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With a 85% customer base of over 65 years of age, that some have been using Windows since W-95, can you imagine what we'll go through when they get their new PC's? Has anyone thought about that?
This new OS interface sucks, I actually like windows 7, but this OS on my laptop, no dice, I will not use it, I guess I have to start thinking about Linux again, almost made the jump because of Vista, now I guess I should have now that I see this.
Reading all these posts which seem to be by desktop users moaning about the tablet interface Metro, it seems Microsoft are to blame for not making it clear that Metro isn't meant for desktop PCs. They should have made Win 8 detect if it was on a desktop and automatically booted to its normal desktop (albeit minus the start button). I have posted several times that many posters here seem to think they HAVE to use Metro which is a bizarre idea and not what Microsoft intended I'm sure but MS shot themselves in the foot by letting desktop users see Metro at boot time and misleading them like this. Incredible.
This is the Ugliest OS i have ever worked on. it's like they copy pasted parts of different OSs and used them as a complete OS. The Desktop is the same old desktop but they just removed the start button and they got the Android and IOS sliding style. IMO this will be the second mistake by microsoft ( the first being Vista ) and they will fix (i hope) in a later OS.
Plan to stick with win7. Much of the 8 features (social networking stuff for ex) won't even be allowed in our "shop" for security reasons. Looks like Microsoft is carried away by the Iphone, Ipad and Android phone mania. For real work that one expects to get paid for you need a desktop. Will hold off from upgrading my home pc's too. Now almost half the home network is Apple oriented and will probably keep going in that direction. MS as an organization and concept is getting to be too tiresome.
I am increasingly finding practical use for a tablet that would allow me access on the fly without having to fish out a laptop, boot it up, and then do a quick change (password, permission, etc.) for one of my users. Look around and more an more folks are moving towards mobile devices whether we like it or not. What Microsoft is attempting makes some sense. I use Android devices and avoid Apple because it is one more OS to support. I'm going to do what I've learned to do with all of the "changes" that come our way. I'm going to give it a fair chance where appropriate but I will also stick Windows 7 where that continues to make sense. What I'm not going to do is dismiss Windows 8 before putting it through its paces and waiting for it to mature a bit. If Windows 8 means I can avoid Ipads in our school, I'm going to take a hard look. Its not that I'm anti-Apple, I'm not, but as the sole support for two campuses, I want to limit the number of Operating Systems that I support. Beneath Windows 8 will be enough of the same that I don't feel the shift where needed will be too taxing.
Looks like a POS for primary school children or special needs students, though maybe it was just designed by people with really fat fingers...
This desktop is down right ugly, which I can't get past, with each new operating system Microsoft puts out, pushes me closer and closer to Linux. I need control, can I change the look and feek of the desktop? Can I remove what I don't want?
I would really hate to work next to any of you guys....spare me from the princess complaining; oh the horrors which you so called computer savvy gurus you claim to be....LMAO...you sound like my 6 year old daughter who seems to find the littlest thing to complain about although she has yet to try it.....crayola coloring (ANDROID FAN) ....LMAO...HAS anyone thought about all in one systems....We will see how much of a learning curve there will be, but listening to you so called I.T. techs...you are struggling with the concept of click option to desktop mode....lmao...You say W8 looks to simple....android is best for personalization but complex (ya right)...iOS is simple less in allowing personalization....let me break it down....W8 for desktop with option to turn off metro...then you have WT8.... and WP8....I for one would welcome having the devices which work seamlessly together ....the potential is unlimited, will there be glitches yes, will there be up hill climb yes...having an alternative to the android and apple mantra is priceless this I.T. Guy welcomes the alternative and doesn't see a learning curve that cannot be overcome...LMAO ..
All the years of learning, customizing, tweaking and evolving, and it all comes down to this?!!! Face value, it looks like Windows for kindergartners. What are they trying to do, dumb us down by making us feel like we're dumb? It may be fine for chimpanzees with touch screens or cashiers at McDonalds, but this interface won't get installed on my PC. If there's a way to turn it off, I might reconsider, but until then, they can stick it.
Wow..., metro looks rather immature and juvenile! this is the best they could do... Staying away from Metro! Hopefully Desktop performs well and didn't take a step backwards!
I'm getting the impression that this OS is built around the app market to make it easier for microsoft to sell me stuff, increase their application library and mitigate the development costs for tablets. All great for microsoft, but I don't see what it has to offer me.
Lots of negative comments, unfortunatly. I look forward to trying it and seeing how it will benifit me both professionally and personally. New Technology takes a few times to get used to, which is the case for anything new. From the looks of it through these slides, "Smartglass" examples and from E3, the potential is vast and cutting edge. I do beleieve that there will be a lot more to like than not to.
Leave well enough alone. Win 7 has been good to me after the Vista bomb and I have grown to like it better than XP which was a good OS. MS should just keep improving Win 7 make it King of all OS s out there. Instead of building fluff and puff. MS could have added a Metro feature on Win 7 for those who wanted but no lets change the entire game. I know companies get tired of having to get new OS s in order to make a pice of software they have been using to continue to work. Does MS do market research before they jump? I am staying with Win 7 as long as I can, it works. hint hint MS. Goes for your phone 8 as well.
I think the hysteria against Win 8 is due to the media persistently focusing on the Metro mobile interface, especially when using screen-shots. Those journalists should be censured. This photo is of my main monitor with a bit of my second one showing and is the way Win 8 appears all the time on a desktop and is how the media should be illustrating Win 8 for desktop readers. You will note the date (far too clunky but is optional!) is way back in March. http:\\briansphotoblog.com/miscimages/win8-3.jpg
From the beginning of the slideshow to the end, there is no feature that you (yourself) was impressed about, more than expecting in every slide that soon or later MS to better it, and yet you praise it as it is a complete OS? I bet this is complete BS. I wish there could have been a better OS than Android (for me the only OS that tries to remain the Operating System and not kids toy), but my guess people will be taken with this BS things and move along with it like what iOS did to the society (Though its 1,000,000,000 better than Windows).
The more Microsoft tries to make an OS look and perform like a phone, the less inclined I'll be to adopt. Windows 7 was hard enough to change up to, let alone something that moves so far away it's unrecognisable. I returned a HD7 after 9 days of trying to make it work like a HTC HD2, but I gave up, because Microsoft don't want us to have functionality any more. It's like they live under the belief that when someone installs IE9, they're going to want the menus turned off by default so it's less usable. Congratulations Microsoft, you've done it again, with a brand new, unusable OS.
I can understand Windows 8 being released for many portable devices, but I don't see it as a step forward. I think Microsoft just comes out with a different OS every few years to give the programmers something to do. I support putting people to work, but build something solid for desktops and then run the touch screen OS on the portable devices. Why not iron out the bugs on your current OS and make enhancements; I fear this drastic change will be many time worse than Vista or ME.
I've tried the WIN 8 Preview, and did not like the new "Metro" GUI, it's fine for tablet users, or those having touch screen monitors, but as I don't have either the first thing I did was disable the Metro interface, then re-enable the start globe and start menu in order to make it look and feel like Windows 7 ... so what's the point ?
I've tried that three times now and if fails on all three, hard to use, the browser itself leaves you with a totally empty computer you have to rebuild and upload all over again, security is as bad as ever....another microsoft joke while these ipods and notebooks are slowly waking up to fact they have no power compared to desktops....
I've been using it exclusively on my desktop at work since the Consumer Preview was released. You can just live in the Windows 7 world if you want, but I'm finding that it's a nice platform for apps, and increasingly use the Start screen as intended. And the idea that you can judge an OS from a few screenshots is absurd.
I see a lot of negative comments referring to the Metro UI. If I can click a tile and the program I want to run runs, then WTF? Who cares tiles, icons, can someone really tell me what is the big deal? Heck, it was time for a facelift for the whole windows platform. I think it is brilliant as more computing will be tablet COMPUTING not just consuming, and Windows has positioned themselves to make a wave as big as the iPad. So there!
Hi Everyone, I installed this version 2 weeks ago... i am very use to Run command and i was not able to find out in this... if anyone knows how to get the Run Command pl. let me know... Thanks, Deepak
This looks cramped and hysterical. For my desktop, I would not mind having "live icons" instead of "tiles" to replace my xp/7 boring static desktop icons, but phone/tablet screen design I don't want to see on my desktop.
nothing to the Microsoft people as they don't care about user needs, just the MS bank account. May I suggest you look at Zorin OS Linux as it has a set of GUI options that include Windows 2000 (ie Windows Classic) and Windows 7. http://zorin-os.com/
Today, tomorrow, a decade from now, whenever you're ready Linux waits. I can say similar from this side of the divide, as I think the new Linux window managers all suck now too. The difference of course is I have elected not to use any of them. I've opted instead for an older version, installed into a new distribution, that I do like. Which while not being an ideal solution is some small comfort none the less for me. With Linux if I don't like the roll I'm given I can recast the dice. I'm not saying it is always easy, but the potential is there.
Zorin OS Linux as it has a set of GUI options that include Windows 2000 (ie Windows Classic) and Windows 7. http://zorin-os.com/
GUI and it's Metro. Even if you can use a click or two to get past Metro it's a bloody stupid way of doing it as it's no trouble to include code to allow a setting to ignore Metro and go to the another GUI if it's there. There's a clear indication that the Metro GUI start screen is the ONLY way to get started on the system and that some versions of Win 8 will have an app that allows you to run some old style desktop applications; but that does NOT say the old style GUI is there. Anyway, most users I have to deal with still want the Classic Windows look and the indications are that the critical special applications they use will NOT run on Win 8 as the companies have no plans to make a Win 8 version at this time. So I doubt I'll have much to do with it in the field.
Going that route is like out of the frying pan and into the fire. You could have just installed Linux on your PCs.
Than when what other people do negatively impacts me. So Win8 looks like a bit of poetic justice for the Microsoft using world to me. I run Linux so Windows generally has a negative impact on me due to its ill gotten monopoly status. I'm anti-Apple. I'd rather see people run Microsoft. At least then when Windows users break their computers I can fix them, and install Linux onto them. I might as well take advantage of the one positive facet of Windows. It increases the pool of computers I can acquire. Apple doesn't even have that going for it for me though.
are in favour of Win 8 Metro for Tablets like the Microsoft Surface PRO, but are against it for the standard desktop computer as it's a retrograde step for the desktop. It would be so simple for Microsoft to provide it with two GUIs, but only if their coders had enough savvy to be able to code them both to work, and it's beginning to look like they do not have that much technical knowledge.
Like many things in life the more you put into it the more you're likely to get out of it. So it all depends on how willing you are to work at achieving what you want. Some pretty dramatic things are fairly trivial to do though. Like say if you wanted to switch to XFCE from the more mainstream Gnome, or KDE. I should say you can not only change the look and feel of your desktop, you have quite a number of totally different Window Managers to choose from. See this site for some examples: http://xwinman.org/ Ha ha ha too funny they still have a link up to FVWM95, looks and feels like Windows 95, kind of. That is the WM I started out with. Then I moved on to AfterStep, which is a bit like NextStep, after that I ran WindowMaker for a long time. Then I finally came around to KDE, but over time that changed in ways I didn't like, which almost left me out in the cold. Today I run KDE 3.5 (Trinity Desktop) on Debian Squeeze. Something Debian doesn't offer, but I'm doing it anyways. How is that for control? P.S. check out XFCE it appears to be a classic windowing environment to me. Like do an image search of XFCE screenshots. Then you can see it has a taskbar, desktop icons, a Start menu of sorts. All the stuff we know and love right? Personally today I can't get by without window shading, focus follows mouse, and delayed auto raise too. Oh, single click to launch has grown on me anymore too. Double clicking is for spazzes.
The desktop is identical to Win 7 my friend. You may be referring to the Metro window? If so click on the tile marked desktop in large letters and banish Metro. Simples.
the final version will almost certainly be like the current version they have out. So if we take Microsoft at their word, what are you complaining about? Or do you have info they've been pouring out a lot more BS than normal.
the general user. Try thinking about what most enterprise users do on their computers at work and how this Metro GUI will slow them down and make life much harder for them, then make a comment that isn't based around you love of your touch screen cell phone you use for texting instead of WRITING texts.
You'll get lots more bills to pay. They plan on nickeling and diming you. Which in today's tight economy is a smart move on their part. Like my grandma used to say, pennies add up to dollars. These are crafty people we're dealing with here. Well, you're dealing with them, I run Linux. That puts me tens of thousands of dollars ahead of the typical Windows user adding up total technology expenses over time. I got off the Microsoft merry go round a long time ago, which has been all great for me.
Win XP and Win 7 has been good to me also. The only thing I find wrong with Win 7 is that in Windows explorer, the bread crumbs are a bit harder to use, and the folder tree likes to jump up or down when opening a folder. I also have a problem (this may be off topic) of Win 7's explorer locking up (not responding) when moving files from one hard drive to another allot. I have 5 drives in the computer and 3 external drives. I have been plagued with this problem since I installed Win 7. Sure would like to know why it is doing this. Other than that I like Win 7, and think the Win 8 interface looks like a toy for children. I just wish MS would fix all the bugs in one version, instead of screwing with the interface all the time. They did that with Office 2007 and 2010 with the ribbon interface. The programs still do the same thing, but you have to learn another GUI to do the same thing. I'm still running Office 2003 as it does what I want. Same with Win 7.
"Windows has positioned themselves to make a wave as big" I get this mental image of Steve Ballmer doing a belly flop. Too funny! The same kind of drugs you have to be on to act like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc Get you Windows 8
Was Steve Ballmer the guy behind MS Bob? If so, that would go far toward explaining the dopey Metro UI.
That's why I say MS have shot themselves in the foot. Forcing PC users to log on using Metro then clicking a link to get to the normal desktop is going to confuse many. I expect someone will come up with a startup batch file that does all that for you. As for the Start button, rumours are that MS is removing any possibility of using a third party utility to create one as is possible on the beta versions.
I recall Melinda Gates was the HMFIC of the Bob project, although she wasn't Mrs. Bill in those days. Let's not forget another of Bob's legacies: Clippy and his friends. Those guys were still alive in XP, in the form of that mutt built into the Search tool.