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Am I Crazy, or is it the rest of the world?

By CIO at Alphabetas ·
Remember all the hype in the 80s and 90s about NOT using a
single point of failure like a mainframe or one server to do
everything? Remember all the studies that showed user
productivity was down when a server that did everything was
down? Now, many service providers are pushing business
owners into using SBS as a single server solution. Why do I

The reason is, I am leaving a company that currently has 5
servers running either 2003 or 2000, and one that is an SBS

They are being told by an outsource company to switch to SBS
premier server for everything, as that is the support model the
outsorcers can handle.

Current setup: Printserver on one low end machine, Accounting
program (8 bit DOS believe it or not- no they wont change) on a
new 1U Dell
Cadserver on a fairly robust box for user shares and CAD license
checkout (This unit WONT go to SBS as AUTOCAD won't work on
SBS server has the intranet (in development) and a proprietary
Bid program that uses SQL, and we plan to use the sharepoint
and other servioces on it.

Another unit is the Master Antivirus server (Symantec 10) and
the anti spyware server (Counterspy) and finally a box as the AD
Domain Controller (the others are backup DC's per usual). These
are all really glorified desktops but run well with no issues to
date. Our backup solution is ntbackup to removable FW drives
that are capable of restoring documents in 17 seconds (and
have). All backups work and are verifiable. We can restore an
entire server in under an hour.

OK, so, since I came on and rebuilt the domain (hacked) I
installed a Symantec Gateway/IDS device and a remote control
solution from ENKOO for remote access to desktops through a
secure encrypted appliance. All licenses are current and all
desktops are managed by the AV and CS programs.

Not _ONE_ virus or spyware piece has made it in, there are
*never* any issues (no slow user authentication, no printing
issues, very rapid speedy network traffic and extremely few
issues in general), even stupid user tricks are phenomenally low
here. The fact is they dont need my services any longer and I
have trained a very bright subordinate to handle nearly anything
that comes up.
But- he is afraid of the servers and active directory, and has
passed that fear onto the rest of the executives, that if
something does go wrong they will be without support.

So enter these new guys who want to:
Rebuild the entire domain
Consolidate all server functions onto one SBS server
Take over maintenance and desktop support

They make me very nervous. The President wants Outlook
calendaring and other features made available. My
recommendation is to have our mail hosting company provide
that, or, use the SBS server to MX to the POP server, and use the
internal calendaring of the SBS servers Exchange program.

Tell me your feelings about this please.

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C'est la vie

by Oz_Media In reply to Am I Crazy, or is it the ...

Firstly good job securing your network and teaching another tech to do the same.

Secondly, if you think that your ideas or logic have ANY bearing whatsoever on what the boss does with his hardware, no matter how stupid/destructive it may seem to you, then I suppose you are crazy.

Then again, I've had an outsource company talk an employer into removing a nost solid and stable, up to date, Netware/GroupWise system with full unified messaging to take the MS/Outlook route, it's not my problem, it's HIS and the new techs. Who gives a crap?

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You are probably right....

by CIO at Alphabetas In reply to C'est la vie

So I guess I should just let go and nod my head later when they tell
me of the costs or the impact and say " Ah. well. Best of luck with
all THAT."

OK.... Letting.... Go... Now... *arggh*
Nope, can't do it yet.

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That's the right idea though.

by Oz_Media In reply to You are probably right... ...

YOU made things work, THEY decided they could do better, even against your better recommendations. What more can be said, move on and enjoy a new career somewhere else.

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I'll lend you one of my old T-shirts

by neilb@uk In reply to Am I Crazy, or is it the ...

that I used to wear when doing NetWare to Microsoft "upgrades".

Novell red. On the front, "I told you so" and on the back, "Now leave me alone and talk to the idiot who sold you this".

Wear it with pride...

Seriously, move on. It won't be your problem unless you make it so.


p.s. XXL but have shrunk a bit in the wash as they got a lot of wear. Size OK?

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by CIO at Alphabetas In reply to I'll lend you one of my o ...

OK I want it I want it!

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Could go a long way twoard explaining ...

by Too Old For IT In reply to I'll lend you one of my o ...

... why companies ***** and moan at contract firms because incoming staff is only familiar with Outlook and not with Lotus Notes / Groupwise / Eudora / whatever the enterprise "standard du jour" is.

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Ruuuhhhnnn!, Ruuuuhhhhnnnn!

by armandocanales In reply to Am I Crazy, or is it the ...

Been there, done that!


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no one is crazy. except IT people, like jaqui was saying.

by NZ_Justice In reply to Am I Crazy, or is it the ...

Adapte and change with the times. You can have the old style mainframe framework on your network, but with new measures to avoid single point of failure. you know, run parralel server so if one fails the other can be used, have a connection manager, content manager,use citrix. heaps of ways to aviod a single point of failure but still dilever in a mainframe typr environment. cisco also have a mainframe model.

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It's not you...

by gary In reply to Am I Crazy, or is it the ...

Consoladation is the word of the day. SBS makes me nervous anyway as you have so much in one place. When that fails (and one day, it will) everything will go.

The only thing I agree with them on is the usage of Outlook for calendaring and other features. To my mind POP is not the right way to handle corporate mail.

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Agree and Disagree

by CIO at Alphabetas In reply to It's not you...

I agree on SBS, but Exchange has a host of issues- one of which is
that they have no maintenance costs now and there is ALWAYS
something happening on an exchange server that requires an
Exchange guru to poke at. That is an added expense they don't
have now. Also, the outsourcer can provide calendaring...

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