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Well should be tried once... BUt it would more better if its functional comparision is shown with winxp / vista and Suse/Redhat Linux
ummm, windows suckage aside... that so-called Enlightenment desktop doesn't look so 'enlightened' at all... it just looks clunky & amateur. honestly, what the hell's wrong with you linux folks? you can't create a usable & decent desktop GUI to save your lives!
Actually, this Window Manager for Linux looks to be so much better than any of the other WMs for Linux. At least it adds the "dock-like" shelf, which is what Windows should have, rather than the idiotic Start Menu. (I LOVE Vista, BTW. But I am also aware of its limitations. EWM appears to be a great addition to Linux Desktop building. It is definitely the RIGHT step to take for Linux. Now, if some great writers could come up with APPLICATIONS to fit onto the EWM desktop, I might consider dual-booting between Vista and Linux, rather than Vista and XP Pro w/SP3. Donald L McDaniel
U mm, I should remember that's not what it seems to mean. Meanwhile, back in Compizland: Nvidia 6200LE PCI-X w/128mb, amd 1.6mhz, 2gb ram@333mhz, Suse 10.3 Real nice. Gnome sucks. KDE kicks MS GUI a**. Yeah, where it leads.
Because your lack of experience w/the GUI is stated in your reply. We could choose to be bottle fed as you MS folks are, but the have taken command of our environment. Enlightenment. KDE, GNOME, Compiz-Fusion, Xfce, Icewm, plus many others and their customizing options. The contrast here is between GIMME GIMME GIMME and let ME do it. Gotta pick your path, it's where you're headed.
Linux has applications that match Windows in every facet. I know Debian alone has over 18,000 different packages (networking tools, office products,etc). I work alot with Windows myself but when I need troubleshooting tools....I head to Linux
Sorry to disappoint you, friend, but Microsoft does NOT "rule". The CUSTOMER does. If we don't like Vista, and Microsoft fails to listen to us, we will simply go somewhere else, taking our money with us. That is how fickle we the Public are. Don't believe it? Ford Motor Co. and the Designers LOVED the Edsel, but the Public didn't. WHERE ARE ALL THOSE EDSELS TODAY? How about the Italians during WWII? They all LOVED "il Duce" (Mussolini & Co.), but both he and his wife were evenutally fed to the pigs after being murdered, torn to pieces by the hands of the PUBLIC, and then hung upside-down in a public square for several days. Probably by the same people who worshipped him as their newest Roman Emperor a few years earlier. Please don't make foolish statements like that, friend. The Public have more money and power than Mr. Gates and Co. And the Public will spend its money and use its power the way it sees fit. Additionally, the Public can make anyone a King today, with all its glories and riches, and then consign them to the Trash Heap of History once it's gotten it's use out of 'em. Those two events could be a lifetime or a day apart, depending on the PUBLIC's whim. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER turn your back by the PUBLIC. It's always better to be trapped in a corner by 'em than to be surrounded by 'em. "Why?", you ask: To which I can only reply, "If you're surrounded by the Mob (the Public) you'll only be able to take a few of 'em down with you; but if you're trapped in a corner, you'll be able to take more down, since they won't be able to get at ya from behind, and will only come at ya from two directions, rather than four." After all, in the end we each only have one brain, two fists, two feet, and 32 teeth (or a knife, or whatever we can lay our hand on, if we have no teeth). Usually though, the Mob (the Public) won't have one brain between 'em (the "Mob" mentality takes over, and closes off the "intelligence" centers of their brains, leaving 'em with only one of two thoughts: "KILL!!!", or "HAIL, CAESAR!!!"), so we'are actually at an advantage if we have even half a brain in our heads. If we can't handle two men at a time, we're done for. I close with a belated, and hearty, "Erin Go Bragh!!!" to all those good men and women everywhere who claim even a cc. of the "Old Sod" in their blood. All of ya: raise a glass to our kinship with the Irish everywhere. Donald Lee McDaniel 18 March, 2008
I have tried e17 and found it amazingly smooth, allthough I would say that because i am a Linux fan. It truly is something you have to try for yourself the whole desktop loads in a matter of seconds unlike vista. It is visually stunning and easily configurable, pity it has been in development for 5+ years. it is the killer app/desktop to thrust linux forward.
despite your pontificating about bottle feeding and picking one's path (yawn)... the desktop GUI in question, Enlightenment, still looks like shiite, uninspiring and amateur. btw, i wasn't speaking about the OS itself, just the graphical environment. compiz-fusion, previously beryl, if i'm not mistaken, is impressive, as are several others i've tried... if only one could get accelerated drivers to make these GUIs play nice with the video hardware. btw, i am be no means a MS fanboy, quite the opposite.
Eventhough I agree with what you said about people having the power in all this business.. Microsoft has done something that Apple and Unix can't reach yet, which is build a friendly machine accessible for everybody.. meaning? .. Windows might have its own faults and flaws of course.. but it can be used by a 5 years old kid or a 83 years old almost blind guy.. all cuz of the friendly user interface.. and of course the cost of it.. Apple is great and its processor is much better.. but too expensive .. I think Linux is going in the right direction in trying to get more people to use it.. first step, make it user-friendly.. of course, for techies this is not relevant.. but let's face it.. microsoft makes its money from those people who dont wanna deal with 'How-to' use it.. they just wanna see something pretty and working in their monitor.. simple truth.. well that's my 2 cents to this article.. Eventually (I hope so), Lilnux will come up with customer, business and development versions so everybody can be happy in case they dont like either windows or MacOS :)
the end user only cares that if they point and click button X action Y will happen. they don't care what causes it. they only care that it happens.
There is no question that business's are tied to applications that make their operations function, *but,* the price you pay for that, both in money and time can be counter productive. It is clear, we have reached a point where some legacy applications are *never* going to work satisfactorily in Vista. It is equally clear, that for Vista to work even at a pace that equals XP, requires higher specified hardware. All this cost money. The (so called) ease of use that Windows provides, requires a bloated system to be able to call on all the thousands of drivers it may potentially need to use. I would suggest to you, that when Windows 7 finally sees the light of day, it is likely to be a whole lot different to anything that has gone before it. Therefore, it is highly likely yet again, legacy software will be redundant. All this means IMHO that the money men in business have some hard choices to make. At some point in time, they are going to be forced to "upgrade" their systems. They can choose to follow the Windows route, in the full knowledge that every few years from now to kingdom come, they will be forking out again and again for new machines, new software and all the upheaval that is associated with it. Or, they can go open source, where the system costs (probably) nothing and spend their money instead on a quality support contract, that will gently upgrade their systems (hopefully) seamlessly. Yes, it *is* a huge break from tradition, but inevitably, those choices *will* have to be made. As an aside, I found PCLinuxOS to be the best system for wireless networking. Wired networks in Linux are a non-event.
I agree with lastchip that the underlying system is immaterial, even if it is better (I have been using linux for about a month and have fallen in love with it...). However, there is another reason that people fail to cast Microsoft aside. Most business applications today are still tailored for Windows. For example, consider the two major programs used in accounting: Quicken and QuickBooks. Neither of them have a version for linux. There might be a *better* open-source version, but people are very reluctant to leave behind what they have gotten used to. That brings me to the other reason that people continue to use Windows. Most schools use Microsoft operating system. Although there is a recent shift towards Novell, school and business networks are primarily Microsoft. The last reason that people continue to use Microsoft is for its ease in networking and other common tasks. I have spent -hours- trying to get linux to find wireless signals, and ultimately failed. All the distributions I tried *recognized* the wireless card, but found no networks, or the network manager malfunctioned. On some computers, ubuntu fails to connect to the internet. The problem is the linux is not the best option for _all_ computers (feel free to challenge me on this). I would also like to briefly reply to another comment here as well. Many people in this thread have mentioned that linux is extremely customizable. Sadly, most users just don't care and most network administrators (try to) restrict all customizability. The point is that linux confuses people, something that has been much exaggerated also by Microsoft propaganda. One does not have to be a Ph.D programmer to use linux. Anyone can use linux!
While I consider your post on the whole to be perfectly reasonable, it is no longer true, Windows is the only user friendly game in town. I don't know if you have tried the "Ubuntu" family (Kubuntu in particular), but you couldn't get a much more user friendly system than that. I would argue PCLinuxOS even more so. In fact, lets look at it from a slightly different perspective. Load any Windows system onto a computer and what have you got? Certainly not a productive working machine. Sure, you have a browser, some other odds and ends, but for any sort of work, your going to need as a starter, an office suite. No doubt other essential applications will spring to mind depending on your usage. Contrast that to a default Linux installation. Just about everything you want from scratch; some would say, too much choice. Now lets consider maintenance. Windows as a minimum will require anti-virus software and anti-malware software. The web has thousands of sites devoted to sorting out Windows problems. If you don't scan at least weekly, your likely to get something nasty. That can hardly be caller user friendly. By contrast, I've run Linux based machines for over a year now with none of that and as far as I'm aware, no infections. Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide pay people like me to sort out screwed up Windows machines. That simply doesn't happen in Linux. Updates in Windows can be automatic as indeed they can in Linux. So no difference there. When I use my Linux machine, I point and click, just like Windows. What is not user friendly about that? In the gallery from where this all started, Jack Wallen demonstrated personalising a desktop with not a command line in sight. Everything was done via a mouse. How is that not user friendly? One final example. Recently, my eldest daughter came home and her laptop was playing up (XP). It's a company machine very specifically configured for their network, so rather than investigate, she borrowed my PCLinuxOS laptop to browse the net and make contact with a few of her fiends via MSN. She immediately used Firefox, which she was used to from Windows and was happily surfing the web. She asked me if she could connect to MSN so I showed her where to do it and she was away "chatting" to her friends. The fact that the underlying system was Linux was completely immaterial. Point. Click and use the keyboard. That's all there is to it!
I don't know...my 84 year old mother and father in law use Kubuntu -they're grandparents and half blind, just not brainwashed by the Microsoft way of doing things. They often comment how much easier it is - things just run and if you decide to do or add something that doesn't work out so well, you get a error message in plain english or a list of what you do have to do first to make it work. If you don't like something it's easy to make go away. Forever. It doesn't linger on the system like a dyspeptic ghost. There are so many choices you just pick and choose, customize to your hearts content. It's like when I was a little girl. There was a gorgeous dolly my grandmother gave me - but it was a one off and the clothes she came with were it. That's Microsoft for you. Like it or leave it. I prefer Barbie and the thousands of fabulous outfits I can get (but without paying for them!!) That's Linux - this new interface looks okay, but a bit pedestrian for me. I'm sure if I tried it I'd move on looking for something other than a comfy jumper - maybe that hot new bikini or that slinky sequined gown...