The install process
Mark Kaelin is a CBS Interactive Senior Editor for TechRepublic. He is the host for the Microsoft Windows and Office blog, the Google in the Enterprise blog, the Five Apps blog and the Big Data Analytics blog.
A HALF-HOUR to load?!?! You need to restart and THEN install a new update? Does Microsoft realize that that's just ridiculous?
I tried the beta and was not impressed. I'll stick with IE7 until they get all the problems worked out.
If you want the slowest browser, with crazy security features that will irrationaly block tons of sites and emails, and then have problems displaying some sites(much worse than Firefox's display problems), then IE-8 if the crap for you. But if you want a good browser, use Avant.
So my question would be are there security issues for staying with IE6 versus IE8? I use both IE6 and FF; FF does not always display everything correctly but I do like it better. In a Microsoft world in the corporate environment using AD for controlling situations, MS IE is necessary. Wish AD worked with FF, Chrome, Opera, ....
I've had IE8 from Beta to RC1 and now the full version. Have had no problems that were not easily handled. I'm a home user with a wired/wireless network that I've set up myself using XP Home and Media Center.
I have been using the Beta and downloaded the production version. Feature I like best -- close current tab, has saved me from reloading the browser multiple times. Most problems have come from sites that are not compatible with IE8. Hoping that this will improve over time.
Well after installing IE8 beta, RC1 and the final version it made my mind up. I have switched to Firefox as IE8 keeps hanging with no response and the only way to clear it is to bring up Task Manager to kill the application and start over. Firefox is more stable and works like a dream compared to IE8.
I am using IE8 with Windows 7 beta. I am finding it to be more like IE7's unfounded reputation as an unstable application subject to much freeze-ups, and other "non-functionings". Have tried FireFox 3 and quickly return to IE7. Since I figured out how to disable tabbed browsing in IE7, I haven't had a problem with it. Maybe the IE8 instability issues have been resolved by now as I am using a beta version.
Maybe I am a purist but I still don't like the URL address bar at the top of the browser. The way IE8 and IE7 was designed placed the most important piece of information furthest away from the actual web page you are looking at and then fills in a cluttered space with drop down menus and buttons directly over the web page window. The menus and buttons are the parts of the browser used the least so I prefer them to be tucked away at the top. I noticed in IE7 you didn't have the option of rearranging the browser and that turned me off to all of the other features. These reasons are why I choose to use Firefox.
When I installed this in Vista64, all my folder settings were messed up. I was unable to reset them and no matter what I did, they always opened in a new window. Even with reboots and registry hacks, the only way I could get it to work again was to uninstall IE8. Anyone else have this problem and found a fix?
I installed it with no trouble (on an XP Pro Dell laptop)and then nothing worked in IE. The uninstall went easily as well.
This has got to be the worst review of an application I have ever seen. No changes to the print menu? What changes do you need to click here to print. Good grief.
I'm using Aggiorno's IE 8 compatibility wizard to update my websites so that IE 8 will work with them...and take advantage of all the new features http://www.aggiorno.com/
I'll stick with FF and Chrome I want my personal computer to be 'personal'. I don't WANT to do everything the M$ way. Especially not browse the web.
I always find it interesting to read the comments that are anti Microsoft or any of their products. My conclusion is that they are normally written by self opiniated little geeks who do not live in the real world. Half of them can't normally spell properly or have only a moderate grasp of proper English language. Microsoft and Bill Gates in particular are as far as I am concerned, the best thing that ever happened to personal computing and gave those of us non-techies a chance to do things we never dreamed of. Alright so not everything about Microsoft is perfect, but considering the size and scope of the organisation is that any surprise! The geeks of this world had it all their own way for far too long, sitting around spouting words the rest of us couldn't understand and treating the general public with utter contempt with their obscure language and complicated programs. Could they have managed a large complex organisation like Microsoft any better, I doubt it. At least Microsoft speaks my language!
I work for a school district in florida and we are just now implementing IE7, We had some App's that were not IE7 Compatible but now there are new online apps that only run on IE7 so the change is needed, on top of the migration from Novell to Microsoft, GroupWise to Exchange. We are having a lot of fun
I will stick with firefox it loads faster, and it give me everthing internet exsplore does if and when I buy a new computer i will deal with a new internet exsplore of whatever verson is out I do not want to mess up my operating system now. thats just my opinon
I was running IE-8\RC1 with very few problems. I liked its quickness compared to IE-7. As soon as I heard that IE-8 was in its full release version I downloaded it and installed it over RC1. It seemed to work fine until I re-booted my machine. When I did this, IE-8 stopped working and I couldn't uninstall it since it interferred with my ADD\REMOVE PROGRAMS program so I had to rerun setup and let it unisntall itself which corrected the issue. I went back to IE-6 and I think I'll just stay with it for now...
I agree with just about everything Mike said. MS ain't perfect and I don't think Apple is by a longshot. Or Mozilla or others. Some talk about bloatness. I don't think downloading IE8 at 16MB isn't much different than Firefox 3 at 8MB. Look at Adobe Reader 9. The damn thing is 40+MB! Version 6 was 15MB. Version 4 was something like 5MB. That's bloatness.
Having read all the replies so far, and had a quiet smirk on the infighting that always goes on between the so called - people in the Know - I had always used IE explorer until 4 to 5 years ago I happened to come across Firefox I now use Firefox all the time, and always install it for all my new customers. So they have a choice between the two.
Has anyone thought about the fact that the more a system is customised/personalised the more chance there is of a new program not running well? Without Billy-G we would not have much to choose from, there would be no motivation for innovation, Apple does suck though, no freedom to customise like a nut and build an ugly frankenPC that does not quite fit in its chassis.
Sorry mpid - wasn't supposed to be a reply to your comment. Was supposed to be under the original post.
Yawn! Try Opera for instance. TOTAL download is 5.4MB or 7.2MB (depending on whether US or International version) and ummm ... 10 mins to load? Oh - and also has a built-in email client. IE8 still needs an email client like Outlook - unless I've missed something.
ALWAYS, add/remove any release candidates before installing a RTW-RTM-Final edition of ANY MS product. Never install a final "over" the beta or RC. This is true of almost every MS software release.
... that the 16MB download is just for the setup image, and that the total download size for IE8 is substantially larger than that. Some of the other updates that Windows may require you to perform - such as the .NET Framework - will also add some more to the total download size.
Breaks too many things... Slow, too... Try Chrome (HIGHLY recommended, BTW) or Firefox. If you can find an older version of Firefox, I prefer that to FF3. I did beta IE8, and I must say, that aside from the "tab color groupings" (for lack of a better description) if all you want is tabbed browsing, stick with IE6, and use a third party browser.
Microsoft has long discontinued further development and release of fresh version of Outlook Express. They have come up with Windows Mail in Windows Vista and Windows Live Mail for all OSes including Vista.
because it's easily faster on both of my PCs than IE6, IE7, and FF - and it doesn't 'break' things. POORLY WRITTEN pages don't work - Opera is much more standards-based than any other browsers.
So when did you last use it? I've had it on my machine for six years, and although I like Mozilla, and have tried most others, I keep coming back to Opera for its integration of mail and web, and its general look and feel. If IE8 is so bloated, I shan't even bother until it's forced on me. Wouldn't it be good if Moore's law applied to software?