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Alright, well what about Fort Hood?

By Oz_Media ·
I figured I'd let it sit a bit and see if anyone else mentioned it, because if I do it is Anti-American slander, but perhaps nobody is aware or interested?

Fort Hood, arguably the largest military base on Earth, has been subject to a mass killing of 11 with 31 more injured, one gunman dead and 2 others suspect.

This is a horrific incident and not unique to the US or US military tensions. I don't think it's an example of the US military, a detriment to their training or mental capacity, it is just a few of many tens of thousands of trained personnel, who simply seemed to snap.

My heart goes out to the families who were already wary of their sons and daughters fighting a war and being in grave danger, only to find out that their own brothers on their own soil had ended their lives. Nothing could seem more tragic or senseless to their parents, who will never accept of be appeased by any explanations or answers they receive.

My reason for posting is twofold, one is to offer my deepest sympathies to anyone on the base, the parents and relatives of the soldiers who fight for their nation; though such small words would never have any bearing on this tragedy.

Secondly punishment: Now as one gunman is dead, his punishments need not be discussed. apparently there are two others who were also involved though, and are in custody.

Questions: IF and that's a VERY big if, these two men are also found guilty of murder, shooting fellow US soldiers on their own base, how will/should it be handled?

Considering that this is Texas:

If they are guilty of murder, of a fellow soldier or any civilian too I suppose, will/should they be incarcerated by the army? Will/should they spend life imprisoned?

Will they be sentenced to death, as any other person found guilty of mass shooting would be?

or do you think that because they are soldiers, and because they are subject to additional stresses most citizens are not, will/should they be excused to a certain degree, have reduced sentences, spend life in jail, be put into psychiatric care etc?

At this point it is pure speculation, they are not pr oven guilty of a crime and should not be treated as such.

however this is a 'what if' situation.

What if they are guilty?
What WILL happen, what SHOULD happen?

Once again, I am very sorry to hear of this incident, in the US or anywhere else for that matter.

I make no implications of inadequacy on the part of the US military, I blame no training or soldiers, just the men who decided to execute their brothers in arms.

However will a patriotic, military overtone overlook or excuse the real, criminal actions of this man(these men)?

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by TonytheTiger In reply to Addendum

Everybody dies... sooner or later...

Oh, you mean 'death penalty'...

It is, in my opinion, a suitable sentence for many heinous crimes... My problem is not with the sentence, but with the non-zero probability of a faulty conviction that may garner that sentence...

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by santeewelding In reply to Death

Attended death of the sooner kind.

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I'd like to know why,

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to Oz

when people don't quite understand what you just said, they automatically assume insult. That never ceases to amaze me.

"I don't get it. Therefore it has to be an insult."

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You have no soul, boxy

by maxwell edison In reply to I'd like to know why,

If death is not a "hot-button" issue, you have no soul, Max.

If (whatever), you have no soul, boxy.

Assume whatever you want.

P.S. You're not exactly one with an unbiased opinion, boxy. Your cyber-infatuation is obvious.

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Your earlier,

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to You have no soul, boxy

about being anti-death penalty, implies that death is a hot-button issue for you. Therefore, how is it you take his statement as an insult?

The implications I see, drawn from both your statements, are that you have soul, Max.


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Defend him all you want . . . . .

by maxwell edison In reply to Your earlier,

...... but his words speak for themself.

They were rude, wrong, off-base, and uncalled for.

If you want to defend him, knock yourself out.

But I'm through with the pompous jerk.

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She does not defend

by santeewelding In reply to Defend him all you want . ...

She inquires.

You button up.

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And what

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to Defend him all you want . ...

is not pompous about you, or me, or any number of others out here?

It's not about defending him, he's more capable than I of that. It's about stepping outside ourselves to try to understand worldviews with which we have no experience.

Infatuation? Really. Now that there's funny.


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by Oz_Media In reply to Defend him all you want . ...

Come on Max, you've said and taken far worse.

I think he's a knob too, most of the time a complete prick in fact, but then again so am I, and so are you and so is.... get it?

If you can't accept that people will disagree with you and use such comments which can hardly be seen as 'rude or offensive' then you need to lighten up a bit.

We don't live in Mayberry this isn't a rated gg website, we have PG13 conversations here. You spew out insults and flames all the time, perhaps you choose words that are lss commonly used as insults today, but the intent is identical and the result is the same.

I'm not sticking up for him in any way, I'm just saying that you are no better than anyone else here when it comes to heated arguments and getting into personal attacks.
YOu assumed I was havign pot shots at Bush and trie dot imply my reasons were predictable and not worth people's consideration, however that is entirely false, not my intent at all and thus is offensive. So what, I expect that from you.

Your calling me disingenious is no different to me than saying "f-you, I don't believe you, you're an idiot"!

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by maxwell edison In reply to Your earlier,

I'm done with this crap.

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