Xbox 360 S (2010) complete teardown
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Great job... Could you tell me what does the HDD look like on the inside. What type of connectors I would need for computer connection? (HD failure/format right after I transferred my old data so...trying to recover it)
I just bought one of these Slim 360's NOT HAPPY. The Wireless N built is crap. My old 360 N adapter was much much better. I am going to have to go wired now or take my slim back. Cannot play online with it this way. I have checked my network amongst other things. Found out I am not the only one with the wireless issue.
I know M$ went with a different wireless protocol on the xbox originally, but why not add the ability for Bluetooth in at this point. My bluetooth headset for my phone can be connected to multiple devices. Would be interesting to chat while playing on line and be able to answer my mobile with the same headset.
Idiots at Microsoft still have the GPU and CPU too close, now they put ram with it? Not buying it, I was thinking of buying the slim if they fix the RROD issues since my original bricked, major issue being the CPU heatsink being merged with the GPU heatsink, they just make it bigger and one less fan? Well, I'm getting rid of the 15 games I have and going to another console, this is what pisses me off, they never learn from their mistakes. ME > Vista, come on.
Thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely take your suggestion to heart. I have several gadgets just waiting to be taken apart.
On launch the Xbox 360 came with a 90nm process for CPU and GPU. Just like the old Pentium 4 CPU clocked at 3.2Ghz, very HOT!!. (of course not the same architecture or speed.) The next gen came with a 65nm CPU, Basically like Core 2 Duo when it came out. lot cooler right? GPU is still 90nm Same problem, hot hot. Third gen came with 65nm CPU and 65nm GPU. a lot cooler. Now its a 45nm on the same chip. one larger cooling fan on top. better heat sink with copper core. M$oft learned their lesson in fast engineering and production. that's what you get to be the first on the block. Sum it up I think the Xbox360s is a much needed overhaul of the console. With this it should last another 5 years until next gen xbox360 (720?). Would I buy? Hell no. I got the 65nm X2 Xbox now, works fine.
Maybe their welds are better this time... yeah right can wait for the next string called "RROD mayhem for New Slim Xbox360" im going to laugh the first thing I said when I seen the first Xbox 306 was this is going to be bad there is not going to be enough air flow so I didn't buy one and guess what their problems are heat LOL I mean when was the last piece of hardware besides Xbox you bought from Microsoft what a keyboard a mouse... They over night became experts in hardware to make a console wow! I would stick with Playstation they been at it since the dawn of consoles next to Nintendo and Sega. Microsoft just $$$ and wanted in and built this thing called XBOX their best design ever then they thought they were smart and built the 360 (FAIL!)... Now the geniuses decided oo well lets make it smaller hmmm... (FAIL! AGAIN WATCH). Playstation went slim and what! no problems yet LOL good try Micro$oft but you should get back to the basics of the console AIR FLOW and logistics of your main board... What a bunch of NUBS
How much difference IS there between that and the old two heatsink two fan beast that was prone to overheating. Is this one actually better in that department?
Microsoft combined the Xenon CPU and Xenos GPU in one package at 45nm. You will also see the smaller EDRAM daughter-chip on the package as well.
I owned collections of everything from Vinyl albums, 8-track, cassette, vcr, cd, dvd, dvd+, and bluray. I particularly don't care for the 3D technology because or the glasses you have to wear. In my opinion the Bluray 2D is the best of the lot. I also have 3 PS3's, 1 XBOX-S all work correctly. The trick to keeping your consoles working is placing a $5.00 walmart fan blowing into the air intakes with ample air space around them not closed up in a cabinet. HEAT build up is the culprit. computer laptop game console repair, 15 years. Try it you will like it.
Much like the iphone getting flash, it will never hapen, blu-ray is a sony/phillips baby, sony...ps3 no brainer give your competition a leg up Sent on a motorola droid WITH flash, and a proud owner of a WII and Ps3, on a 58" sony bravia lcd always read specs and then buy the best, I am in broadcast you all are IT?? Act like it....house engineer with exabytes of sans...read that again
It does nothing for games. PS3 games don't look better and they aren't bigger. In fact, Blu-Ray's slow read speed means that developers have to use the extra space to duplicate data across the disc to speed up access times. The future is digital download. Blu-Ray is the main reason that the PS3 is languishing in 3rd place because of its $600 starting price-point. Sony killed the Playstation brand to push yet another failed format. Remember the PSP and UMD??? Where's UMD now?
More expensive technology that we didn't ask for and don't need. I have my Beta machines, my MD recorders and no Blu-Ray!
I'm not going to debate which console is "King of consoles", because as far as I'm concerned, it's down to personal preference, and with the fact that at any time for any period, a customised high performance PC can out perform any console on the market. With ease. Now the facts are Microsoft are similarly as new to the market as Sony is, and though being a console behind generation wise, for what it's worth, Sony and MS are on level pegging, if not, MS have the slight higher number of gamers. But who cares, we're talking about hardware problems, right? Now I distinctly recall when the PS2/3 slim ranges came out, along with the psp series, they all had numerous hardware issues, including jamming doors and disc read errors, power supply problems, hazardous controllers etc. Does that mean Sony should have stuck to Walkmans? I hope not, as they have had a lot to do with driving the games market out from underground. No longer is the phrase "video games" swearing. The issue is to do with the complication of sizing down the power. Nintendo are heralded in Japan, and MS struggle to ever break into the Japanese market because whilst in America, big isn't a problem, in Japan, it very much is! However, Sony face that same problem too, hence why they aren't very popular in it's home country. And let's be realistic here. Yes it's all about the money for all companies, because let's face it; if it wasn't I'm sure we'd still be playing ping pong on the Atari.
Sony's systems are not fault proof either. I used to work at a store that repairs video game systems and we got just as many Sony systems in as we did Xbox systems. The main issues with the Sony systems were stuck disk drive doors, disk read fails, memory card read failures and.... believe it or not....overheating. The PS2 "slim" does have major overheating problems. It doesn't give you any lights, it just mysteriously quits working. But when we opened up many of the PS2 slims, we found them full of dust, lint, hair etc. They have very small fans and poor air flow design compared to the PS2 "fat". The PS3 has a poor air flow design too considering how much heat the processor puts out. All of these 'next gen' systems have heat problems. The problem is that they try to have bigger and bigger processors, video cards and disk drives, all of which put out a lot of heat. At the same time, they try to make the cases smaller and quieter. It just won't work. The only way to make systems quiet yet still cool enough for todays high heat parts is to do liquid cooling. It also helps if people lay their systems (all of them) on their bottoms instead of on their ends. Also to give them at least three inches of clear space on all sides. And to sit them on flat, smooth, clean surfaces. And to clean them at least once a year. Don't be a fanboy. None of the game systems out there are perfect. This is TechRepublic, not Playstation Magazine's website. Keep the rants to a minimum please.
i dont mean to be a dream killer but the playstation 3 suffers from a yellow light of death just google it YLOD
"Introduced in the Xbox 360 S was the XCGPU where Microsoft have integrated the Xenon CPU, the Xenos GPU and eDRAM in the same package. XCGPU is manufactured on a 45 nm process." I too would like to see it, although I imagine it's not that exciting.
"Blu-ray Disc was developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association, a group representing makers of consumer electronics, computer hardware, and motion pictures." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc "The "Blu-ray Disc founder group" was started on May 20, 2002 by MIT and nine leading electronic companies: Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG (Lucky GoldStar) Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung. In order to enable more companies to participate, it announced in May 2004 that it would form the Blu-ray Disc Association, which was inaugurated on October 4, 2004." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association Sony and Philips are NOT the only ones with their fingers in blu-ray land, the second link shows there are dozens of companies involved, between the board and contributors. It possibly would be more correct to say that with Microsoft having nothing to do with the Blu-ray development, that the chance of Blu-ray drives being added to the 360 are very, very slim. However, considering my laptop is NOT made by Sony or Philips, and it came standard with a blu-ray drive, made by Hitachi-LG, then I'd say blu-ray on non-sony products is not only possible, but already here.
BlueRay... stop gap? maybe. It's also the media of choice for home 3D (along side that HDMI 1.4 connection and those 120Hz 3D TVs) LOL... it's the only media actually for that right now. Digital Download? Maybe once fiber becomes standard to the house. I still prefer to have a say over when and where I watch movies though, even where Internet isn't available.
While I may not totally agree with stop gap, go to your local best buy or wal-mart and see what's on blu-ray When the beta v. Vhs wars came out, sony had the better product, porno drove vhs sales, up till around 1997ish what you watched on tv or cable was in fact beta sp 3/4" surfboard in the studio shot in a betacam on beta sp 3/4 micro" the defacto standard of broadcast Sony will relagate it to broadcast if it don't work or pass away in consumer, I am pretty sure you will pick up my 4 pound with wireless and battery 50k dollar sony HD cams next week at sam's club Let's not talk about trickledown effect to sams Blu-ray is what is sent to us on the tv side, most the time we get emailed a raw file for the radio side I use it in house strictly the os button if one of the...figure the higher end on capacity, ssd's do not belong in a san, 6 individual exabyte san's for just 24hrs of todays video 20 individual exabyte sans off site in 4 co-lo dc's the company owns, for the curious we have multiple private oc48 fiber loops all interconnected, if it is on the san its off the internet, we run solaris servers
Blu-Ray is the greatest media in ten years. The capacity is massive and durability is incredible. I have yet to find a scratched B-D disk and I usually buy them used!
Hell, the only reason I even have ANY Blu-ray at home, is because it came standard with the new tower I got. And I didn't want to pay to have it removed. No interest in blu-ray, wasted tech.
THINGS I WANT TO SAY: AS A CONSOLE REPAIR TECH, 1. USE AN EXTERNALLY POWERED FAN TO COOL YOUR PS3/XBOX (NOT A USB POWERED OFF THE SYSTEM, IT JUST MAKES THE INTERNAL POWER SUPPLY RUN HOTTER, GENERATING MORE OF WHATS CAUSING THE PROBLEM). ALLOW A PLACE FOR ALL THAT HOT AIR TO GO. 2. CLEAN THE DUST OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM REGULARLY (3 TO 6 MONTH INTERVALS). HEAT BUILD UP IS THE MAIN CULPRIT WHY THE DELICATE BLURAY/DVD ELECTRONICS FAIL. 3. EVER SINCE MY FIRST FEW REPAIRS, INFORMING MY CUSTOMERS OF THESE FACTS HAVE RESULTED IN ZERO COME BACKS SO FAR. 4.I AM RUNNING 2 OLDER PS3 (G01-K01, 640GIG)REPAIRED SYSTEMS OFF OF EBAY. 5. ALL CONSOLES HAVE A DESIGN COOLING PROBLEM IN MY OPINION. 6. PLAY YOUR BLURAY DISKS ON A DEDICATED BLURAY PLAYER INSTEAD OF YOUR CONSOLES, WHY USE YOUR EXPENSIVE CONSOLE TO DO WHAT A CHEAPER, REPLACABLE DEVICE CAN DO. 7. STILL REBELIOUS? WHEN IT BREAKS, BRING IT TO ONE OF US. I'LL TAKE YOUR MONEY FOR NOT TAKING MY ADVICE!
The occurrence of the YLOD is still less, and happens on mostly OLDER machines that dust has built up in. RROD didn't even wait for any dust buildup before failure.
BRay has so many production issues to make it worth my time. It is better suited as a DataStorage of movie content. Just burning BR-DVD's, 2 hour movies takes 6 hours, let alone the conversion and authoring time. As a DataDVD with 28-40?gig of storage, a BR player that reads VC-1.wmv's, could hold maybe 10 HDV.resolution 2.x hour movies. I have no HDV,1280x720 out put on my editor, just 16x9. But guess what? It appears full screen on an HDV.resolution hdtv. HDV resolution is likely 80% of what consumers have bought to view hdtv signals. HD,1920x1080 will show a 16x9 video signal, letter boxed, black top and bottom, where you use Zoom to view full screen. BR-DVD is still linear, higher bitrate=larger filesize=higer quality. BR software and burners are priced well these days, it is still the correct OEM blank media for that burner, where it fades to dust, unless your buying 1000 blanks at a time. POV