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"Big Brother"

By lovicott ·
"Big Brother"
I work at a school that just implemented a new device that records key strokes and notifies of profanity and when a user visits a xrated website. The school is up in arms over this. There have been little signs put up saying "Big Brother is watching" secret meetings the whole nine. Is it a bad thing that we are monitoring out students and teachers. is it a bad thing that we are stopping students and teachers from visiting xrated, My space, the favorite chat programs, and many others. Last month the show Nightline aor a series that used MySpace anfd other sites like it to lure in potential predators. i say ptoential because thay were caught before anything could happen most of the guys caught knew they would be there to meet an underage youth. Who is the "bad guy"?

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Free Speech Includes Responsibility

by Mindtickler In reply to Obviously Not Educated in ...

There is no such thing as TOTAL free speech. Get on an airplane and yell "highjack" or "bomb" and see how far you get with your free speech.

With free speech comes responsibility. Responsibility is the reason we don't use swear words or display pornography around young children.

By the same token, businesses have a right to protect their systems and limit free speech. If a business allowed kiddie porn at their work site, for example, they become liable for consequences. If a school allows the certain activities, they become liable.

Think about it for a minute. If your daughter was assaulted by a person they met on myspace you would begin to ask how they began using myspace and it would eventually lead to the school and individual teachers who allowed the activities. Who do you think would be the first to be sued in court? I've been a teacher so I know the answer to that one.

It's just not worth the risk.

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Free Speech...

by jvstog In reply to Obviously Not Educated in ...

Well, add yourself your long list of those who don't understandt the concepts and precepts of the 1st amendment.

Free speech is not included as a 'right' as you are utilizing the property of others in your personal ambitions. Nor is it gauranteed in your workplace.

As an example, I may not agree with unionizing however, if a union thug shows up at my doorstep, I am bound by law to let them talk to my employees.

I don't agree with that law, and I feel it infringes my rights, but that is the law

What you do with either government owned property or the property of others can and is regulated by the owners of the property. Any school (or other government or private institution) may institute restrictions or controls so as to insure proper use and care of that property.

Now, my opinion as it applies to schools: We have all seen the fallout in the last 8 years of pornographic, violent, inane websites on the mental activity of students. I for one with 2 young children would gladly approve limiting the activities on-line of anyone who is working with or around my children.

Part of my duties as a parent is to provide a safe environment for my children; both at home and in school. The school system should have had these safeguards years ago.

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Ben had it right.

by peter.kelly In reply to In larger interest

You shouldn't sacrifce freedom in search of security, because if you do, you will get neither in the end (to parphrase a great man).

Teach kids how to defend themselves, how to assess risk for themselves and stop telling everyone that a loss of personal freedom (privacy) is reasonable in the face of danger.

A society such as ours (that is a democratic one) has to accept that one of the risks of our way of life is that unscruples people might use our liberties to harm us. I'd rather take that risk than allow the western world to become somekind of nanny state that dictates what kind of books I can read, what journals I look at or what sites I can visit, and ultimately what I'm allowed to think.

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You have it wrong.

by FlappingCrane In reply to Ben had it right.

Sacrifice freedom in search of security? These are children, on school property (and I mean both the grounds and the computers), during a school day. If a 14 year old girl pulled out a pornographic magazine in the middle of class and began reading, would it be "a loss of personal freedom" for the school to not allow her to look at it then? Is it a "nanny state" if the school library does not stock pornographic material? By your argument, it should be there and we'll let kids defend themselves. Yeah, that's how a responsible society works, by telling kids, "Now don't look at this," and then turning them loose. Of course the children, being the completely responsible animals they are, with no curiosity and no desire to disobey because they know their parents and guardians are always right about everything, will not delve into mischief. Why, that's the only reason we have jails in the first place, because we don't allow people to do whatever they want. Oh, if only we had TOLD James it was wrong to shoot people!

That was sarcasm. I was laying it on thick, but I wanted to make sure everyone knows it.

A society such as ours (which is a Republic, not a Democracy) can't make sweeping generalizations about situations and consequences. We do not have the same punishment for capital murder as we do for jaywalking. We are talking about keeping pornographic websites out and monitoring how children spend their time IN THE CLASSROOM. I believe teachers, parents, school administrators, and other students have the full right to know everything that everyone is doing IN A CLASSROOM. This is not the same thing as Men In Black performing midnight raids on our homes in search of propaganda against the Motherland. Don't **** it out of proportion.

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I could not agree more...

by Tech Exec In reply to You have it wrong.

I've read many of the posts in this thread and am thoroughly disappointed in the apparently very confused responses regarding security, privacy, and freedom.

I may be considered conservative, but the suppression of profane and inappropriate material from the eyes of our CHILDREN is not an issue of freedom.

As these kids mature and become ADULTS, they will be entitled to their freedom to view materials to which I may object, but to which I would not limit their viewing.

But we are talking about a CLASSROOM and the management of the materials to which the CHILDREN are exposed. Get over the freedom issue, those that are touting that here. It is not about freedom. It is about responsible education and responsible upbringing.

If we controlled everything that EVERYONE could see, then we would be entering into a very dangerous realm of restriction and sensorship. But if any of you (not you Joe) that it is OKAY to let your CHILDREN watch pornographic films while on school time and equipment, then you are simply sick and need help.

Calm or not, sarcastic or not, conservative or liberal... let's not use "labels" to debate this issue. Let's use common sense.

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I AGREE 100%+

by Lymon1 In reply to I could not agree more...

THINK!!!! The next generation will already have it bad enough from drugs, gangs, etc. What we teach,or allow, our children when they are young, there is a great possibliity that the evil
thay see will stay with them into adulthood. Porno movies can help warp a mind into what it sees; as abuse is ok; depending on the movie; killing is also ok; and I could rant on but won't. As I have said before, IF it helps the security of my country(USA) and it's citizens, which include my family. Let :Big Brother" monitor what I do on the internet, even monitor my phone. A "Black Hacker" is probably monitoring it anyway!! I have nothing to hide from the government, but I wish harsher penalties were placed on "Black Hackers" when they are caught regardless of the nation they are caught. WEll that's that!!

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You make an incorrect assumption

by dbreeden In reply to You have it wrong.

This guy is a tech support so I assume he is an adult and in a college or university of some kind. What you say may apply to minor children, but not adults.
Academia is the crucible of newness. It is a special place that must have special freedoms, especially to explore. Unfettered freedom can be a problem. You want it limited, but what and by who? History shows that no one is qualified and the only ones that want to are control freaks or people that want to exploit.

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Your assumption is also incorrect

by olddognewtricks In reply to You make an incorrect ass ...

That guy was tech support, so I assume he is an adult, who has a job and is paying taxes to support our schools. Which we, through our arcane system, have developed to educate our children so they can assume a place as responsible adults in our - the adults' - society. It is not a "crucible of newness" - what is that? It is a training ground for adulthood (not the main one, though, I hope). It is also not a jobs program for teachers; although we tend to give them a great degree of flexibility in how they impart to our children the education WE deem important they are accountable to us. Pornography, gambling, seducing jailbait are not yet an important part of the education I expect to see imparted to the students in schools I support.

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Not sure you can make that assumption either.

by TonytheTiger In reply to You make an incorrect ass ...

"This guy is a tech support so I assume he is an adult and in a college or university of some kind."

Since he specifically mentions "underage youth" in his post, I would assume a public school.

I live in a rural area and all of the public school districts in this area (7 in the county) have at least minimal IT tech support staff.

"Academia is the crucible of newness. It is a special place that must have special freedoms, especially to explore."

The world is where you explore. School (talking about primary and secondary)is where you learn how. You are there because you are not yet ready for real exploration. It should be a protected environment.

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The problem is he didn't tell us the vital info.

by dbreeden In reply to Not sure you can make tha ...

Really, both replys to my post assumed he is in a high school or lower. I made the assumption he was past high school. I think we are both correct given our assumptions, but really, we don't know. He left out that vital piece of information. There is no way to judge.... Clever bit of ambiguity.
Enjoy, M

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