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A German's view of Islam

By sleepin'dawg ·
This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His
references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well known and well respected psychiatrist.

A German's View on Islam

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II,
owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many
German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our
attitude toward fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis," he
said, "but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more
were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the
Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let
it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had
lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost
everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that
Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of
Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified
assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish
the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one
of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who
systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout
Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour- kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.
It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape
victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the
"silent majority," is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live
in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the
murder of about
20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese
Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the
systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by
sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it
not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all
our posers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated
of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't
speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one
day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and
many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak
up until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the
only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just
deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the
passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself
a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands,
world wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before
it's too late.

Emanuel Tanay, M.D.

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Not really my point

by neilb@uk In reply to A fine

The fact that they were arrested - and even deported - is not such a big deal if nudity in beaches is not allowed in Dubai - or having sex in public. There are few places in the world where you can go nude in public and very, very few where you can make out with your significant other.
The sex act in public is considered indecent and illegal in most parts of the world regardless of the religion. There is - rightly - a limit to how can you behave in public and if you cross that line you will find yourself in trouble.
I'm as critical of certain Islamic groups and regimes as the next man but I don't see the deportation of that couple as particularly an Islamic thing and I reckon that you will be arrested in any country for what they did. I just think that a bit of Islamophobia came in with that report.
Neil :)
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Wasn't it the middle of the night

by jdclyde In reply to Not really my point

on a private beach.

Hardly "in public".

And no, I do not believe The US, Canada, or the UK would deport someone for having sex on the beach, with the biggest crime being "out of wedlock".

Any nation that has religious laws is a dangerous place. If wasn't for the tourist trade, I am sure MUCH worse would have befallen them. Bet they don't recommend it as a vacation stop when they get home.

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Whatever you say about this

by neilb@uk In reply to Wasn't it the middle of t ...

They didn't got to jail. All they got was their visas confiscated and a fine.

As it was reported here, they got caught once and told to disappear and got right back down to it when the copper had left. Allegedly, they argued with the copper that it was "okay" and were, again allegedly, abusive when they got caught again.

Stupid woman had lived there for two years and so she knew the score. She also chose to have her story plastered all over any UK newspaper that would buy it (before the trial!) and she didn't come over particularly well. No doubt, she'll sell her story again when she gets back and we'll hear about her "poor treatment".

I merely think that if you want to find something inflammatory and anti-Islam, you could do a lot better than this pair of stupid losers.


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Maybe, from the sounds of it

by jdclyde In reply to Whatever you say about th ...

it is just something to get famous?

I heard about the televised suicide. Pathetic. And I thought we had low standards for "reality tv" over here.

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"We do not legislate from the Bible" Maybe not in Michigan.

by CharlieSpencer In reply to A fine

I don't know how else to explain the long list of 'blue laws' in SC regulating what can and can't be sold on Sundays, and what hours they can be sold.

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I don't know about "blue" laws in SC but.............

by sleepin'dawg In reply to "We do not legislate from ...

I sort of thought you could legally buy firearms, in SC, on a Sunday, as well as any other day of the week, 24/7

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Who said anytihing about firearms?

by CharlieSpencer In reply to I don't know about "blue" ...

I can't speak about firearms since I've never attempted to buy one, Sunday or otherwise. But no alcohol at all. Basically only food and medicine before 1:30, unless the county has over $1 million in tourism-generated dollars. Then the county can locally repeal the state prohibitions. Why should state laws treat Sunday differently from other days of the week? If that's not legislating from the Bible, I'd like to hear a non-religious justification.

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What you can do in SC

by NickNielsen In reply to I don't know about "blue" ...

If your county collects above a certain threshold level of sales tax, you can sell anything, anytime. Below that level, Sunday sales are approved (or not) on a county-by-county basis. About 10 years ago, the county where Palmetto and I live approved Sunday alcohol sales...sort of. You can have a drink at a restaurant with your Sunday dinner (or breakfast!), but you can't buy a six-pack at the store so you can have a drink at home.

You can buy groceries 24/7 from Wal-Mart, but at midnight Saturday night they stretch a rope to separate the grocery area from the rest of the store. That rope is to prevent you buying any non-grocery item until after 1:30 pm on Sunday.

If you ask about blue laws, you get a shrug and "This is South Carolina." Nobody comes right out and says "You should be in Church, not out shopping," but, particularly in the smaller towns, the attitude is there.

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I agree with the fining, and possible

by The Scummy One In reply to A fine

weekend stay in the slammer, however, I believe the charges would be Lewd acts in public and public drunkenness.

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No, no, no. In the United States . . . . . .

by maxwell edison In reply to What would have happened ...

.....they apply for a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts, and they not only get a free pass for their artistic piece, sex on the beach, but they get paid for it.

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