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100,000 deaths, the reality

By Oz_Media ·
"On the O'Reilly Factor, retired Army Col. David Hunt said it is "confirmed," evidently from his sources, that coalition forces have killed over 100,000 Iraqi military."

"As reported in Friday?s newspapers, the estimate is being treated with considerable skepticism. The motives of the editors of The Lancet were questioned in The New York Times story (tucked away in a single column on page A8), because the study was released in a special Web version before The Lancet?s usual publication date. It is as if the Times were implying that such major news should have been held until after the election. Over at the Washington Post, a researcher for Human Rights Watch criticized the study's method by alleging that the sample was too small. HRW and some other groups have tried to count casualties by using documents, such as press reports. Those estimates have been around 17,000 Iraqi deaths."

"In the study, teams of researchers led by Dr. Les Roberts fanned out across Iraq in mid-September to interview nearly 1,000 families in 33 locations. Families were interviewed about births and deaths in the household before and after the invasion."

So in actuyality what has happened is these pople HAVE conducted an survey based on a reasonable sample when compared to sample sizes used for polls in the USA.

These deaths are NOT ALL DUE TO US ATTACKS THOUGH. These deaths include ALL deaths, the VIOLENT deaths are said to be 2.5 times higher than before the invasion and that's ALL it proves.

"Before the invasion, the most common causes of death in Iraq were heart attacks, strokes and chronic diseases. Afterward, violent death was far ahead of all other causes."


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IN the USA rough stats:

14.1 to 1,000 child injury death index
2.2 to 1,000 die from maltreatment

152,921 due to other accidents including; MV (non-traffic), Drowning, Fire/burn, suffocation, falls, natural/environmental each year.

So I suppose including all the other hundreds of ways that children die each year, drugs, abuse, illness and natural/violent deaths, America could also dig up a similar if not far greater number on thier own child population deaths. AND THAT'S JUST CHILDREN!


The issue is that the 100,000 total taken from Iraq is NOT attributable to the Iraqi invasion, they may well have had 100,000 deaths, but this is only said to be a 2.5% increase in violent deaths due to the nature of the fight in Iraq.

Take your stats and look into them next time instead of wasting everyone's time for days on end and then proving that you had a knee jerk reaction and did not qualify your statements.

This stats includes ALL deaths Buicky, not just those directly attributable to war in Iraq. The increase has only been a small percentage over regular deaths. One also must take into consideration the mental state of families interviewed and how they will attribute almost any death to the hostilities in Iraq.

These are FAR from any relevant or accurate numbers, maybe you can get your record to stop skipping now and get back to reality.

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No worries Scott.

by Oz_Media In reply to Oz...why bother

Guys like this are just excercise, he has no ability to form a logical thought or conclusion based on facts presented it's not exactly a battle of wits!

This guy even thinks he is giong to achieve something by convincing people he's mad.

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Those Nasty Republicans

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100,000 Dead Iraqi's

by ProtiusX In reply to 100,000 deaths, the reali ...

Ok Bucky since you won?t pony up I thought I?d do it for you. The number of dead Iraqi?s that the DNC and leftist media keeps spewing forth comes from a survey report from John Hopkins University (Boy they?re centrist aren?t they!) that claims ?about 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the war?.
When one looks at the figures of the study the only conclusion is that these results are a load of tosh.
?The report's authors derive this figure by estimating how many Iraqis died in a 14-month period before the U.S. invasion, conducting surveys on how many died in a similar period after the invasion began (more on those surveys later), and subtracting the difference. That difference?the number of "extra" deaths in the post-invasion period?signifies the war's toll. That number is 98,000. But read the passage that cites the calculation more fully:
We estimate there were 98,000 extra deaths (95% CI 8000-194 000) during the post-war period.
Readers who are accustomed to perusing statistical documents know what the set of numbers in the parentheses means. For the other 99.9 percent of you, I'll spell it out in plain English?which, disturbingly, the study never does. It means that the authors are 95 percent confident that the war-caused deaths totaled some number between 8,000 and 194,000. (The number cited in plain language?98,000?is roughly at the halfway point in this absurdly vast range.)? ? Fred Kaplan MSN
So there you go Bucky my boy. Put that in your saucer and spin it.

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How Many

by Bucky Kaufman (MCSD) In reply to 100,000 Dead Iraqi's

Yeah - I already knew where the figure came from, and that it's *wildly* inaccurate.

The point I was making, and which y'all Bush Loyalists were proving - is your casual disregard for the value of human life.

100,000 - 90,000 - 50,000 - how many have to be slaughtered before forces loyal to the Bush Regime start feeling good about themselves?

I think the most reliable figures put the death count of innocent, unarmed, noncombatant civillians closer to 30,000 - that's not including the Iraqi soldiers killed in the initial invasion - just the innocents.

You got all up in arms about 3000 innocent Americans being killed, so why do you now so enthusiastically defend the deaths of 10x as many innocents?

Is it because their skin is brown? Because their church is not your church?

You guys originally supported US-backed terrorism because of nuclear bombs, but you were proven wrong. You said it was becasue the Iraqis are al Quaeda - but you were proven wrong there, too.

Now you say the dozens upon dozens of thousands of dead Innocent Iraqis are necessary to... replace their broken democracy with another equally broken democracy?

Are you aware that there is no plan to withdraw US-backed death squads and torture brigades after the January elections?

What will your excuse be then - faith?

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Get over it

by Oz_Media In reply to How Many

Bucky, you are months late. THis conversation and defense was used by me and MANY others whenit actually mattered.

What do you want Bucky, do you want Protius to give GWB a call and tell him he's changed his mind and doesn't support that war? Get real, you are completely insane with your too little too late argument. There is no point to prove, so you have no goal to reach, don't you get it? HOW and WHY do you STILL argue such points of no value?

I did notice you called me a Republican though, this is quite amusing. I have had every label in the book here, but Republican is a new one!

Now go wash your mouth out with soap and come up with something new to talk about that everyone hasn't already heard 100,000 times.

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Value of Life

by Bucky Kaufman (MCSD) In reply to Get over it

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HOW and WHY do you STILL argue such points of no value?
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What makes you think the lives of innocent Iraqis have no value?

I'll answer yours if you'll answer mine.

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That is not in question

by Oz_Media In reply to Value of Life

Now first of all, we are not discussing the value of Iraqi lives, we are discussing the FACT that GWB has been elected for a second term, and you can't do ANYTHING about it other than complain.

Yes, war is a hrrrible sate of arrairs for any country. No I do NOT agree with the way the war was entered without proper justification or support from allies. NO I do not think Bush is an able leader of the US. Now obviously MOST Americans think otherwise.

But do you know what? He IS leading you for another four years.

I Do care about the lives of innocent Iraqi's, I also care about the lives of the soldiers who are being sent to die under this idiots thumb. So what? Who cares? America didn't because they elected him TWICE. So what can you do about it, other than simply complain and refuse to get on with your life?

Get oer it.

Now, for MY question (you said you'd show me yours if I showed you mine),

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE BY COMPLAINING ABOUT BUSH HERE AND CALLING PEOPLE NAMES?

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Deny and Deflect

by Bucky Kaufman (MCSD) In reply to That is not in question

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Now first of all, we are not discussing the value of Iraqi lives
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I guess it was the topic sentence about "100,000" dead Iraqis that threw me. My bad.

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You freak of nature

by Oz_Media In reply to Deny and Deflect

You are a complete moron to come to such idiotic conclusions, get some help.

You do it all the time, have never made any sense in this not any other thread and just waste time, what a loser, you are simply a cyst to society. Nothing productive yet lots of issues to ***** and whine about.

THis thread is NOT about the VALUE of Iraqi lives, IT ISN'T I STARTED IT AND WOULD KNOW WHAT THE FRIGGIN TOPIC IS ABOUT, AND IT IS NOT ABOUT THE VALUE OF ANYONE"S LIFE Yes you are horribly wrong and it is "your bad". If I didn't know better I'd say you were seven.

This post, that I started, is 100% about your attempts at making an issue of an unrealistic and an unqualified, irrelevant statistic.

Now even YOU agreed it is wrong, therefore you LIED by stating it's relevancy in every discussion for the last few days.

I am done with you, people told me you were a nutcase but I thopught you MAY have a little common sense, my mistake, you are an utter and complete freak of nature, and you teach CHILDREN?!? When your student ask you a question, do you simply start asking them questions?

Well I can confidently say, I'm glad my kid went to school far away from you, he would be in an asylum by now (and me in jail).

What a tool

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You sick f***

by G.Brown In reply to 100,000 Dead Iraqi's

All you do is quote some "statistics" ... as just about anyone knows ... most of these are made up!!!

If you ask me ... the "exact" number doesn't really matter ....

Anyone with an unbiased view can see the atrocities being perpetrated, apart from people who just view it as collateral damage to satisfy their "morality"

"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities commited by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." George Orwell, 1945

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