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I tested the Beta and not only did it break 1/10th of the current sites out there, it decided to destroy my dhtml menu on my main site. Then there were the frequent lockups on sites with addons like flash and other activeX stuff. I ended up running it in Emulate IE7 mode all the time, and finally just uninstalled it because I am through testing this crappy beta.
In response to your offer of figuring out what the 'Developer tools' are for; I can't help but notice that it looks like a straight copy of Firebug (http://www.getfirebug.com/), an extension for Firefox. A quick look at the website gives you a good indication of what it's useful for. For the record, I love Firebug.
More boring & horribly developed programs from Microsoft...still trying to compete with Firefox & failing miserably.
Umm what is that I see? I thought google search was a competitor to the MS Live search... Is MS giving in or what's the deal.. I'm still using IE 6.0.2900 at home and work(Work I use Mozilla, just cause it's the supported software). I haven't switched to firefox cause from somethings I find IE 6 works better... I do have it installed though
FireFox 3 far superior / It's like comparing a heavy wight contender against a fly weight! C'mon guys- I know the engineering talent at Google/Firefox...Microsoft can not compete against Google salaries nor talent. It is evident in Firefox products. Sorry to burst your bubble.
FireFox 3 far superior / It's like comparing a heavy wight contender against a fly weight! C'mon guys- I know the egineering talent at Google/Firefox...Microsoft can not compete against Google salaries nor talent. It is evident in Firefox products. Sorry to burst your bubble.
so I have loaded the beta IE8 on my machine and found that it is well very much a alpha, In standards mode it has trouble rendering most of microsoft's own sites, it did seem snappy but very buggy. Having to restart to the browser for almost every change in the settings. Having run FF3 since the original open beta it never felt like a beta it ran all the sites I wanted it to with out any errors. Besides the fact that most pluggins are only now starting to work with FF3 again I cannot see any reason to run IE8.
good for webdevelopers but it doesn't seem easy for people that aren't web developers it sounds to hard for the simple internet users.
All I see is the same old explorer with added firefox abilities and one more annoying automatic tab opening to show the "whats new" in the very plain, boring, IE.
I've yet to see any web browser that's something outside of plain and boring, lol. I liked Firefox when it came out, but most browsers look the same to me these days. Some have features that others don't so it is simply a matter of personal preference. I've had them all crash on me personally, so I don't see any as being more stable than the rest. And as for plain and boring...none of them jump out and scream "exciting" unless you just googled jessica alba
Looks like more confusion. MS has made a mission of destroying the interface they have been giving us for years. What's the zoom control doing on the status bar? Every other app (incl. MS) has it at top. Are we still stuck with those silly icons on the RIGHT of the window? Can we have our menus back, please? AT the LEFT? Refresh/Stop should be to the left of the address bar where you are most likely to have left your mouse cursor if you type in the address bar or used one of the directional controls (like where it used to be, duh). Can we interchange where we place the links bar, the address bar and the Menu bar and put them on the same line to save space? That address bar is awful long! Or are we still stuck with on/off? Can we get rid of that silly bar of icons that's taking up tab space? Too bad there hasn't been an on/off for this useless bit of eye candy. Maybe 8 will have it! But I'm not holding my breath. Articles like this should highlight truly useful elements and changes, unless there are none. Hmm, maybe that's what you did. I know I can't wait to get WEB SLICES! I don't know how I have been living without them! I suppose we should count our blessings that we still have a title bar and max/restore/close buttons. All I really wanted was IE6 with tabs, honest!
I don't see anything there that would move me away from Firefox either. Emulate IE7? Does that mean sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't? (?`?._.?ns??v??._.???)
I avoid using IE7 the most of the time; just in Microsoft-based websites. I love to customize it; i.e. the buttons of the browser, movable bars to make more room space, etc. In the other hand IE is no user-adaptable. IE8 came with the same behavior. So I will continue using firefox until something better comes out. It is very customizable, fast, secure and had grown and mature very fast. Microsoft, nice try.... ;)
With the old browser wars gone, IE8 is a nice try like vista. Just not worth it. However with FF3 slowing to a grind it makes me wonder what the F@CK they did to the code. It might be enough for people to switch back to IE. I still prefer ff myself but unless they fix it I'll be going back to v2 until they pull their heads out of MS's arse.
If the TechRepublic page does not render properly in IE8 is that due to MS at last complying with W3C standards and TechRepublic coding to old MS standards? Alternatively has MS produced another bastard standard?
Looks like IE8 will be rendering pages using W3C standards by default. And yes, it looks like they did make another "MS IE 8 standard". But you should be able to add a tag to your page to force IE8 to render using "IE7 standards" if your page is optimized for it. http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9836106-2.html http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9884688-56.html?tag=bl
My current web audience is around 40% IE6, 20% IE7, 30% FF2, 8% other web standard browsers and remaining 2% old and non standard browsers. At present I code for a subset of the standards (e.g. CSS3 is not yet mature enough but getting closer). Then I make the necessary correction for IE6 and IE7. These corrections take 30% or more of the development time. With the new IE8, I expect the situation will get worse! IE8 will most likely still not clear all those IE6, will coexist with a percentage of IE7s that can not be ignored, and we, the web developers, will have to code exceptions for yet another "low standards" browser! Thanks Microsoft! "Thanks a lot"!
...judging IE8 before you know anything about it. High five for prejudice! My main focus right now is web development. I typically use Expression Web, because WYSIWYG is much better, and much prettier than hand code. Obviously, since my sites are flash integrated, there is still a great deal of code by hand. Anyway... I upload the site, and every time it works with IE6, IE7, and FF2 and every FF3b. It works with Camino, it works with the PSP and PS3 web browser. I never have a problem with those. The only issue I EVER have is with Safari, where certain fonts get replaced, and where certain sizes aren't correct. It's like it completely ignores my font families and my CSS. I would LOVE to hear about issues you've had with IE6/IE7, and what program you use to code. If you use notepad (textedit on mac, etc), then step off man. DreamWeaver, Expression Web, and others (like notepad++) have no problem what so ever, in my experience.
after wrecking my computer installation with sp3 for xp I am not going near a beta ie8 Besides from the screen shots it looks like they still have the dumb address bar and then the search bar and if you are like me you will also have another bar ... Google with yet another search bar. Refresh is still in a stupid spot should be next to the back and forward keys. That goes for stop also. Instead just have an address bar with a toggle to allow search or web page. Less wasted screen space. One last thing, IE7 EMULATOR!!! Is it every time MS get graduates that they tell them to screw up the user interface? IMO
microsoft automatic updates downloaded sp3 to my computer which destroyed my computer to ware i had to reformat my computer because it would not even start windows so now i'm weary of getting ie8 til i see it work with everybodies computer. i have been a microsoft person for years but now i'm starting to think again before i jump into something micosoft first puts out. there trying to out do the other companys just to keep up and making some bad mistakes. i'm watching you closly microsoft
SP3 is beta. You really have to look for it. If you installed SP3 it wasnt from WIndows update. Also SP3 seems stable but I wanted IE8 and it WOULD NOT install on a system with SP3. I tried to uninstall SP3 and got the BSOD. So if you have SP3 dont try to uninstall it. If you dont, hold off for a while. IE8 seems harmless now that I have it on an SP2 system.
One of the more interesting features in IE8 beta is the Activity and WebSlice concepts. The idea is that you can highlight a word on any Web page and right click it for a list of potential actions. Like getting a quick map of Chicago. What do you think about that concept? Are you developing your Web sites with IE8 and Firefox 3 in mind?
Yahoo has LiveWords in their messenger as well. I have it turned off and will do the same with WebSlice because it is too damned distracting. And NO! I will not go get the beta ver. of W IE. Nor will I upgrade to W IE-8. Just another glitzy peice of crap like they did to MS Media Player-11. I think even less of the Napster logo sitting there like a poorly designed advertisement sign. As some one else mentioned about screen realestate, it seems as if the software comming out of Redmond, WA wants to take even more. Remember when MS Windows came with your first mouse? I do. (still have it some where in my collection of crote) Personally, I would rather that Microsoft concentrate more on security than anything else. I don't want any more tool bars. Just improve the one that is there. Security updates? Piracy security is what they are most worried about. Read the EULA. Seems the "pirates" are doing a better job of it again. Will they ever keep up? Welcome Ubuntu. Microsoft must be listening.
Vista has less exploits than Mac or any Linux distro... the study done for potential number of exploits showed Vista followed by XP having the least, and Linux (specifically Ubuntu) was the worst. Microsoft already MADE the most secure system. The problem is, EVERYONE attacks windows. Who cares about attacking mac? And since most Linux users know not to install things marked trojan. anything, the viruses don't really matter there. If people copy windows illegally, who is that bad for? It's bad for MS and it's bad for the people who pay for it's wallet. It's not bad as far as viruses... WMP11 works 1000 times better than WM10... albeit, in my experience it is slower. But it adds so many tools to get new music, to find data about your old music, to better organize your media, etc. It's better integrated with everything else, and looks way better... Ubuntu... fun to play with. Crappy to work with. Even more so than OS X on the crappy to work with. And less fun...