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Bush accused of censorship.

By Oz_Media ·
"From melting glaciers to warmer oceans, we are close to the point of no return."

"If you've ever been troubled by the grim global-warming scenarios that have been bubbling at the margins of serious public attention all these years, there's good news: you don't have to wait any longer to see whether or not there's really anything to it all."

"The Canadian winter that just ended was the warmest on record. Last year in Greenland, where the summers are now milder than they've been in 100,000 years, glaciers shed an amount of water into arctic seas more than twice the annual flow of th eNile River, tripling the yearly loss of Greenlands glaciers from 10 years ago. There are robins on Baffin island now, and the people of Pangunirtung are seeing thunder for the first time and walruses, on melting ice floes, are starving to death.

If you drive from Vancouver to Williams Lake, you will have the privilege of travelling to the epicentre of a thing no human being has ever witnessed. It's North America's largest insect infestation in the history of North Anerica's great forests. Briotish Columbia's mountain pine beetles, without cold winters to stop them, have devoured their way across a landscape roughly the size of the United Kingdom."

"You will find yourself following the Frqaser River, where millions of salmon are now routinely dying on their homeward migrations in lethally warm water. In 6 of the past 15 years, the waters have surpassed the fatal 18 degree threshhold. Two years ago tributaries such as the Nicola and the Clearwater rivers, summer temperatures were already exceeding 25 degrees."

"Everything is different now, everywhere. Oru winters are now 4 degrees warmer than they were a century ago, and up and down the BC coast, cedars are literally dying of thirst."

Since 1921, the pacific ocean has been warming at a rate of 1 degree a year, which doesn't sound lik emuch but 10 degrees in the other direction separates us from the deep freeze of the ice age.

"18 months ago, Canada surpassed Saudi Arabia to become the primary supplier of fossil fuels to the United States. Around the same time, the administration of President G.W. Bush, himself an oil man, aqdopted a strict policy of censorship to see to it that no federal official, not even James Hanson, head of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, would candidly and honestly explain all those grim global-warming stories."

It had been Hansen's habit to be very clear that the shrinking of Greenland's glaciers and the increased atmospheric loading of carbon dioxide, as well as the growing acidity of the world's oceans, are all part of a story that begins with the burning of fossil fuels. Hasen had begun to warn that without a reduction in "greenhouse gas" emissions, the planet would soon pass a 'tipping point'of sorts, where there will be no turning back. Of course, he was quickly silenced by G.W.Bush.

..."What the Bush administration has been especially adamant in censoring is teh research U.S. federal scientists have been doing in teh area of 'impacts and response strategies'. Mainly the strange events unfolding in British Columbia."

In order to have a real understanding of how the Earth has been effected in real examples, you would need to address the federal agency known as the Canadian Climate Inpacts and Adaptation and Research Network (C-CAIRN), which concentrates on the impacts and response strategies the White House doesn't want to hear about."

And if you were to ask such questions of Robin Sydneysmith, C-Cairn's B.C.coordinator, as I did teh other day, this is the answer you would get: "I'm not supposed to talk about it."

Why would G.W.Bush or the Bush administration censor facts from reaching the mainstream American Public?

Why wouldn't G.W.Bush and his administration attempt to educate Americans and improve on the wasteful burning of fossil fuels?

Why would they not be interested in acting in America's best interests?

Because it is not in their own best interests, so they censor what Americans are allowed to know and that keeps the peace and discounts the global warming threats. They focus on the more radical 'Chicken little's' of the world that make extreme claims, it's easy to discount those guys.

But with the war, and other issues regarding global relations, you were all well informed of course. Methinks American should start turning to international news and reading international papers, your own news is slanted and controlled in so many ways it's not funny.

While on the subject of ranting, Canadians were shown the return of a Canadian soldier killed in Kandahar, where Canada is now engaging in major battle as they work to keep it secure, they showed his wife crying as his casket was marched to the hearse by military personells and we all had a momnent to realize the reality of what is really happening in the Middle East. It's too bad America censors this type of news also and makes you believe it is not appropriate to show citizens what they are going through in the Middle East. The wife of the soldier was interviewed and said she thought it was great that her husband received a hero's welcome when he returned, and was not just part of a quiet stats count.

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Julian is laughing his head off

by jardinier In reply to Is Julian being "disingen ...

because you cannot see what an idiot you are. If you could step outside your mental cocoon for a moment, and read what others are saying to you, you will see that you have become the resident court jester at TR, because most comments directed at you are lampoons.

As for your "recollection" of the discussion between us, it is woefully inaccurate as it omits the most significant comments that I made, and with which you found yourself obliged to agree at the time.

Indeed you WERE finally left with only the headline to criticise.

It does not concern me in the least that the "misquote" was a paraphrase of part of the content of the White House document. Obviously the document is far too long and complex to extract a precise quote that properly expresses the intent of the document.

I would say: "Get a life," but your persistent stupidity has developed a life of its own.

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Well done, Julian

by maxwell edison In reply to Julian is laughing his he ...

Welcome to the gutter!

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Oh, shove your "upon further review" up your "in conclusion".

by Absolutely In reply to More on censoring

Maxwell Edison: "However, upon further review, if Americans are indeed exposed to "this and that", and we do see and/or read about "this and that", the very things you claim are being censored, how is it that it's being "censored"?"

Absolutely: Please explain your thoughts about the phrase "It's only wrong if you get caught." Then, compare and contrast those thoughts to your own question about censorship, which I quoted above, please.

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Why would I want to play your warped game?

by maxwell edison In reply to Oh, shove your "upon furt ...

Absolutely: Please explain your thoughts about the phrase "It's only wrong if you get caught."

Those are your words, not mine. It's up to YOU to explain them, not me.

Get bent.

You really DO have a problem, dude.

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I'm not playing any game, hypocrite.

by Absolutely In reply to Why would I want to play ...

My thoughts about the phrase "It's only wrong if you get caught": this is the belief of a person unable to turn concrete observations into abstractions, because it has no independent cerebral ability. This type of person only responds to punishment, and is unable to feel any pride in acting morally for the sake of doing the right thing.

My only problem, "Maxwell Edison", is and always has been, that I share Earth with so many hypocrites.

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I'm sure

by TonytheTiger In reply to I'm not playing any game, ...

we can get a collection started... to buy you your own planet!

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By the way, for reference to those who may not know

by maxwell edison In reply to Oh, shove your "upon furt ...

Mr. Pompous, jerk-off, know-it-all, known as "Absolutely", in a previous discussion, freely and gleefully admitted that he wished the 9-11 terrorists had succeeded in killing the President of the United States. He's a traitor of the worst kind. He's pond scum. He's the lowest form of life one could possibly imagine. He's a miserable low-life who was, by his own admission, scarred as a child. However, if you want to know what I REALLY think of him, send me an email. The words I would have to use are inappropriate for this forum.

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limited intellect, limited vocabulary

by Absolutely In reply to By the way, for reference ...

Maxwell Edison: "However, if you want to know what I REALLY think of him, send me an email. The words I would have to use are inappropriate for this forum."

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Thou Shalt Not Get Caught

by oneamazingwriter In reply to Oh, shove your "upon furt ...

is the only commandment that some people ever follow, Absolutely. It's the 12 year-old-conscience, and very few get passed it. People are usually only as honest as they have to be to get by among their fellow men. Some of us decide we will pull our own covers and get as honest as we can, but it usually takes some personal crisis for that to come about. Luckily, I have had my share of such things. :) When we pull our own covers there are times that we are ostracized as a result. I have listened for years to people tell me, "You can't say that!" Since I tend to speak of myself and my own life experience, I have often wondered who those people thought would stop me from speaking my truth. So far no one has stopped me.
Self honesty is like an onion. We peel off a layer and say, "This is who I really am," then we notice an edge sticking out and we peel again, and come to the same conclusion. At this point in my life I say, "This is who I am today, check with me tomorrow to see who I am then." But at no time does anyone have any right to say, "You cannot be who you are!" I R who I say I R. :)
P.S. I liked your post.

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