Foam finds new life
December 5, 2008, 12:10pm PST | Length: 00:06:14
At the AlwaysOn Venture Summit in Half Moon Bay, Calif., J. Brian Hennessy, chief marketing officer of Mobius Technologies, explains how the company has found a way to turn industrial waste--things like old insulation and the foam from car seats--into resins and glues. These glues are strong enough to be used to manufacture OSB (oriented strand board), a building material used in everything from houses to furniture, and at very little extra cost to the manufacturing companies.
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Male Speaker: We're a little unusual. We're not
organic, we're inorganic. We use inorganic
chemical-based products and turn them into a resin and
glue at an industrial level, at a very high level of
sales capacity. And we go everywhere. We go --
building materials, OSB board, plywood, MDF and so
forth, to the possibility of rubber using recycled
rubber. And this is a very interesting market we're
looking at now. So we call it MPU or eco-MPU --
micronized polyurethane. It's about 200 microns or
less, okay? And we discovered that this form of gold
dust -- actually comes in different colors, but this is
the color we've got right now -- provides a glue that is
capable of matching and beating in some interesting ways
the highest performing glues in the business, glues
referred to as PMDI, and MDIs. So the feed stock comes
from flexible PU and rigid PU. There's approximately
500,000 MTs available to us in the total market space of
raw material feed. A million of that is -- I'm sorry,
the 500,000 that goes now into underlay carpet,
packaging, and sound insulation, of which 400,000 of
that is used now for your carpet backing. And the price
for that is $200 per metric ton, but that price varies.
It's very volatile. So we actually acquire this with
long-term contracts and suppliers love us for that,
because some days that will be zero value. In terms of
the rigid foam, 300,000 metric tons, of which 250 comes
from insulation panels, automobile headliners, about 12
pounds her car is waste industrial PU. And there's no
application for rigid PU. So in Europe, for instance,
right now you have to pay to have this stuff hauled
away. There's a lot of restrictions on even hauling PU
in a truck. In the U.S., obviously, this stuff goes
where. It goes in a dump and it stays there for 5,000
years, maybe, before it changes into something
different, all right? So the first application that
Dean Bundy Assumed spelling our CEO, by the way if you
speak French or German say hello to him afterwards.
He's the gentleman with the beautiful tie in the first
row there. Dean had the insight when he came on in '06
-- the company has been around since '98. And the
initial model didn't work. So Dean comes in after three
start-up engagements in China, Europe, and the U.S.,
going from scratch to about 10 or $11 million in each
one with small teams. Very effective management.
Another turn-around prior to that. He does the most
beautiful thing I think any great CEO does. He turns to
the chemists that are left from the days of the bad
business model and he says gentlemen, what can I do with
this powder. Very simple question. And you wait two or
three beats, and a chemist has never been asked that
question before say, well, it's a resin, Dean. It's a
glue. So in '06, two-and-a-half years later, it took
that long to convince the German firm that we're with
now, that we're selling to, that this powder actually
replaces the best, most expensive, the Bentley of glues
in the OSB board manufacturing industry. It took
two-and-a-half years. And they tested it, and they
tested it, and they tested it. So, do we have a patent?
Yes, we have a patent. It's a composite patent. For
those of you who know about composite patents, they're
very difficult to obtain. The reason this is beautiful
is that you can see the actual MPU material right there.
So we can go to Lowe's or Home Depot, cut a board, put
it under a magnifying class, and if it's not us making
it -- well, we'll know. That's a plant in Germany that
Dean worked at two-and-a-half years with the engineers.
They have -- every enterprise in this industry has at
least three or more plants. So each plant, essentially,
is a cascade with one plant buying first, and then
therefore we go to France and then we go to Poland with
this particular customer. That's obviously an OSB line,
and it's going into press. Right now the temperature
that our resin needs to react -- it's a chemical, it
reacts under heat and pressure, okay? It's not a
filler, it's a binder. So at 170 degrees centigrade
this recycled PU reacts, and it binds just like a glue.
So that's a cooling board, OSB. OSB is everywhere,
folks. I mean, sheathing, floors, roofs, furniture.
And the irony is the chair you sit on at home to watch
TV is foam rubber, right? Which is the raw material.
And the frame of the chair is probably OSB. So the
application in the marketplace. Right now 30-plus
percent of the total manufacturing costs for material
products such as wood, and we're not just in the wood
business, engineered wood. We're looking at rubber,
possibly plastics. We have a chemical, right? 40, 50%
Inaudible of the cost is the resin itself, and that
increases proportional to the petrochemical index at any
given time. So we replace 40 to 50% -- actually, we're
replacing 60%, okay, as of March, February -- 60% of the
Bentley of glues is getting replaced by recycled trims
and waste polyurethane. So here it is. Now you say
well, how do you get it to the plant, does the plant
have to change its culture to accept you, is there a lot
of friction. There is no friction. This costs them
maybe 150 to $200,000. This is a bag of MPU. It's just
conveyed via this PVC pipe into this big tumbler. And
that's it. They already use particulates in
manufacturing this particular product type. So there's
no big cultural shift, no big acceptance transition that
needs to occur. All you do is you get the CEO to say
after you do a bunch of tests, they save a lot of money,
he goes yes, let's do it. And you go from plant to
plant to plant to plant.
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