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By sidvail ·
I am the Network Admin for a local Electronic Supply company in Alaska. I have both the A+ and Network+ certifications along with a CNSE from Fluke Networks, trained in their network analyzers. My network is only 24 stations with an NT4.0 Server. I took this job over about 4 years ago, along with other duties in the company. I really like computers and networking. I do not however, have much experience with other NOS' other than NT4.0. And having moved into this job gradually, I learned it through problem solving as they occured. The certs followed.

I would like to make this my vocation, and pick up some more certs - namely MCSE. My problem though is that I have a criminal background. That has not been an issue where I work now - as I moved into the job slowly, proving my competence and reliability a piece at a time.

My question is this: With my criminal background (homicide - spent 19 years in prison)will I be hired? If I obtained more certs, and pursued Networking as an occupation, would I be taken seriously? I don't see myself moving into a head position at IBM or Exxon - but I do wonder how badly my past will hurt my chances of working in the IT field.

Any and all comments and advise is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Sid

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Religious bigotry

by steelville In reply to All I can tell you is how ...

DC_GUY: "..personally I don't believe that the major religions actually deter people from committing violence. But another employer may feel differently so if you found enlightenment through religion apply at their company but not mine.."

My, such bigotry! That is also ignorance, not necessarily your fault, since it is a heavily censored area in the "major media" nowadays. (I have personal Would you say that about "secular" programs? "Major religions" is one thing, but the previous poster referred to Jesus Christ, not any "major religion".

That said, go ask somebody who works in the real trenches.

That said, I worked as a Christian missionary. When I made that decision, it meant giving up not only illegal drugs, but a possible future in some violent movement.

During the time in the "field", I worked next to an <> ex-drug dealer, <> an ex-heroin addict (who shook it off in a 24-hour sleep when he joined the work), <> an ex-prostitute, <> an ex-illiterate who had learned how to read there, <> a former Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback who had been an alcoholic and wandered off from his family till he met us, and such really bad folks as <> an FBI agent who had been sent to investigate this Christian group and had resigned to join the work for real, <> an heir to one very major bank fortune (you'd know the name) whose inheritance was cut off for doing this.

Of Chuck Colsen, people who knew him before Watergate and his prison time where he "became a Christian", said he would kill his own grandmother for anything, and that he's different. Nicky Cruz is another famous example, New York gang member, now helping others. I met one of his ex-convict-type fruits, also now helping in such works.

Then there was John Newton, 19th century slave trader, who was so anguished over his past that he fiercely fought the practice after being "born again" and helped end it. He's the one who penned the now reknowned hymn "Amazing Grace". "..how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me.."

Visit your local Salvation Army and get an education!

>> That all said, also, at one time I came back from Latin America and saw a piece of news where maximum-security prisoners in Missouri were being taught computer programming, and another one where they were taken to the Ozarks wilds and taught survival! Now that was a really daffy decision! Sheesh!

This poster can tell you that too. Few get to where this one is now.

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that's utterly ridiculous

by valis In reply to Religious bigotry

are you saying that no christian can commit a crime? if so, you've seriously lost touch with reality.

the poster's response had nothing to do with "bigotry", it had everything to do with pure logic, and undisputable FACT. people of all religions, yes even christianity, commit crimes. and yes, even murder.

valis

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Yes bigotry is involved, look at statistics

by jbtayl In reply to that's utterly ridiculous

Nobody is perfect and you can't be guaranteed that somebody is what they say they are. But, statistics show significantly lower repeat offenses by ex-cons that have gone through programs run by Prison Fellowship vs. the general prison population.

I think bigotry does play into a refusal to consider this.

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Get Real!

by pmwpaul In reply to that's utterly ridiculous

Anybody can claim to be reformed; there's no cert or Letter from God. Accepting God helps you to live with your life, not work with your past.

Felony criminals have less than a 50% success rate.

A network administrator has access to 100% of the company's confidential information. If the company is doing e-commerce they can be held liable for any credit card information that gets out.

To make it to a network administrator position, you've got to EARN IT! On the job, produce, learn and contribute. These will out-weigh your past but your past will always be there. Going into a new company your past will have more meaning so you have to be squeaky-clean for a long enough period of time to convince others.

Yes, you can do it. But you've got to EARN IT.

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Misunderstanding

by Chug In reply to Religious bigotry

While I agree that DC_GUY could have worded it a bit differently, I think you misunderstood what he was saying. He isn't saying that religion is bad. He's just saying that religion alone is not a qualification that this person has turned their life around. If the applicant says "I've found Jesus" (or any other religion) and expects his past to be forgotten based purely on that, the applicant is sadly mistaken. It needs to be backed up by honest detailed information about the past circumstances and how the applicant has changed to make the hiring person feel 100% confident that the past won't be an issue. Yes, many people do find religion and turn their lives around, but many don't.

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Religious bigotry

by steelville In reply to All I can tell you is how ...

DC_GUY: "..personally I don't believe that the major religions actually deter people from committing violence. But another employer may feel differently so if you found enlightenment through religion apply at their company but not mine.."

My, such bigotry! That is also ignorance, not necessarily your fault, since it is a heavily censored area in the "major media" nowadays. (I have personal Would you say that about "secular" programs? "Major religions" is one thing, but the previous poster referred to Jesus Christ, not any "major religion".

That said, go ask somebody who works in the real trenches.

That said, I worked as a Christian missionary. When I made that decision, it meant giving up not only illegal drugs, but a possible future in some violent movement.

During the time in the "field", I worked next to an <> ex-drug dealer, <> an ex-heroin addict (who shook it off in a 24-hour sleep when he joined the work), <> an ex-prostitute, <> an ex-illiterate who had learned how to read there, <> a former Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback who had been an alcoholic and wandered off from his family till he met us, and such really bad folks as <> an FBI agent who had been sent to investigate this Christian group and had resigned to join the work for real, <> an heir to one very major bank fortune (you'd know the name) whose inheritance was cut off for doing this.

Of Chuck Colsen, people who knew him before Watergate and his prison time where he "became a Christian", said he would kill his own grandmother for anything, and that he's different. Nicky Cruz is another famous example, New York gang member, now helping others. I met one of his ex-convict-type fruits, also now helping in such works.

Then there was John Newton, 19th century slave trader, who was so anguished over his past that he fiercely fought the practice after being "born again" and helped end it. He's the one who penned the now reknowned hymn "Amazing Grace". "..how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me.."

Visit your local Salvation Army and get an education!

>> That all said, also, at one time I came back from Latin America and saw a piece of news where maximum-security prisoners in Missouri were being taught computer programming, and another one where they were taken to the Ozarks wilds and taught survival! Now that was a really daffy decision! Sheesh!

This poster can tell you that too. Few get to where this one is now.

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I would not!

by The witch In reply to All I can tell you is how ...

Here in South Africa we deal with violent crime as a daily part of our living and having been subjected to this environment and having to fire people on two occassions for theft, has conditioned me into not giving anyone a second chance. It is a case of living with the consequences of your actions for example like contracting HIV nothing is going to wipe your "mistake" in contracting the disease and therefore you have to live with the consequences innocently or guilty. The only way you could make a living in the networking or IT business is by being entrepeneurial and offering your services from a business point of view.
However, I wish you well and may you find your niche in life.

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Well, I disagree. No one is perfect on this earth

by James Wilson In reply to I would not!

I think it would be on a case by case bases. I can't see someone giving no chance at redemption because we've all done something wrong (on some level or another). If I look hard enough, I can see something you (and any one) has done that effects someone else. I can say this, if there is no chances given, then what other route will a person take? Think about it. If you take all avenues away from a person, then you will give them no other choice but to survive the only way they have a chance to survive, but if you give them a chance to go a good path (with checks and balances) then they can move in that direction.

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There it is.....

by GaijinIT In reply to Well, I disagree. No one ...

James,
Kudos to you, I couldn't have said it better in a million words. I wonder how quickly some of these opinionated fools would change their story if they found themselves in the same situation as sidvail? Would they feel that they should also 'burn in **** forever' as some of them have said?
It seems like for every person who takes the time to think things through, there are a dozen others with no thought to the implications of their attitudes. Hatred has such fertile soil to sink its roots in and thrive.
Thanks for keeping the voice of reason alive.

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Appropriate alias

by deepsand In reply to I would not!

Your name says it all.

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