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Alright, well what about Fort Hood?

By Oz_Media ·
I figured I'd let it sit a bit and see if anyone else mentioned it, because if I do it is Anti-American slander, but perhaps nobody is aware or interested?

Fort Hood, arguably the largest military base on Earth, has been subject to a mass killing of 11 with 31 more injured, one gunman dead and 2 others suspect.

This is a horrific incident and not unique to the US or US military tensions. I don't think it's an example of the US military, a detriment to their training or mental capacity, it is just a few of many tens of thousands of trained personnel, who simply seemed to snap.

My heart goes out to the families who were already wary of their sons and daughters fighting a war and being in grave danger, only to find out that their own brothers on their own soil had ended their lives. Nothing could seem more tragic or senseless to their parents, who will never accept of be appeased by any explanations or answers they receive.

My reason for posting is twofold, one is to offer my deepest sympathies to anyone on the base, the parents and relatives of the soldiers who fight for their nation; though such small words would never have any bearing on this tragedy.

Secondly punishment: Now as one gunman is dead, his punishments need not be discussed. apparently there are two others who were also involved though, and are in custody.

Questions: IF and that's a VERY big if, these two men are also found guilty of murder, shooting fellow US soldiers on their own base, how will/should it be handled?

Considering that this is Texas:

If they are guilty of murder, of a fellow soldier or any civilian too I suppose, will/should they be incarcerated by the army? Will/should they spend life imprisoned?

Will they be sentenced to death, as any other person found guilty of mass shooting would be?

or do you think that because they are soldiers, and because they are subject to additional stresses most citizens are not, will/should they be excused to a certain degree, have reduced sentences, spend life in jail, be put into psychiatric care etc?

At this point it is pure speculation, they are not pr oven guilty of a crime and should not be treated as such.

however this is a 'what if' situation.

What if they are guilty?
What WILL happen, what SHOULD happen?

Once again, I am very sorry to hear of this incident, in the US or anywhere else for that matter.

I make no implications of inadequacy on the part of the US military, I blame no training or soldiers, just the men who decided to execute their brothers in arms.

However will a patriotic, military overtone overlook or excuse the real, criminal actions of this man(these men)?

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by Oz_Media In reply to He's not a terrorist.

He did not want to go to Iraq due to his background, apparently, nobody knows what the real story is.

The media ran with the possibility of terrorism, as his last name indicates he's not a corn fed american boy. It simply opens up too much ignirant speculation, NO facts at all, and you will be left trust whatever they tell you is the real story.

Of course the military and government does not have the ability to twist it into something it isn't.
They can't pull the wool over citizens eyes that way, it's always above board.
They can't just say it may be linked to terrorism and could be a security theat in order to keep it from public eyes indefinitely.

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Another false assumption

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Terrorism

He was born in New Jersey. While there isn't much corn raised there, he is a US citizen by birth, if that's what you mean by 'corn fed american boy'.

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double posted somehow <NT>

by Oz_Media In reply to Terrorism
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I hadn't even considered it at first

by Oz_Media In reply to Terrorism

It was others that brought the issue to light for me, then I started to see teh media BS about it. Again as it was all new it was also all speculation, as is anything at tthis time really. But he apprently had issues with going to Iraq, whether that was a result of religion or not i do not know (which may not be impacted at all by his nationality or country of residence).

I hadn't even considered it myself, until it was brought up, to which I have consistently stated that it is premature mud slinging by the media not to be really considered until proven.

I think it's safe to assume he's not a blonde haired redkneck though, which puts an instant target on his back for many.

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to Terrorism

"But he apprently had issues with going to Iraq, whether that was a result of religion or not i do not know..."

I heard a radio report this morning that he is a psychiatrist. Among his patients were soldiers with PTSD. Possibly this played a part in his choice of actions.

Everything is speculation at this point. The news channels have to fill those 24 hours somehow.

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Yeah I'd heard that

by Oz_Media In reply to Terrorism

Early reports said he was a psychologist, which hardly excuses him for anything not that his profession WOULD excuse him anyway.

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How can you say he's not a terrorist?

by maxwell edison In reply to He's not a terrorist.

He may or may not have been motivated by the stereotypical Islamic flavor of terrorism - the jury is still out in that regard - but he's a terrorist, no doubt about it.

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Define 'terrorist'

by CharlieSpencer In reply to How can you say he's not ...

Quoting from the ever-doubtful Wikipedia,

"Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion. ... Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants."

I don't think there was any ideological goal behind his actions, or even a point of political protest. My opinion is it was a failed suicide attempt.

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Terrorist defined

by Oz_Media In reply to How can you say he's not ...

"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." - Anne Coultier

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by santeewelding In reply to He's not a terrorist.

He could not hope to wipe out the entire U.S. armed forces -- but he could leverage his one act into fear and confusion among the entire, which is terrorism, if not treason.

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