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A German's view of Islam

By sleepin'dawg ·
This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His
references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well known and well respected psychiatrist.

A German's View on Islam

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II,
owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many
German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our
attitude toward fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis," he
said, "but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more
were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the
Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let
it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had
lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost
everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that
Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of
Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified
assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish
the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one
of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who
systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout
Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour- kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.
It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape
victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the
"silent majority," is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live
in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the
murder of about
20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese
Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the
systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by
sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it
not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all
our posers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated
of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't
speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one
day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and
many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak
up until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the
only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just
deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the
passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself
a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands,
world wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before
it's too late.

Emanuel Tanay, M.D.

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by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Two things


The church intended to save my soul for jesus.

To that end, they used everything from peer pressure to legislation, to make me a member when I was an unformed babe in arms, and then to force feed me their dogma, before I had the experience to make my own judgements.

That's the modern day civilised church.

So I am judging on intent, claim to be a member of a church, and you claim that brainwashing is justified.

I apologise advance to any church that does not indulge in this disgusting practice.

There must be at least one....

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OK JD, seeing as I'm being labelled as banging the drum

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Two things

for my 'faith'

Here's wee roll.

The fundamental tenet of the christian faith is that Jesus died to redeem us from our sins.

Leaving aside I don't accept the christian definition of sin, and that by definition if I'm not a christian I cannot have sinned. Redemption to me is an unwholesome cop out for those who wish to avoid responsibility for their actions.

So my faith says I should be judged by my actions, not excused from them because of my faith.

Can you and I agree on many points in day to day life where we interface, yes.

Me and the church, no. And they knew that, that's why they made me a member when I was six months old.

For my own good of course.........

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To Tony

by Forum Surfer In reply to Two things

I'm sorry you feel you were brainwashed from birth. Not all churches are like that. None of the ones I have attended are.

It's that very reason I don't send my son to a private religion based church. I want him to make his own decisions once he reaches the appropriate age.

But should anyone base all of thier judgements on one's own bad experience? Isn't that half of the problem we're facing in the middle east? Shouldn't we all try to be a little open minded regardless of our experiences without saying all muslims, christians, zionists, pagans, mexicans, africans, anglicans, americans, canadians or whatever are all bad?

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What else am I meant to base it on ?

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Two things

How about

My eight year old granddaughter tells me she wants to be a Jehova's witness when she grows up.

That's another one of my experiences.

People waffle on about the horrors of islam, same methods, different god....

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by Forum Surfer In reply to Two things

My nephew wants to be a firetruck. Children repeat what they hear and sooner or later they all come home spouting some non-sense.

I've met several atheists that are arrogant and assume me to be a close minded fool incapable of rational thought if I have any sort of faith. Shall I assume every non christian is like that? Or should I attempt conversation and maybe even a little tolerance?

Racism and bigotry know no bounds, and I've seen alot of it directed at people of faith. I hear that "organized religion" part alot. Unless I stay in a box, I'm a part of organized religion in some shape or form whether I like it or not. It's not all bad. And most people that say it is haven't spent alot of time going from church to church, denomination to denomination participating and making their own judgements like I have.

I work with a devout Muslim, **** his name is even Mohammed. I've carried on many conversations with him about tolerance and bigotry. ****, we even exchanged office Christmas gifts, even though that is clearly not his religion. I find it very odd that he and I can often carry on a very in-depth and non-insulting conversation much more easily than say myself and someone who is against or doesn't agree with christianity.

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If you feel I've insulted you, that certainly was not my

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Two things


If you feel I've insulted the church, that was not my intent either. If you find the truth insulting, well it can be on occasion, live with it.

Your kid can never be a firetruck, no matter how hard he tries, well short of transformers becoming real.

No one took him to the let's be a firetruck club, no adult said to him , you should be a firetruck, no one told him he was going to burn in **** for all eternity if he didn't become a firetruck.

My granddaughter could very easily end up as a witness though, that technology already exists, it's called the church, you know it works, because if it didn't we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Not insulted in the least

by Forum Surfer In reply to Two things

Actually, my kid has been around alot of firetrucks due to some volunteer work I do. He's been around coulntless firemen and ems personnel. So yes, he was influenced into that a little.

We can't isolate our children from influences. Is being baptized as a baby and attending a religious school where it's beat into their head daily too far? In my opinion...yes.

I didn't make a decision to attend church and explore my faith because I was brainwashed into it. I made a concious decision as an adult to do so.

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If you can say catholicism is not christianity

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Point of clarification

then you can say shi'ite is not islam. As soon as you do that you are arguing interpretation of the word , not it's fundamental validity (to a believer). Then you can change minds, you can discuss, debate, have a dialog.

Step down the christianity or Islam is evil, you simply alienate everyone who considers themselves a member of those faiths no matter their interpretation....

It's no different to saying all french are smelly, all americans are boors, all black people are subhuman, any other hate fueled drivel.

As for your who did what to who first argument, first depends on where you start, that sort of stupidity always ends in the same place though.

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a point to consider

by j-mart In reply to If you can say catholicis ...

Mankind has been creating their gods in his own image since the beginning human existence, so it is not so uprising god is used as an excuse for many of the nastiest things done to mankind by mankind.

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Sorry again,

by JackOfAllTech In reply to Remind me, what were Chri ...

I'm truly not aware of any deliberate omissions, please explain.

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