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By lovicott ·
"Big Brother"
I work at a school that just implemented a new device that records key strokes and notifies of profanity and when a user visits a xrated website. The school is up in arms over this. There have been little signs put up saying "Big Brother is watching" secret meetings the whole nine. Is it a bad thing that we are monitoring out students and teachers. is it a bad thing that we are stopping students and teachers from visiting xrated, My space, the favorite chat programs, and many others. Last month the show Nightline aor a series that used MySpace anfd other sites like it to lure in potential predators. i say ptoential because thay were caught before anything could happen most of the guys caught knew they would be there to meet an underage youth. Who is the "bad guy"?

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grasping at straws

by avid In reply to Not about rights but abou ...

school is not home. plain and simple.

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Fought for Free Speech?

by feral In reply to Obviously Not Educated in ...

This is not about freedom of speech and never has been.
This about the protection of the schools network and ensuring that the students and teachers utilise the resources available in the correct manner.
You seem to forget, that, at the end of the day the school has a DUTY of CARE to the students and the parents of the students and they are fulfilling that responsibility by ensuring that students only access content for learning.
I also administer an educational network and while typing this I am processing my proxy logs and looking at which students have not been using the resource for the intended purpose which is learning related.
Oh me OH my here is a student who has managed a gig of traffic from my network to the Internet via megaupload.com, BLOODY **** now my department has to wear the cost of that!.
Well well well look at that this student who is meant to be doing research on monitoring products is hanging out on Anime sites.
Not on my watch!
And to **** with their rights, on my network they have the rights and priviledges that I give them in accordance with institutional guidelines for learning and if I have to monitor what they attempt to view and what they view, so I can build a better filter list to ensure that learing is not disrupted because a student wants to upload warez or look at p0rn then that is what will happen.
Free speech does not come into it.

Cheers

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so very correct

by Bluron In reply to Fought for Free Speech?

free speach has absolutley nothing to do with monitoring student and staff activitey on nets thru school resources. why should the publics tax dollars be used for anything than what they are intended for. how can anyone justify any activity that does not comply with the curriculum. this is not BIG BROTHER this is common sense. oh yeah i forgot, common sense is hiding out there somewere because we nead to impliment these measures. if they are so intent on wasteing resources, let them do it at their own homes and on their dime.

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Free Speech?

by earlkaplan In reply to Obviously Not Educated in ...

What most people under 60 in the US do not understand is that when you are using the equipment in a place of business, and a scholl is a place of business, you are not free to exercize all of the constitutional rights everyone fought for. The OWNER of the equipment gets to set some rules, not to limit your right to free speech but to limit your right of use of their equipment and bandwidth. Even John Kerry and Ted Kennedy probably understand this.

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in the interests of science and commerce ...

by sue.hawkins In reply to Free Speech?

If we educate/employ in the interests of either science or commerce, management studies show high acheivers do not develop in an openly repressive environment.

The equipment belongs to the owner - agreed. If the owner would like a little more bang for the buck (especially important in education) let the owner (property tax payer) provide an enviroment that respects privacy and encourages individuality. As a property tax payer, I say teacher, leave those kids alone. Maybe they will learn something, as opposed to children being cruelly exposed to shame and criminalization as the norms (of a society gone wrong).

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R U nuts?

by jvstog In reply to in the interests of scien ...

I don't know what to say except, go take your piggy bank, break it open and buy a clue.

Making teachers or others obligated to make sure your child 'has an environement' to learn or respect privacy is absurd. That is YOUR duty!

Maybe if more parents understood this basic fundamental truth these absurd strings would not be necessary.

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no children, we take it?

by sue.hawkins In reply to R U nuts?

I've been raising children all my life, and working in academia for nearly ten years. Next week I adopt two more children.

Teachers and others are obligated to treat my children with respect because I pay their salary.

You ignorance is astounding, but not in comparision with your insecurity.

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AMEN BROTHER

by archimeides In reply to R U nuts?

In this day in age of "somebody's gotta be responsible for every little thing my kid does as long as it's not me". The parents of the "hood ornament" children who thumb their noses at the adults around them who've paid their dues - student loans, longevity on the job - certifications and recerts etc, etc. These crybaby parents and their crybaby children most of whom who wouldn't know how to balance a checkbook or determine the difference between an IRA and a GPA need a heck of a lot more time actually LEARNING and a lot less time SURFING. I have plenty to say about responsibility.
But you succinctly hit the nail on the head. Responsiblity begins at home just as does learning. What happened to the notion that the PARENT is the PRIMARY teacher in a child's life????
Whaaaaaa, so the boss is looking at your keystrokes, what've you done (directed at the individual who brought this into the light) that might've led the employer to think he (or she) should spend resources on scrutinizing such activity????
If it were my computer - I'D WANT TO KNOW!!!

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The taxpayer does not have that ability

by Absolutely In reply to in the interests of scien ...

sue.hawkins: "If the owner would like a little more bang for the buck (especially important in education) let the owner (property tax payer) provide an enviroment that respects privacy and encourages individuality. As a property tax payer, I say teacher, leave those kids alone. Maybe they will learn something, as opposed to children being cruelly exposed to shame and criminalization as the norms (of a society gone wrong)."

Just as it is not possible to simultaneously prevent and prepare for war, it is not possible to encourage individuality while practicing collectivism. The best lesson about individuality to teach in this case is that rights to use property accompany ownership, and that use of others' property is not a right, but a privilege, which may be conditional, according to the preferences of the property owner. What I consider openly repressive is the claim that I, as a taxpayer, may be forced to fund a public school system where technology that fosters accountability is considered an invasion of an assumed, but incorrect, right to privacy in public.

"I before e, except after c, etc."

You misspelled "achievers".

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It's all in the Constitution

by sue.hawkins In reply to The taxpayer does not hav ...

The US Constitution and the accompanying Bill of Rights is all about collectively encouraging individuality.

Start with Plato, read political history, go back to Plato.

Beg pardon for any mispellings.

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