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A German's view of Islam

By sleepin'dawg ·
This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His
references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well known and well respected psychiatrist.


A German's View on Islam

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II,
owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many
German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our
attitude toward fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis," he
said, "but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more
were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the
Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let
it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had
lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost
everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that
Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of
Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified
assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish
the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one
of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who
systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout
Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour- kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.
It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape
victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the
"silent majority," is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live
in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the
murder of about
20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese
Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the
systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by
sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it
not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all
our posers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated
of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't
speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one
day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.


Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and
many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak
up until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the
only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just
deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the
passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself
a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands,
world wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before
it's too late.


Emanuel Tanay, M.D.

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Fundamentalist Islam desires to end our culture? BS

by Oz_Media In reply to Enemies of Civilization

Fundamentalist Islam desires to end our culture, BEING ADOPTED BY THE PEOPLE OF ISLAM, they don't give a crap about our culture, that's teh whole point. They just see too much of our culture being introduced and adopted by their own people, which completely goes against Islamic rule, and why should they adopt it?

I'm not defending Islam or Islamic extremists, I am simply saying that THEIR problem is that OUR lifestyle crosses their borders and THAT they reject. seeing us at war in their nation simply shows them that we are willing to use force in order to instill our beliefs on THEIR people. Whether its religion, clothing, music, food etc. it is simply seen as US invading THEIR culture.

It's no different than all the people who say that if we didn't fight them, we'd become a mainly Muslim nation ourselves, which is of course complete BS.

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The timeline

by road-dog In reply to Fundamentalist Islam desi ...

9/11 preceded Iraq and Afghanistan. They attacked our military and financial institutions here, not there.

If they were wanting to control the Western influences on the Islamic world, then they would do it there... at their borders.

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Sure that makes sense

by Oz_Media In reply to The timeline

If you are unable to see the bypocrisy in what you just said.


The Taliban(Students Islamic Kowledge Movement) are but one radical group of many, (think Christian crusades)have been at arms with America for decades over these issues of what they see as western culture being forced upon them. In reality it is a younger generation adopting and welcoming western ways (not just American ways, in case you haven't noticed these similar terrorist actions have been going on forever in other nations). However they see this as being forced upon them as it is a result of the media coverage from free democratic nations; Baywatch, Vegas, Disneyland, and al that stuff.

This is NOT just about the Taliban, there are MANY other Islamic fundamentalists up at arms now. the Taliban just chose to show their distatse for western culture by flying planes into the WTC. This doesn't make the numerous UK bombings and other terrorist actions throughout the world Taliban terrorist actions though.

Just as allies have been in and out of Afghanistan and other middle eastern countries for years now, trying to settle it down with the attraction of personal financial gains, they also bring the fight to you. That's the hypocrisy, others can walk in and attack them but when they fight back it is unwarranted.

TYo suggest that controllign western culture in teh Middle East would be done at their borders simply shows a complete misunderstanding of how western culture is instilled around the world.

Look at Accasicada, the only heavy metal band in Baghdad. They speak fluent English, just like a rock star. They have posters, know the lyrics and own electric guitars, drus etc and their most common words are basic Western swear words.

How did THAT get to them in such a restrcted and carefully contolled country? Did Metallica and Slayer visist Iraw and take their culture through the borders? Of course not.

Democracy means less control of the people and less censorship.

By removing that control, western media seeps into homes in teh form of newspapers, magazines, radio and television, their youth years to adopt such culture and follow cultural icons so they adopt western culture.

To suggest even for a second that they can control the influences of American culture at their borders is naiive and completely lbind to reality.

We can't control US media on our televisions, on OUR radios etc. We have a border between Canada and the USA, but SOMEHOW, media seems to not be blocked at the borders, airwaves just slip right through when nobody is looking.

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So, before Bush

by jdclyde In reply to Fundamentalist Islam desi ...

there was peace, love and understanding in the Middle East?

Different excuses, same killing, decade after decade after....

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Gonna keep going that way too.

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to So, before Bush

It's that child of Hagar/child of Sarah thing.

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WTF are you talkign about

by Oz_Media In reply to So, before Bush

I didn't mention Bush nor do I think it is AMERICA that is the core of the problem. Go sit down.

Western culture floods their airwaves and television stations as they are forced to become les srestrictive and repressive. The people want democracy and get stars in their eyes when they are exposed to our cultures (meaning Europe as well as North America. Nothing to do with Bush, this was WAY before his time.)

If you can't see how our free cultures flood the world then you are VERY naiive indeed and need to go on holiday outside of America for a while.

It's not just America or Bush, quit being so damn conceited. You were attacked by teh Taliban, but also note that similar attacks have going on for decades.

They see OUR faith and culture being thrown at them and changing their youth, we accept the changes in our youth and just roll our eyes "kids these days".

Media makes our world go 'round. Faith and ancient religious belief rotates theirs.

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And anyone that follows that idea

by jdclyde In reply to WTF are you talkign about

is a threat to the world. Agreed.

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British couple get sentence suspended?

by jdclyde In reply to A German's view of Islam

Dubai: Sex Sentences Suspended For British Couple
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/world/middleeast/26web-briefs-004.html

"A British couple convicted of having sex on a beach in Dubai had their sentences suspended by an appeals court on Tuesday in a case that showcased tensions between Dubai?s conservative Islamic traditions and its role as an upscale international tourism and business hub. Michelle Palmer, 36, of Rutland, England, and Vince Acors, 34, of London, were arrested on July 5 on the beach in Jumeriah, an area of exclusive hotels in Dubai, after a policeman spotted them engaged in intimate contact. A Dubai court found them guilty in October of public indecency, sex outside of marriage and drunkenness, and sentenced them to three months in prison. The couple, who have been out on bail since their arrests, will be deported to Britain and pay a fine of about $270, said Andrew Crossley, a lawyer for Mr. Acors. The pair, who met at a hotel champagne brunch a few hours before their arrests, admitted being drunk but denied having sex.

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What would have happened in the US

by neilb@uk In reply to British couple get senten ...

If a couple of drunken Brits had been convicted of getting it on on a "exclusive" US beach? Maybe "sex outside of marriage" is not against the law - although is is as much frowned upon in your Holy Book as the Qu'ran - but I'd guess that they'd end up in the slammer!

I'd have given them three months inside for being totally stupid and added three more for being criminally disrespectful.

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A fine

by jdclyde In reply to What would have happened ...

for public indecency.

The fact they were not married would never have been brought up, as it would not be a factor, just as it wouldn't be in other NON-Islamic states.

We do not legislate from the Bible, as you well know.

They had just come from an open champagne bar, of course they were going to do something stupid. Being stupid in places that have "religion police" is twice as stupid.

Bet we don't find many nude beaches in Dubai, huh?

And I doubt seriously if any civilized nation would deport them over it.

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