apologize to anyone reading or involved with my rant. The copy/paste issue described above is one of the many Windows 7 frustrations and does not occur with Office 2010 Beta in Windows XP. While I still see it as a frustration caused by Microsoft, it appears not to be an Office 2010 frustration. I apologize to anyone deserving an apology for this misrepresentation.