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1? 2? 3? There Goes Another

By Peter Warren ·
In the world today, on each and every day of each and every year, a child starves to death or dies from hunger related diseases every three seconds. 1... 2? 3? there goes one. 1? 2? 3? and another 1? 2? 3? and another 1... .2? 3? one more???.

And what is the response of our government, the ?Christian values? people in power in America? The silence is deafening isn?t it.

1?2?3? another child 1?2?3? and another. While the ?Christian family values? Republicans plough hundreds of billions to the wealthiest Americans, while they pour hundreds of billions into Iraq, and hundreds more into our war machine, remember - 1? 2 ? 3? there goes another.

While the ?Christian? right fights against birth control, reproductive choice and AIDS vaccines; while it wastes our time and money on futile attempts to outlaw all things sexual outside of marriage between one man and one woman; while it rails against homosexuality and vilifies its opponents, remember - 1? 2? 3? another child gone.

While Republican supporters twist all logic in a vain attempt to be both Christian and free-market capitalists, remember - 1 ? 2 ? 3, another child dies

The farcical tragedy of America?s ?Christian family values? Republicans and ?Christian? right is that they are even less Christian than I am. 1? 2? 3? 1? 2? 3??................... ?????????????????????????????????????.

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like what Winston Churchill said

by mjwx In reply to free market

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others we have tried"

The same really applies to free market.

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Oh, I forgot

by Peter Warren In reply to free market

That's right; the world was such a paradise before those evil governments interfered in the sacred free market. For the love of whichever god you choose, give us a break will you.

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No, it wasn't

by TonytheTiger In reply to Oh, I forgot

but it would have been a lot closer by now if the governments had limited their interference, and it's clear that the standard of living is higher in inverse proportion to government interference.

Peope want freedom... freedom from as well as freedom to. In a free market, people can have any standard of living they are willing to work for. The only people who would oppose such a system are the dishonest and the lazy.

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I think a fark.com meme is needed here

by jmgarvin In reply to 1? 2? 3? There Goes Anoth ...

"Die in a fire." This isn't meant literally, but in a figurative and highly "WTF are on you," way.

New Mexico is a nanny state. I GIVE a TON of my paycheck to the state. I get very little out of it. The roads are craptastic and the services offered to me are mediocore at best. However, the reason I pay so much is because this is a nanny state. I pay for OTHERS to live off MY dime. I pay for food, shelter, medical care, etc, etc, etc, etc, for those that can't afford it. I'm FORCED to pay this. However, I give money to the Catholic church, which does the same things, but more efficiently.

The church spends my money on food, clothing, and medical care that goes DIRECTLY to the those that need it. With the state, I'm paying for all the state workers that are overhead, along with the massive amounts of paper and equipment they buy. Not to mention the corruption at all levels....

Which is better?

While you rail against the Christians, you've done nothing to help. Why not FIX the f'ing nanny state and make things right? Why not start a care center? Why not actually give money ($20 per month goes a LONG way in various charities) and WORK to fix it.

Before you even start:
A) I am not Christian (I guess I am, but I'm a recovering Catholic...I'd fall more on the agnostic end of the spectrum)
B) I am not a "right winger." I'm a Libertarian. STAY OUT OF MY POCKET!
C) The government is the LAST resort in many cases. There are a few, but that boils down to utilities and monopolistic business that HAVE to be that way (eg power, water, etc...I also think oil should be considered that way, but the way things are going I'd be strung up and burned in effigy)

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The real problem

by Peter Warren In reply to I think a fark.com meme i ...

-- New Mexico is a nanny state. I GIVE a TON of my paycheck to the state. I get very little out of it. The roads are craptastic and the services offered to me are mediocore at best. However, the reason I pay so much is because this is a nanny state. I pay for OTHERS to live off MY dime. I pay for food, shelter, medical care, etc, etc, etc, etc, for those that can't afford it. I'm FORCED to pay this. ?

What?s the matter? You don?t like nannies? Sorry, couldn?t resist. I think the problem isn?t that you are giving; the problem is that we Americans don?t force our governments to spend our money on our real needs. Instead, we get let them spend most of it on pork for corporate interests, tax breaks for the wealthiest among us, war by choice instead of necessity, unnecessary arms and a host of other nonsensical projects. And then, having been hoodwinked by a lot of rubbish about how our so-called conservatives are merely orchestrating free markets, we begrudge the relative pittance these same "conservatives" toss to the poor.

-- However, I give money to the Catholic church, which does the same things, but more efficiently. --
-- The church spends my money on food, clothing, and medical care that goes DIRECTLY to the those that need it. With the state, I'm paying for all the state workers that are overhead, along with the massive amounts of paper and equipment they buy. Not to mention the corruption at all levels.... --

Congratulations on your status as a recovering Catholic. I mean it. It?s no small feat to escape the mountain of propaganda. But don?t forget the Church?s other side. While they do spend some money on the people they feel are worthy, they also have spent, and continue to spend, a fortune on the Church itself. And since the Church does not have to pay taxes, all of us are subsidizing the Catholic Church, as well as every other organized religion practicing in the US.

-- While you rail against the Christians, you've done nothing to help. --

I?m not railing against Christians, just the hypocrites and liars who cloak themselves in the mantle of Christianity. There?s a big difference. I can?t imagine Jesus Christ being pleased with these phonies. What I can?t understand is why so many Americans who identify themselves as Christians tolerate this usurpation of their faith. If George W. Bush and the self-righteous, rightwing, religious bullies who love him are Christian, than I?m John the Baptist.

PS: Watch that talk about government being the last resort for controlling the oil companies. Pretty soon they?ll be calling you a godless, commie rat. Take care of yourself.

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What?

by TonytheTiger In reply to The real problem

"And since the Church does not have to pay taxes, all of us are subsidizing the Catholic Church, as well as every other organized religion practicing in the US."

You are so deeply entrenched in the entitlement mentality that you see nothing wrong with the above statement. PEOPLE are the only entities that pay taxes!

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Clarification

by Peter Warren In reply to What?

--You are so deeply entrenched in the entitlement mentality that you see nothing wrong with the above statement. PEOPLE are the only entities that pay taxes! --

Businesses pay taxes on their assets and income. Churches ought to pay taxes on their assets and income, or bow out of the political arena. True, the people working in these organizations actually pay, but I wrongly assumed this went without saying. My mistake.

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Business don't pay taxes

by stan In reply to Clarification

When government "taxes businesses" all they are doing is having the business collect the tax from their customers and send it along to the government.

Basic economics.

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Basic lack of common sense

by Peter Warren In reply to Business don't pay taxes

So when an annual report cites income before taxes, subtracts the taxes, and then states net income after taxes -- we should shrug our shoulders and ignore the difference. OK.

Basic lack of common sense. If taxes are so evil, let's eliminate them all. I'm sure everyone who is lamenting their horrible tax burden will be the first ones screaming for such extraneous government services as police, fire, roads, schools, favorite public works, military protection, disaster response and recovery, etc. When these services are unavailable, and you no longer have a civil society to make your sacred money in, how long will it take you to reinstitute government and taxes?

Stop looking a gift horse in mouth. You've benefited immensely from the society made possible through the intelligent use of tax revenue. If you don't believe it, try setting up shop beyond the confines of civil society and see how far you get. Nothing makes less sense than a business person complaining about taxes while the institutions supported by those taxes are the very reason he or she can succeed in their endeavors.

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taxes

by jdclyde In reply to Basic lack of common sens ...

When a company turns a PROFIT, they pay taxes on that profit.

They then pay their employees, and that money is again taxed.

The money is double dipped on.

This does not include property taxes.

Complaining about taxes. It is when the money is not FAIRLY taxed that many complain. When you keep penalizing people that are successful just to suppliment people that do nothing with their lives, people DO have a right to complain.

When the tax dollars are wasted on things like a lifetime on welfare, art exibits, or even paying farmers NOT to grow a crop, again there is a right to complain.

The Fedreal Government is currently doing a lot of things with our tax dollars that they have no constitutional right to do, making what they do illegal.

We need to stop wasting tax dollars on "aid" packages that go directly into the pockets of corrupt leaders of other nations.

A fine is a tax for doing something bad.
A tax is a fine for doing something good.

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