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By FluxIt ·
Research is currently ongoing into a concept of 3D data storage and is intended to replace current mechanical methods of storing data. The ole spindle and platter may become an artifact in the Smithsonian next to the phonograph.

The entire concept centers on holographic principles. Under this theory data is stored when concentric propagating spherical waveforms collide forming a constructive / destructive wave pattern that is then 'gathered' and imprinted on a recording surface. Typically in this process highly polarized light (laser) is split into a reference beam and a data beam. The data beam is reflected off of some object then joined with the reference beam causing the interference pattern that is recorded.

If developed it may be possible when combined with asynchronous processing that highly intelligent synthetic life may come to fruition.

Currently, I am trying to visualize how this data is stored in the interference pattern. Does anyone have a good explanation?

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by FluxIt In reply to That's one approach

Looked up the book from MIT Press. Looks interesting.

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by FluxIt In reply to That's one approach

on Conceptual Space theories. It appears to me that it really is a sophisticated way of discussing fuzzy logic. The systems methods of discerning and mapping cross spatial correspondence is to use fuzzy logic mathematical algorhythms in the nuerons on a nueral net evaluating the information from receptors contributing to input space (input level of a neural net). Processed information (blended space) is then used to further evaluate information at the higher levels of neural processing.

I have never viewed neural nets as purely discrete processing of a decision tree. In fact, I always viewed them more in the context of this Conceptual Spaces Theory. I guess one could look at neural nets from one of three view points; A discrete system, conceptual methods implemented via software, or a complete unit having hardware backend and software components. I tend to view the neural nets in the latter.

The inputs of a neural net are a constraining point. Not until more sophisticated sensors are available will neural processing be able to achieve appreciable results.

I started a discussion on nueral nets earlier, "NEURAL NETS AND PROCESSING". I would like to get some discussion there.

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by FluxIt In reply to 3 DIMENSIONAL DATA STORAG ...

The human intelligence is fascinating. The brain is the physical operation of thought. There are various types of neurons; sensory, motor, inter-nueral. There is a maintenance feature built in that is a watery solution full of cells known as GLIA. The brain itself has many folds and its surface area is immense. Apart from the physical is the mind where conscious thought occurs.

The thinking process begins with the emission of a calcium ion into the GLIA that causes a ripple. If the holographic principles apply that ripple may collide with others causing an interference pattern that is some how imposed upon the surface of the brain. Sensory devices (eyes, ears, nose, tongue, and skin) influence which nuerons fire to cause the correct interference patterns to form and 'burn' into the brain.

If a 3d storage system can be built to behave in a like manner it would be incredibly awesome.

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The Quantum Mind

by BFilmFan In reply to MIND - BRAIN THEORY

I recall reading an article recently (I want to say it was in Science) where some researchers were speculating that the mind may arise from quantum effects. I will see if I can't dig the issue up and post which one it was.

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by FluxIt In reply to The Quantum Mind

is something different. What they were attempting to explain is how consciousness is attached to the biological. What that theory suggest is that there are these microtubules made of protein that possess the quantum property of superposition. These tubules become unstable and collapse causing what is termed as a 'stream of consciousness'. The theory is not well accepted among most scientist but is interesting.

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by Dwiebles In reply to 3 DIMENSIONAL DATA STORAG ...

If I understand the basic principle here, Your reference beam is a constant accross all platforms. The interference pattern that is stored is a combination of the actual "data" beam and interference beam. Here it becomes not unlike a math problem with a single variable. If you have the "reference beam" as a constant, and the sum of the beams, or the "interference pattern", you can thereby subtract the constant from the sum for the original data. In some tests storing a single beam with no reference returned a high percentage of loss, but adding the reference beam with the interference/subtract method is yielding much higher results. Isn't the dicovery channel great! :)


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by FluxIt In reply to Well,

suggesting that the information can be recovered using fourier analysis? In electromagnetics there are a set of mathematical formulas used to model behaviors. Fouriers is one such set.

This suggests that data stored is a function of amplitude. It could also be possibly a function of varying frequency too but amplitude appears to be a more correct solution.

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Caveman's attempt at a take on it...

by ivanong In reply to 3 DIMENSIONAL DATA STORAG ...


I thought it was a cubed/massed object. say for the sake of this discussion 1 x 1 x 1cm "square". Whereby each "spot" of its mass is mapped in the X , Y , Z cordinates. Therefore each "spot" can be magnetically charged to I or O.

In this scenario the 3.5inche platter + Housing can be scalled down to 1cm or less object. Which would probably be easy to house and does not need any motor spindle or much power to drive it.

A caveman would probably go about producing such an product by : Scrapping the surface layer of all his HDD and then chopping them up to bits (taking care to put the correct surface at the top of course) then supergluing them up to a stack - the eventual product will probably be about the size of a eg. 3mm/Sq cube ?? (Pardon me here , but the technology at this point becomes a blur to me but am sure those guys wo invented the MRI in hospitals can think of something.) - use the freakin MRI (size 8 x 5 x 7 feet) gizmo to charge/retrieve the data. -

Now you know why they call me the Caveman.

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by FluxIt In reply to Caveman's attempt at a ta ...

Your viewpoint is quite unusual.

Current computers do not actually use a rectangular system to store data. They operate on a frequency having amplitude (radius) and oscillating signal (angular reference). In the end it is a spherical coordinate system that is then computed into rectangular coordinates for conventional data storage. The computational time slows the system.

Gains can be achieved by dropping this and using spherical coordinates directly to access data in the storage device. Changing storage device technology completely can gain even higher results.

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Uh Huh !!

by ivanong In reply to UNUSUAL VIEWPOINT...

Uh Huh ! So it can be done !.

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